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it's not just vladimir kara-murza, it's alexei navalny. these people. >> you point out this in your article. thank you for being here, thank you for continuing to raise the alarm on the story. ahead of the group -- the author of freezing order, the really important book, it's a true story of russian money laundering, murder, and surviving vladimir putin's wrath. you may know him as commander zulu from the star trek franchise, and maybe one of the million polio twitter followers that i am. did you know george capay is a bestselling author of a graphic novel memoir. you know i'm not breaking it up, if i bring it up, it means someone try to ban this book. that's, right this week's velshi banned book club theater is nothing more than they call this enemy. it's about the imprisonment of what america's accounts for people of japanese descent. had a recent conversation that went beyond the pages of this incredibly moving book. i will have this discussion with you right after this quick break. after this quic break. break. downy will soften your c

obviously kara-murza notably was not on that list. this would have been evan gershkovich and paul whelan. do you think putin wants to make a deal? >> putin took gershkovich as a hostage as basically as a trading chip for after brittney griner was swapped for viktor bout, putin got a taste for the value of hostages. so they took a "wall street journal" reporter that's high-value hostage-taking. so putin wants to do one of these deals. but he wants to humiliate us with one of these deals. he wants to get unreasonable terms for these deals. we've to be careful about all this stuff because the moment you do a deal like what was done with brittney griner, it kind of opens up the flood gates for them to take more hostages. >> once brittney griner went home, was go get evan gershkovich. >> what we don't want to do is give them the sense that every time they want something, they take a hostage. and, so, it's a very delicate game. >> bill, thank you very much, always good to see you. >>> and, next, 10,000 migrants right now waiting on the mexi

we just at freedom house paid special tribute to vladimir kara—murza, who's an incredibly courageousof the war to basically oppose the invasion and speak out. and now he's facing a 25—year prison sentence based on spurious charges of treason. so the case of evan gershkovich is outrageous, but it's being replicated thousands of times around the country. pretty much anybody who is a serious opponent of putin is either injail or has left the country. well, on that point, you yourself are on russia's latest sanctions list. what does that mean for you, and what's your response? well, first of all, the things that i'm facing are much less serious than the people who are actually inside russia. russia faced us sanctions for their activities, and so they kind of... retaliated by throwing the book at a whole group of people, which included me, but also people at the rand corporation, president barack obama. it was really kind of a weird assemblage of people that they put together. i don't think there's any actual practical impact on any of us, except that we can't go to russia any more. all r

vladimir kara—murza, he is in possession of two citizenship. one is russian and one is british.t — it is notjust myjudgment. it is judgment by the court. if you are interested in what is being said in russia about events, what is going on, just turn on the television... but there is no free press in russia. i haven't seen any... in fact, otherjournalists have been imprisoned. i haven't seen any other speaker during — that has been arrested or treated differently after this, during this political or after political shows. what about evan gershkovich from the wall streetjournal? what is it about president putin that rather than confronting his critics, he throws them in jail? oh, no, he was arrested because he was a spy, very easily. and it happens. . .. completely denied by his newspaper, his employer. that can be done, that can be done. but if you will talk to your colleague, journalists who have more experienced, they will tell you that it happens very often. what is the end game for russia here? do you want peace? we want peace, but on certain conditions, of course, for us. tw

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that's vladimir kara—murza.s of russia's full scale invasion of ukraine, the so—called special military operation. normality? hardly. then again, perhaps this is the new normal. there seems to be a big push now in russia to recruit more soldiers to fight in ukraine. you see the recruitment ads everywhere. they're on billboards. they're in shop windows. there's one on the door of the barber shop that i go to. meanwhile, moscow is gearing up for victory day, the national holiday that marks the defeat of nazi germany. and as that day approaches, there's definitely a sense of nervousness here. some russian regions have actually cancelled their military parades, citing security concerns, fearing, ithink, possible ukrainian attacks. the parade in moscow on red square will go ahead as planned, but red square itself has been shut off, closed to the public, since the end of april. that's quite unusual and i think reflects the sense of unease here. when i visited a world war two museum in moscow recently, i was reminded o