and if you look in details at senate watergate committee did, what the nixon operatives did to muskie, they really drove him from the race, or certainly helped, and got the nominee they wanted, george mcgovern, who was much more to the left, and it was a big political victory that worked, and if you think of watergate as a burglar or just a coverup of it, it masks the dimensions, because the dimensions were to do these things to candidates that were really pretty ugly. you take one candidate's stationery and.are put it out accusing another candidate of vial sexual improprieties and so forth -- >> guest: again, don't think that was directed from the white house to do that. but -- let's not debate that. look at my opening statement in my senate testimony where i said exactly this: this was a mindset. this was a predisposition to do it yourself white house, to gather intelligence, political intelligence, by whatever means they thought they might be able to do it. and this was the mindset that came right from the top of the white house. you know, when presidents wear hats, all their staff

and haldeman takes that and tells gordon to tell lady to changes intelligence operation for muskie to mcgovern. so it had been arrested that night in mcgovern headquarters, we have the order in a sense can write from the oval office. but i don't think the plant, and when you look in the context of some of the other conversations, message limit electronic surveillance. >> host: but lady would take anything and run with it. what is nixon's legacy now transferred one of the things i think people might look at as a result of the way i was able to get in and dig out some of this stuff is the fact his decision-making is pretty shoddy stuff. and how broad and a wide was this really perilous and information week decision. >> host: but this isn't going to change the view of people had of him or history might have of him. >> guest: well, it could explain that maybe somebody like this and you or ehrlichman are much more important to his decisions safe from everything from epa to china than nixon was. they drove the decisions. you can see, that man suffers making decisions, important decisions. >

when i worked for senator ed musky, senator brock and musky were allies on every piece of legislation and the committee chairman had a rule we would not do major piece of legislation without a member of the other party being the principle co-sponsor. you can do it. what happened -- bob is right about the social media and cable news. those are disasters for good sensible public debate. but you also need leadership and you need leadership -- who are the great giants of the senate. i don't see any. you need presidential leadership and we had it twice. one was ronald reagan, i disagreed and the other was bill clinton. they both came to the whitehouse i might add with an agenda that they fought for that challenged their own parties and made their own parties better. >> i will use my discretion to say we have three questions and to the panel we will have to give brief responses because i got the word we are not good listeners. >> governor erlich, the social democracy of europe by many metrics are providing a better quality of life for people than the united states. >> not the freedom metric

the senate watergate committee found donald segretti ran 22 people that were all spies in the muskie campaign. they were sending out funny literature. >> guest: but let me tell you something, that was coming back to the white house. >> host: but that was an operation that was set up by in part the president -- >> guest: we can probably debate this for a full hour and more and you and i have agreed to disagree on this point because you know i get your point. >> host: i get your point but what i think and i think this is important and i think it's validated by your book is there's a mindset. if we can achieve our means, our political means and have a public relations victory go to it. there is no barrier and if you look in detail as the senate watergate committee did, what the nixon operatives did to muskie, they really drove him from the race were certainly helped and got the nominee they wanted, george mcgovern who is much more to the left and it was a big political victory that worked. if you look -- if you think of watergate as a burglary or just a cover-up of it masks the dimensio

the president says didn't muskie do anything bad on there? unintelligible. he asked it to be done and i assume it was lake. they are both bad. but the taps were too. they never -- >> time of the gentleman has expired. all time has expired and the question now occurs on the wiggins amendment to strike paragraph 3. all those in favor of the motion to strike please signify by saying aye. all those opposed. the nos appear to have it. nos have it. the amendment is not agreed to. i recognize the gentleman from texas, mr. brooks. >> thank you, mr. chairman. mr. chairman, in this debate we have neglected a most vital part of this article being section 1. i think it is very pertinent to this entire activity. it is a primary area of abuse that has subjected the american people to spying. in the interest of debate, in that all of those members who have an interest in presenting the facts on this matter, section 1 and those who are opposed to it, i have an amendment at the desk to strike section 1. would so move. >> the clerk will read the amendment. >> amendment by mr.

friends from annapolis led republican senator in the '70s from tennessee when i worked for senator muskie they were allies won every major piece of legislation in the committee chairmen had a rule that we would not to a major piece of legislation without a member of the other party being a principal co-sponsor. you can do it. he is right about social mediate and cable news. they are a disaster for good sensible debate but you need leadership. the or the great giants of the senate today? and i don't see any and any frankly presidential leadership. with at it twice in my lifetime. one was ronald reagan the there was bill clinton and both times you had successful presidencies and they both came to the white house with the agenda of the they fought for and changed their own parties to make the country better. >> i will use my moderator discretion we will ask those three questions then give very brief response is. >> we are not good listeners >> governor, the social democracies of europe by many metrics providing better quality of life for their people than the united states. >> not on the fre

>> were you concerned about musky? >> he was ahead of us in the polls. i knew him well, because he was a new england senator when i was the -- he came right at the end of -- i think he came in the 1950s, as a matter of fact, but i stayed on with salten with the secretary of the new england senator's office. i got to new muskey quite well, and his people. i really liked him and had a lot of respect for him. and believe ed he would be a ve formidable opponent. i was concerned he could beat us. and i looked at the demographics, looked at the breakdown, nixon's polls, standings, the issues we were dealing with, and he -- his being the candidate was my worst nightmare. mcgovern was my fondest hope, but i never thought it possible. >> would this explain why the committee to reelect in the white house sponsored the dirty tricks and the other activities, which members later espoused? >> oh, i think so. it was not until after the democratic convention that any of us felt we could relax. the infamous memo i sent to my staff after the republican convention, i was d

i walked in the room with a very famous man, good democrat, senator musky. he got a pretty good hand, i'm sure no one in the audience knew me, but what applause there was, i say they did it because of him. and then behind senator musky, by about three or four minutes walked in daniel ellsbury. one of the panelists on our program, and believe it or not, the stadium shook. and i wondered why. why did that happen? here is a man who confiscated secret documents and against the law of the nation, he dispersed these documents. i thought this was wrong. and i couldn't understand why this fella came in there like a hero, but he is. this is a strange thing happening in this country. and now as a result of that, a mistrial was declared in that case, and a man who was as surely guilty as guilty can be was never declared guilty, never penalized, and instead, we now talked about impeaching the president of the united states. i think that our thinking is a little fuzzy here. and maybe we ought to sit down and look over that once again and make sure we're doing the right t

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>> were you concerned about musky? >> he was ahead of us in the polls. i knew him well, because he was a new england senator when i was the -- he came right at the end of -- i think he came in the 1950s, as a matter of fact, but i stayed on with salten with the secretary of the new england senator's office. i got to new muskey quite well, and his people. i really liked him and had a lot of respect for him. and believe ed he would be a ve formidable opponent. i was concerned he could beat us. and i looked at the demographics, looked at the breakdown, nixon's polls, standings, the issues we were dealing with, and he -- his being the candidate was my worst nightmare. mcgovern was my fondest hope, but i never thought it possible. >> would this explain why the committee to reelect in the white house sponsored the dirty tricks and the other activities, which members later espoused? >> oh, i think so. it was not until after the democratic convention that any of us felt we could relax. the infamous memo i sent to my staff after the republican convention, i was d

>> were you concerned about musky? >> he was ahead of us in the polls. i knew him well, because he was a new england senator when i was the -- he came right at the end of -- i think he came in the 1950s, as a matter of fact, but i stayed on with salten with the secretary of the new england senator's office. i got to new muskey quite well, and his people. i really liked him and had a lot of respect for him. and believe ed he would be a ve formidable opponent. i was concerned he could beat us. and i looked at the demographics, looked at the breakdown, nixon's polls, standings, the issues we were dealing with, and he -- his being the candidate was my worst nightmare. mcgovern was my fondest hope, but i never thought it possible. >> would this explain why the committee to reelect in the white house sponsored the dirty tricks and the other activities, which members later espoused? >> oh, i think so. it was not until after the democratic convention that any of us felt we could relax. the infamous memo i sent to my staff after the republican convention, i was d

the president says, incidentally, didn't muskie do anything bad on there? i know that. i know that he asked it he'd done. they are both bad. this is the president talking. the taps were, too. >> all time has expired. the question now occurs. all those in favor of the motion to strike paragraph 3 signify by saying aye -- please signify by saying aye. the amendment is not agreed to. i recognize the gentleman from texas, mr. brooks. >> mr. chairman, in this debate we have neglected the most vital part of this article. i think it is pertinent to this activity. i think it is a primary abuse. in the interest of debate, all those who have the facts and those opposed to it, i have an amendment at the desk to strike section one. so move. >> the clerk will read the amendment. >> the amendment by mr. brooks. >> the gentleman is recognized. the gentleman recognizes there are 20 minutes in support and 20 minutes against. >> i would like to ask the time be subtracted from the time of the opponents so they would not suffer any way and would have a full 20 minutes to utilize, which i w