please welcome back to the program pervez musharraf. sir. (cheers and applause) nice to see you, sir. thank you for joining us. (applause) have a seat. (cheers and applause) nice to see you again. thank you for joining us again. we appreciate it. >> thank you. nice seeing you. >> jon: the last time we... i prepared some refreshments for us. i prepared tea and a twinkie. (laughter) that was our... we have to take it up a notch because of the deterioration of our two country's relationship. (laughter) power aid and balance bars. (laughter) i don't know if you've ever had this. you can have a... would you care for s'mores? >> i'm okay with that. >> jon: (laughs) you're okay with just this? i don't blame you, sir. that's probably wise. to your health. >> cheers. (laughter) (cheers and applause) >> jon: a taste sensation. last time you were here, i asked you where osama bin laden was. laug(laughter) laugh now, at the time i believe you held a relatively high-level position in pakistan. (laughter) you mentioned that you didn't know. funny story. (

pervez musharraf. we'll be right back with more. (cheers and applause) (cheers and applause). >> jon: that's our show. tomorrow night at 11:00, steve carell will be here. here is your moment of zen. >> i'm hanging around with my captioning sponsored by comedy central ( theme song playing )

and president musharraf was our ally in that effort.e allowed troops access to pakistani military airports and bases as well as lo logistical d other support. it was and remains a turbulent time. the good news was a serious effort at educational and economic reform. things that are now stalled, um, because of more recent developments. the embarrassing news was the discovery in 2005 that the nuclear bomb, aq khan, sold technology to north korea and elsewhere. then there was the protests by the legal community of the validity of the 2007 presidential election. the lek -- declaration of a state of emergency, the horrifying assassination of benazir bhutto and a transition of power. hard as all that was, events since have been even more challenging. the takedown of osama bin laden, something that many of us applaud, has exposed deep conflicts. the pakistani government recently ordered 200 u.s. special forces trainers to leave the country, and that resulted in a suspension by the obama white house of $800 million in u.s. military aid. yesterd

many of whom president president musharraf knows very well.i saw a much beauty in pakistan especially in places like lahore, but i also saw the devastation and swat after the epic floods in the baroness of the tribal areas separating pakistan and afghanistan. general musharraf was a new president on 9/11 and spent the next seven years in that job as our world changed radically. president musharraf a career army officer and veteran of the 1965 and 1971 wars against india called allied pakistan with the united states in what i believe was the misnamed war on terror. surely it was a war against al qaeda and president musharraf was our ally in that effort. he allowed u.s. troops access to pakistani military airports and bases as well as logistical and other support. it was and remains a turbulent time. the good news was a serious effort at educational and economic reform. things that are now stalled because of a more recent development. the recent discovery in 2005 at the pakistan bomb a.q. khan sold technology to korea and elsewhere. then there w

president musharraf's speech comes at a timely moment.elations between our two countries are more strained today than at any time in the last 10 years. each country needs the other for the achievement of important strategic objectives. most of the public discussion of the bilateral relationships focus on art division and disagreements. perhaps today's session will serve to remind us both that we have a commonality in interests in countering terror threat, jump-start a stalled economies, and recovering after calamitous earthquakes and floods. as a member of congress over nine terms, i belonged to the pakistan american caucus and visited over 20 times. i also represented a large and fractured pakistan community in los angeles, many of whom president musharraf knows very well. i saw much beauty in pakistan, especially in places like lahore. i also saw the devastation after the floods and the tribal areas separating pakistan and afghanistan. general musharraf was a new president on 9/11 and spent the next seven years as our world changed radi

pervez musharraf and rick perry, and per -- pervez musharraf tells me that he's convinced rick perryr president. we talked a bit about rick perry, and i think he's going to run for president, too. i haven't met with rick perry. pervez musharraf has, and he thinks he'll run. i've also just taped an interview with janet napolitano. we go in depth on the whole issue of getting ready for the tenth anniversary of 9/11. i'm pretty woifrd about what al qaeda might want to do as far as retaliation, but i press her on what kind of capabilities the al qaeda network, some of the splitter groups might have, home-grown terrorism. i think our viewers will want to see it as well. >>> jon huntsman, the former utah governor, now running for president. there's been a make shake-up in his campaign. his campaign manager is no longer his campaign manager. someone else has come in. susy wiles is gone, matt david is in. susie has served well and was vital in getting it off the ground in such a short time frame now the campaign is moving into phase 2, more aggressive from a tactical standpoint, and matt is

orders, part of the command structure and they do what the chief of the army staff ie president musharrafintelligence organization, it's actually a policy, a strategy of the-- . >> jon: what is the advantage of that. when you say export extremist into afghanistan what is their strategic advantage because it doesn't seem like something that is easily controllable and it gets it that area invaded. >> actually, actually there's-- there's two areas of advantage. one the domestic in pakistan. the military is able to keep control of the pakistani state and keep the secular democratic parties out of power. the second is to keep a large military budget. the military since they took over has gobbled up over 50% of the military of the total budget. that meant education and everything else has gone downhill. and finally there is-- . >> jon: sorry, you said two. you said two. >> oh, sorry. >> jon: you can't-- no, two. >> i'm from the state department. >> jon: what is the third. >> i'm from the state department. >> jon: all right. >> the third one is actually it's four-- (laughter) >> jon: you can giv

. >>> you isle ask the former pakistani president musharraf in he knew osama bin laden was hiding in his homeland and if he knows terrorists may be holed up in pakistan right now. i'm wolf blitzer, you're in "the situation room." first, a powerful reminder today, if they don't reach an agreement in the next 11 days, all hell could brea look. standard & poor's is warning the nation could be shoved back into recession very soon after the august 2i deadline passes with the clock ticking and stakes rising, our own jessica yellin learned that leaders plan to meet this hour at the white house. we're learning a good deal more about where the talks stand. kate bolduan has the latest. what do you know? >> both sides, all sides are cautioning and stressing that there is no deal. we are learning that president obama and house speaker john boehner are making a fresh drive to strive for one maybe last effort on this some of the ideas could include $3 trillion in debt reduction. that could include spending cuts of possibly a trillion or more, entitlement reform that could possibly include changing

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got, did a quick kind of shotgun marriage with the unelected regime of general musharraf. neither the government of pakistan, nor the american leadership at that time considered it necessary to try and create any public support for sort of changing the environment for greater american presence, etc. and then things like, for example, the ray davis incident where this gentleman decided to play james bond in real life and kill two people in broad daylight in a pakistani city didn't help. i mean, the argument about do you expect the illiterate population in our villages and in our small towns to understand arguments about diplomatic immunity? the way they saw it, it was an ugly american who shot two pakistanis without provocation or reason. and then getting away with it. and so, and so those are the things that also have to be taken into account. t not just always our -- it's not just always our fault. there's enough blame to go around. >> i am going to give you a compliment now which is i think that the best ambassadors in washington recognize the amount of attention that th

did a quick shotgun marriage under the regime of general musharraf. neither the government of pakistan considered it necessary to try to create any public support for a change change the environment of the crater american environment. then where this gentlemen decided in real life and killed two people and broad daylight -- daylight in the pakistani city did not how. the argument to respect the illiterate population in our villages to understand arguments about diplomatic community? it was ultimately an american who shot to pakistan as without provocation or reason. been getting away with it. so those are the things to take into account. there is enough blame to go around. >> i will give you a complement now that i think the best of washington recognizes the amount of attention they have to devote to congress. you have to spend a lot of time with them sometimes even more with sandoz and the administration that is one of the things that you have done and one of the things you spend the most time on. what is your sense what is the feeling and congress n

got -- did a quick kind of shotgun marriage with the unelected regime of general musharraf.either the government of pakistan or the american leadership at that time considered it necessary to try and create any public support for sort of changing the empire meant for a greater american presence etc.. and then, things like for example the incident where this gentleman decided to play jason bourne in real life and killed two people in broad daylight in a pakistani city didn't help. i mean the argument about do you expect the illiterate population in our villages and in our small towns to understand arguments about diplomatic immunity? it was an ugly american is shot to pakistanis without any provocation or reason, and then getting away with it. and so, those are the things that also have to be taken into account. it is not just always our fault. there is enough blame to go around. >> i am going to give you a compliment now, which is that i think the best ambassadors in washington recognize the amount of attention they have to devote to congress. you have to know a lot of peopl

after 9/11, the americans did a shotgun wedding relationship with musharraf. there was no attempt to create public support for changing the environment for a greater american presence. and then things like to be re like ray davis who tried to play a real life jason bourne erupted. it was they've sought, an ugly american who shot two pakistanis without any provocation or reason and getting away with it. those are the things that also have to be taken into account. it is not always their fault. there's enough blame to go around. >> i will give you a compliment now. i think the best ambassadors in washington recognize the amount of attention that they actually have to devote to congress. you have to know a lot of people. you have to spend a lot of time with them. sometimes even more time than you spend with people in the administration. i think that is one of the things that you have done and one of the things that you spend more time on. what is your sense of what the feeling is in congress now? are you worried that there will be a real push to cut off -- to som