. >> ordinarily, i would not take time out from the important work at hand to answer murrow. hover, in this case, i feel justified in doing so because murrow is a symbol, the leader, and the cleverest of the jackal pack which is always found at the throat of anyone who dares to expose individual communists and traitors. >> before "see it now" exposed the tactics of senator mccarthy, the press had been largely compliant and even inadequate. oh, there was plenty of reporting that he had made his charges, but very little work done to check whether those charges were valid. by the end of the year, mccarthy would be censured by the senate, effectively ending hisime as a political force. to you both, does the press have the strength and the clout to take on government abuse and this kind of demagoguery, really, if it were to happen again? >> i can envision a future in which an ed murrow of the future takes on a demagogue or exposes--"harvest of shame," "hunger in america." but right now, i think where we are, the old order is basically gone. the new order is not yet in place. >> fa