what politicians like what about politicians like murdo fraser, take murdo fraser, who take a different ? what about people who ministers? what about people who have withdrawn have job offers withdrawn because have a non—crime because they have a non—crime hate incident recorded against them, by way, they them, which, by the way, they might out about by might only find out about by accident ? accident? >> no, it's a really, really concerning situation. and just finally , you mentioned the finally, you mentioned the situation of someone arguing , situation of someone arguing, perhaps with their spouse in their home and someone taking offence at that. but it's worse than that, isn't it? even if both parties to that discussion didn't think that something hateful went on, if a third party to that conversation , if party to that conversation, if someone not involved in that conversation overheard it and thought it was hateful, that can still be reported. >> yes, that's correct. and the scottish police have vowed to investigate every single complaint . and as you'll know, complaint. and as yo

murdo, fraser, who joins us now. , yourself have run into, some of these bizarre non—crime hate incident logs before. why do you think police scotland are not revealing what has happened in this instance ? has happened in this instance? >> well, potentially, i suspect, because it's very embarrassing for them. and just as they don't want to take on a figure as high profile and as wealthy as, jk rowling , in relation to, to rowling, in relation to, to things she's posted on social media, deliberately provocative messages she's put on social media in relation to the gender issue, i think that they're nervous about now confirming that they are complying with their own policy, which was appued their own policy, which was applied in my case in relation to something that i posted back in november that was critical of scottish government gender policies. and find it very policies. and i find it very strange that they are not prepared to confirm publicly that they're applying their own policy . but there's another policy. but

swiftly, i'm joined by conservative msp murdo fraser. welcome to the show murdo. . so always a pleasure. so a spectacular showdown, a collapse of the coalition. earlier on, humza yousaf was asked if this was a sign of weakness. he said quite the opposite. it shows leadership. what's your take? >> well, it's been a humiliating penod >> well, it's been a humiliating period for humza yousaf and of course the reason why he's done this is because the greens were indicating they were about to walk out of the coalition. >> it's like when you're at school and your mate dumps his girlfriend and his girlfriend says , well, i dumped you first. says, well, i dumped you first. >> it's a bit it's a bit like that scenario because humza yousaf knew that the greens were likely to walk out of the coalition. >> that would have been looked terrible for him if he'd lost his junior coalition partner at his junior coalition partner at his at their own instance and therefore he's, basically jumped before they pushed themselves out. now, what that means is that the majority that the snp a

i think you'll be aware that has already happened that that has already happened to the msp murdo frasero supports scottish independence, find it quite distasteful that unfortunately i'm on the same side as murdo fraser, one of scotland's most famous or infamous unionist msps. so there are innumerable difficulties thrown up by this legislation , not the least of legislation, not the least of which is that women simply are not only not protected, women are now hugely concerned about vexatious complaints, such as complaints for simply saying that trans women are in fact male. so a colleague of mine, sally hughes , yesterday went to sally hughes, yesterday went to the police office in perth where she used to work. she's a retired cop and she posed some questions asking for advice and guidance in respect of what sentences were now able to use and which had now become banned. the police officer who dealt with her explained that police scotland are in the course of hiring hate crime advisers. now that's news to us. we don't know from where these hate crime advisers have come in. are they inter

now, i caught up with murdo fraser a little earlier today.has had a brush with this legislation after he posted that he thought that choosing to identify as non—binary is as valid as choosing to identify as a cat . he later discovered, of a cat. he later discovered, of course, that a mark was put down as a non—crime hate crime incident, so i was keen to ask him just how much of an issue this is for free speech and the broader issue here in scotland . broader issue here in scotland. >> there was a whole suite of different policies and legislation that we are seeing, an attempt to close down debate on contentious areas. now, we know that the snp government's attempt to legislate for gender self—id was , is was blocked by self—id was, is was blocked by the uk government, a position that was backed by the scottish courts. but this seems an attempt to reverse that by the back door, by bringing in other pieces of legislation that will have an impact and, for example, on on the proposed bill to outlaw misogyny. the suggestion is that now applies to

a social post from scottish conservative murdo fraser was flagged by a trans rights activist in novembere had been committed, but nevertheless that was recorded as a non—crime hate incident. and our westminster leader neil hanvey, says he too has been targeted under pre—existing legislation. >> i've been the victim of at least one of those complaints and, you know, that's taken up the time of police officers thick skin can be expected over elected officials, but what about the public? >> 74 year old morag mcdougall . >> 74 year old morag mcdougall. brown says she was reported to police by a neighbour and experience has taken its toll. >> i hate to think that anybody like me or similar to my age would ever have to go through this because i really don't think i will ever go over it. it's a danger to scotland. it affects us. it affects our freedom of speech . it's freedom of speech. it's a gagging order. >> in spite of everything, morag is full of praise for the attending officers, for swiftly concluding she was no hate monster. the scottish government now acknowledges the greater issue of

a social post from scottish conservative murdo fraser was flagged by a trans rights activist in novembern committed, but nevertheless that was recorded as a non—crime hate incident. >> an alba westminster leader, neale hanvey, says he too has been targeted under pre—existing legislation. >> i've been the victim of at least one of those complaints . least one of those complaints. it's and, you know, that's taken up the time of police officers. >> thick skin can be expected of an elected officials. but what about the public? 74 year old morag mcdougall? brown says she was reported to police by a neighbour, and the experience has taken its toll. >> i hate to think that anybody vie like me or similar to my age would ever have to go through this because i really don't think i will ever get over it. it's a danger to scotland. it affects us. it affects our freedom of speech . it's freedom of speech. it's a gagging order in spite of everything. >> morag is full of praise for the attending officers for swiftly concluding she was no hate monster. the swiftly concluding she was no hate monster . th

murdo fraser, the tory mp who didn't even know that he'd been the subject of this complaints . him appears on a list and whilst they may say his name isn't there against that complaint, if sufficient people make a complaint about him , there will be this, day to him, there will be this, day to base that the police will have that that will indicate that he's some kind of problem and thatis he's some kind of problem and that is wrong . that to me, that is wrong. that to me, that's definitely wrong. the fear factor is wrong . and, you fear factor is wrong. and, you know, humza yousaf was was partly wedged in there by, by sturgeon. and she came out with a lot of that stuff. i mean, she came out with the i hate everything or i despise everything or i despise everything that all tories stand for. she was talking about a million and a half people in scotland at that time when she said that. so i think we're putting division into the community, and i think that's very wrong. >> maybe, john, i should head you off at the pass before you get yourself in trouble on day one of this new legi