munyon and he said my butt is pleading.d enough that i wasn't going to pull his pants down but i looked. i looked at the upper part of his buttocks. there was strike marks with little beads of blood on it. >> marvin munyon lives in this house, minutes away from calvary baptist. i've talked to him on the phone several times. i requested an on camera interview with him. first he said yes, then he later changed his mind and said no and then maybe. after that he said i need to talk to my lawyer. finally he stopped answering my calls. the pastor who leads the church wasn't in charge when munyon was there but regards him as a friend. >> do you think before you came to this institution that on some occasions there was abuse by the teachers? >> no, i don't. >> pastor robert loggins says munyon acknowledged he carried out corporal punishment but lawfully without marks or bruises. the pastor no longer allows it at the school. instead, he leaves it up to the parents at home. >> if he used a paddle with holes in it to hit children, wou

it will never go away. >> so munyon declined to go on camera with you.phone conversations you had, did he say anything about the ak sayings in. >> what's interesting, he said initially he would go on camera with me and admitted that he spanked students when he was an administrator at the school. when i called him back to set up the exact date, then he was much less interested in talking to me and frnkly, i think it's because he saw some of our coverage. he got very paranoid about this, about this interview while i was talking to him on the phone. at one point he said are you recording this? i said no. i just want your viewpoint. he did not want to talk to me on camera or on the record about the accusations. we gave him lots of opportunities to talk to us. >> gary, appreciate it. thanks very much. up next, will former penn state coach jerry sandusky take a plea deal or not? his lawyer speaks out. herman cain talks about what his wife knew about his connection to an atlanta woman who claims she had a 13-year affair with him. did his wife actually know abou