but i remember when muskie said.d to go when they want to you stay rather than wait million they want you to leave. charlie: two presidents i want to ask you about and then a conversation about the iran nuclear negotiations. ronald reagan, he's held in pretty high esteem in this country. george: democrats sort of made fun of him -- well, all he can do is read a speech on television but the ability to communicate through television is an act of leadership just as a thousand years ago riding a horse and wielding a sword was an attribute beauty of leadership. we'd laugh now if a man ran for mountain and could riled a good horse and wield a sword. but not willing able to communicate means a lack of one of the things that's important in society. charlie: he had good leadership qualities, therefore -- george: he also conveyed conviction, in part because he wasn't nor nuanced. it was all black and white in his view of things and that helped him convey strong convictions and he did have strong convictions and that conveyed i

. >> rose: was ed muskie kind of a father to you. >> very much.o he was a great man, the greatest environmental legislator in american history. >> rose: clean air, clean water. >> the fundamental environmental laws to this day he wrote with help from many others and he would have been a great president but didn't make it. he was a powerful influence on me. my political values, my understanding of the concept of public office and of course the office i held had been his. >> rose: when he became secretary of state the seat was open and you won. >> that's right. >> rose: you came from being district court judge? >> yes, i was a united states district court judge for a year so i can brag i was never reverse bid an appeals court. (laughter) >> rose: he was a great admirer and a sponsor of your career. >> yes, we were very close. i worked for him. in my early years i traveled with him all around maine. i was sort of the chauffeur, the clerk, the gopher, the note taker, assistant all rolled in one. it was a small world. >> rose: it was a great education.

elzburg who had released the pentagon papers, spying on teddy kennedy's support, spying on senator ed musky, putting spies in the enemy's camp, stealing people's papers. >> nixon was a genius as a politiciannd long before ronald reagan created the modern republican party nixon created the republican party by appeal to go to disaffected. >> funding for charlie rose is funded by american express. additional funding provided by ... >> and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and information services worldwide. captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. >> rose: tim weiner is here, dpormer chief economist and head of asset management at goldman sachs. he has not slowed down since retiring from wall street in 2013. last year he was asked to lead a review open how to combat drug resist apt super bugs. had he was appointed to the treasury by george osborne tasked with boosting economy in northern england. welcome back. >> thank you. first goldman sachs and leaving goldman sachs why was that the right time? >> i don't know if it was b

muskie in.ern won the nomination. so we have had challengers -- ted kennedy tried against jimmy carter and failed. jesse jackson trialed against michael dukakis in 1988 and failed. some of these challenges have failed but also moved the party to the left and made it easier for the republicans in the general election. >> normally you have professor a part that fights for its soul at a convention or shortly before or after the convention, doesn't have enough time to get its collective act together. or that it moves to star to the live it's over. argue the republicans did the same thing with barry goldwater. do you think that's a real risk now? >> i think it's definitely possible because we haven't seen a serious challenge yet to hillary clinton. when the challenge comes sanders and also o'malley have not mounted the top of challenge against hillary that has attacked her in a way the republicans will attack her. i think should that come we will see her votes splinter very much. >> let's see what ha

muskie's heart is broken. "it is going to archives for last year's my heart is it just beating. colemanite i beating" she thought >> reporter: and kids' club in 1999 and largest funded and contra costa and now preparing to close the stores in an article this teachers and students to bomb. hard"this day of my entire time of teaching is telling these parents will have a place for your children you going to have put" >> reporter: from the audit and this month than city of any act or the school board offered any alternative thereto last shots for kids club could go this friday's the deadline that the tight timeline the hundred kids in an echo helpless to go more than 40 teachers will be out of a job. "staff of the families everybody is going to lose" >> reporter: now kids club does have the funding resources necessary to continue operating the problem as it simply doesn't have a place to do so. >> pam: kron 4 has been following the story for months demanding answers for the families affected by the school closure of the like to know more you can watch all our reports on the preschoo

spying on senator at muskie. putting spies in the enemy camp. stealing people's papers.nd when j edgar hoover said i'm , not going to do this anymore which he did in 1970. he said no more black bag jobs. that is when next and set up the crew that he called the plumbers. bud crowe, gordon liddy, hunt, ex-cia and ex-fbi guys. the plumbers were there to stop the leaks. links torment every president but none more than nixon. charlie: it seemed that he was a man who felt aggrieved meant and he felt like those people had an advantage. the kennedys had something. at every stage, he said, they did it to me. i will do it to them. what the system had done to him he felt almost justification to , do what he wanted to do. evan: that's true. he did have a grievance. bobby kennedy audited nixon three times. next and was not the first person to abuse the irs. he abuse the irs a lot but he , wasn't the first. you're right nixon had this view of the kennedys that they were better at dirty tricks than he was. he kept saying, why can't we do it as well as they do it? he exaggerated how goo

when ed musky lost the '72 primary because he looked like he teared up defending his wife everyone said candidates can't cry because that's weak. but then in 2008 hillary clinton cried. >> you know i have so many opportunities from this country. >> she began to tear up she got -- and her voice cracked a little bit, she was emotional. >> i just don't want to see us fall backwards. >> she showed being human. >> you know this is very personal for me. >> pundits bounced. >> people perceived that as weakness. >> yeah. >> i think they will and i think they should. >> it makes her look like her campaign is in interest you believe. >> butt pundits were wrong. the day before polls showed clinton ten points behind the next day she beat obama in the new hampshire primary. >> the kind of come back that new hampshire has just given me. >> she tears up and that moves 11 points in one day. >> she showed real authenticity and i think voters very much were attracted to that. >> authenticity is rare in politics and in presidential campaigns, the consultants strive to control everything. >> this is all th

. >> i'm here in new hampshire, a place you know very well from your days for working with ed muskienumber of presidential campaigns. in this campaign hillary clinton gave a launch speech barely mentioning for written policy. it doesn't seem to be on the radar of the candidates or the voters. how do you get people to care about these crises when the american public seems to want to just focus on the economy? >> well, i do think that we are at a period when the american public is tired from a war of choice in iraq that was a problem, and the results of what's happened in afghanistan. there is the necessity of focusing on domestic issues. but ultimately i do think that there has to be a national security international component to any campaign. and i know that those subjects will be out there because the united states i believe, needs to be engaged internationally but not necessarily -- i think we need partners which is why, in fact, this report is so important because it does talk about action with others to reform the system to deal with the threats that are out there that are not ju