the muslim experience in the west can be quite different from the muslim experience in muslim majority countries, the way muslim youth in the west approach events are issues that are problems are different. even our clerics are very different. sitting here listening to you, i have trouble relating to the things you were saying. as someone who's local imam is an advocate for gender inequality and joining hands with the lgbt community i was struggling with things you were saying so your book "letters to a young muslim," exactly which muslim doesn't address, even within muslim majority countries and in indonesia, would be different from muslims in pakistan or somewhere else, who was this targeting really? >> letters to my older son. my younger son will not find everything relevant to him. it is a set of questions. for example, the question is sexuality. it is impossible to open that question, impossible to open up to those ideas. if you came to the arab world and said gay rights they would be horrified and laugh at you. even though everybody knows sexuality is very diverse in the arab wor

and born muslim. let's hear from eric next from fairfield, california, and democrat. >> caller: good morning. david, i wanted to real briefly say that we are not talking about the terrorist attacks that have taken place against -- the killings of the police officers are involved have been caucasian, and we don't hear about that. but i just really wanted to say that -- i have to go, sorry. >> moving on. tim. tim, independent caller. >> caller: thank you. and good morning and thank you for taking my call, and give me time like you gave the other callers, but first a question for the gentleelman, and i want to know how much does it cost to vet all of the people, and who is paying for it? is the other people paying for it, and are the american taxpayers paying for it? if we are, i want to know how much money it is and it must be a big, big amount. [ loud beep ] >> i am going the move on there. and sorry about that in your ear. david shanzer, were you able to pick up what the caller was saying? >> yes. we

born muslim. 20% converting. this chart next to it, muslim americans associated file extremism since 9/11. converted, 24 of them were born muslim. hear now from california. a democrat. caller: good morning. say we are not talking about terrorist attacks in the united states, the happening areare the caucasian police officers. we do not hear a lot about that. -- i wanted to say that have to go sorry. from southl now carolina. thank you for taking my call. question, i want to know how much is a cost to vet all these people? tax dollars orur ?he on their countries host: sorry about that. did you hear with the caller said? vetting, mosthe of it. it would be through our state department, the people applied the united states. they have to fill out an application and pay a fee to obtain a visa. some of the cost is recovered. around the countries world they would have to come to our consulate as embassy for a personal interview. they would provide a lot of information, that information would then be reviewed i our counci

it's on a muslim ban.t has nothing to do with religion. >> martha: let's get back to our panel to discuss this. you just heard all of those quotes. yes, sir? >> the fact is, we have eight years of the obama administration who is pretending that there was zero problems with regard to islamic terrorism, problems in the middle east and completely turned a blind eye to it. people may have issues with the nuances regarding president trump's new immigration policy, but at least he's actually trying to do something and he's addressing a real problem. it's a serious problem. >> i totally disagree with my neighbor over here. you've got to understand one thing. first of all, president obama never turned a blind eye. yemen came in. >> he never gave a critical look either. >> he tried to do whatever he could do. your labeling it. not only are you labeling this, but you're also saying the questions are allowed. these are refugees. their countries have been bombe bombed. thank god our country has not been bombed. these

muslims with radical islam. that is problematic, isn't it? >> i think some of the verbiage has been problematic. i think there has just been a lack of accuracy or nuance with muslimsamists in general. i think we have to be careful not only saying what we are against, which is saying we are against radical islam, but saying what we are for, liberty and freedom. back against the mainstream dogma that somehow the right is anti-muslim. i have never felt at any moment that there is any bigotry or significant pushback against being muslim and a conservative. think it ison't unusual for people in the administration or conservative pitch to really sort of islam or muslims as a force to be fought with, almost as if we are at war. would be careful of painting their lack of new ones, and separating islam is a, which -- islamism, the muslim s inherhood to the wahhabi saudi arabia. i look at it internally as a muslim that i need to do a better job in explaining that we islamists. we are in america where we separate church an

the name of a muslim ban or not.ria and iran, there are non—muslims who are nationals, so clearly it is notjust targeting muslims and the most populous muslim countries are not targeted, but the reason we are calling it a muslim ban is that is what trump promised. he said, we will have a shutdown on muslims entering the us. the gulf has strategic reasons for being excited about donald trump because of iran and because of the reality that iran felt much more emboldened during the obama regime. i think there are two issues at stake — the strategic interest, strategic interests for the us is to have iraq stable and strong, and this particular ban on iraqis who see themselves as really having a wedded destiny with the us and making sure they can defeat is in iraq are banned. this includes army generals fighting on the front line against is who have their families in the us because they transferred them there for safety. that makes no sense. and then, for the gulf, it doesn't affect them, so they are ok. you turn on the m

that was caused by a muslim american with the ideology of cockeyed up. homicides over 15 years it is hardly a carnage asgu president trump said in his inaugural address. >> we don't track that specifically and use that with the anti-government extremism that really they are comparable with thee perpetrators and the amount of violence that has spent caused. so which is in is bigger or worse one is about anti-government racism and what we are familiar with the witches inspired by both deserved a lot of attention with a top public safety threat to. >> is that because of the of betting that is done with refugees and immigrants before they come to the united states? >> if you look at the source of the upper traders really those who were born here or integrated as a young age. eithe or those successful the engaged in violence or has been noted there have not ban any homicides by individuals from those countries. and those who emigrated here from russia that is not on the travel ban list who emigrated here with their parents so it is what happened while in the

or that it harms every muslim. we just have to prove it was motivated in part to harm muslims. >> how do you do that when the vast majority of muslims are not effected. >> there are statements we quoted in our complaint that are shocking evidence of intent to discriminate against muslims. liz: we are talking about 7 countries out of 50 countries dominated by people of the faith. there is no question about the greatness of this faith. it's about jihadis. you have been in the middle east. to these seven muslim countries, isis is running the show in many parts of these countries. do they alowter religions in? isn't this why they are muslim dominated? people are disinterpreting it as if this is a muslim ban. >> it's not just the fact that it's a minority of the number of muslim states. but the largest population muslim state whether it's egypt or pakistan or india or saudi arabia, they are 23409 even named. this is nonsense to say this is specifically targeted to muslims. it's targeted to places where islamic terrorism

and hate muslims.te wars that part the world. he is unifying the shia and the sunni against the united states. there was against the united states. there was a division beforehand. terrorism used to be a sunni trademark. he is actually now seeing iran as a terrorist state. for the first time he managed to unify the muslim terrorists, the shia and the sunni terrorists, the shia and the sunni terrorists, to mobilise against the united states. i won't tell you what i think of trump, iwill i won't tell you what i think of trump, i will tell you what africans think of trump. ugandans, for example. he seems to have some african blood, people have said to me. i don't mean the cultures of africa, that club of dictators in africa. there has been recently, facebook, and video that went viral. trump here, video mean here. the chirac media meme. the way he used to speak, i am the greatest man on the earth. this and that. i am very good. there was actually an american satirical programme, they did that come harriso

does having a muslim name damage your chances in thejob market?nds, they have a link between islam and terrorism. maybe that's playing a role behind why they look at a muslim name and think that this is somebody i don't want to employ. how the brexit vote is making it tougher to find the european nurses the nhs needs. the nhs is already gravely understaffed. so if you take away the eu nurses, it will be mayhem. it will be chaos. and the american crayfish invading the capital's waterways. it was recognised that these american crayfish, that they thought were immune to the crayfish plague, carried it. and that will kill any non—american crayfish within two to three weeks. president trump's travel orders against seven muslim majority countries have put religious discrimination right at the top of the news agenda. now discrimination can come in many forms, both blatant and subtle. and inside out has been investigating whether an under representation of british muslims in top professional roles is as a result of discrimination in the jobs market. we've

the muslim ban creates more chaos, more confusion among american citizens. the trump administration tried to convince us that the muslim ban didn't create chaos. all you had to do was to go to los angeles, newark, atlanta, any international airport, you saw the chaos. so the notion is that they can tell us one thing but we see the implications for ourselves. the i.c.e. situation. we have 1,500 vacancies right now in i.c.e. that can't be filled. this so-called muslim ban creates 10,000 additional slots and that's supposed to help protect us from the southern border. well, the wall. we believe the wall is a problem. it is not properly vetted. people in that area have serious problems with it. and i tell you right now, we could use $20 billion in this country creating infrastructure and jobs in america rather than sealing ourselves off from our neighbors to the south. -- notion e nation that what the president is doing is to protect us is the complete opposite of what's happening. now this notion of former national security advisor flynn. look, when you practic

this is not a muslim ban. as i said, if this was about keeping muslims out of this country, this temporary ban would have been permanent and it would apply to every single of the 51 muslim majority countries of the world. that's not the case. >> wajad does she have a point? indonesia, the largest muslim population of any country in the world, that's not included. >> i will give you three quick reasons why it's a muslim ban. rudy giuliani just earlier this week admitted that donald trump came to him and said i want to do a muslim ban. show me the legal way to do it. this is after the muslim ban. number two, seven muslim majority countries, number one are on the ban. number two, he said no refugees. we'll make an exception for syrian refugees, only the christian refugees. and number three -- >> that's not exactly his wording, wajahad. he said he would give christian persecuted minorities priority. >> what we know from his base it's going to be for christians. number three, steve bannon openly and thank god peopl

it also comes to muslim faith. guest: this is the kind of rhetoric that has an for traded our society. it is very unfortunate. the muslim americans that i have interacted with and done research with and everything i've learned about the religion, qaeda who believes those things. the vast amount of muslim asricans reject that just danny did. that is not what they believe their religion dictates. sharia law is islamic holy law. it is not about cutting people's hands off. there are millions of muslim americans here who feel no conflict between their religious duties over there patriotic duties or americans or things like freedom of speech or tolerance for others whether it be religious or sexual orientation or gender based. they are living here as very successful integrated american citizens. host: what percentage of americans are muslim american? it's hard to say because the census does not ask for it most put estimates between one or 2%. host: of that, the muslim american population, about 59% immigrants, about 20%

what with the muslim brotherhood in particular produce greater suspicion of american muslims and thathousands of other things that already do? >> it is an excellent question. it relates to a series of documents or allegations, when a particular, that go back to 1991 that have been discredited with respect to allegations of connections between the muslim brotherhood and u.s.-muslim organizations. at a time when there was nothing wrong with any of this, right? when you look at the facts, there is nothing there. but that does not stop these extreme conspiracy theories. they have addressed these theories for a while now, during the bush demonstration and the obama administration, and both administrations rejected these approaches based on bigotry and guilt by association again. i think there is real concern is administration dust on amy: on the issue of the judges to liberating on the muslim ban and trump going on this rant against the judges, once again, calling the former judge that ruled originally a so-called judge and now talking about these deliberations as disgraceful. >> what is t

is this a muslim ban to you? >> describing it as muslim ban is not accurate.dent enacted a common sense step to impose a four month pause on refugee admissions from countries that are warn-torn with high concentrations of terrorists and al qaeda and isis. director comey told the president he couldn't vet those refugees. decision to pause the admission is common sense step that majority of the american people agree with and reflects administration wanting to keep safe. >> do you think could have been rolled out better? high ranking republicans that support it but say could have been rolled out better. >> always a multitude of people in washington who want to throw rocks. i'm grateful we have president who has as top priority keeping this country safe. >> let's talk about obamacare. are you aware of a white house plan to replace obamacare? >> i think the discussions are ongoing. what i believe is going so happen, is congress follow through on the commitment we made to the american people and commitment that president trump made to repeal obamacare. it's not work

muslims, if it were christians, you would have donald trump talking about it. i really wish the media would cover it because our lives matter and it's important for us as well we're in a dark time right now. >> stelter were you nodding? >> there was some coverage, but i think you're on to something saying if the roles had been reversed if some tragic way it would get more attention. quebec was not on the president's list, there were some miss spellispellinmissspel are extremists from very different directions from white extremists and muslim extremists, but the numbers are very small killed by terrorists of any kind but there is a greater threat from muslim extremists than christian extremists so i do take quibble with that part. >> is i wonder why the white house is putting out this list. what are they trying to do, trying to put something out there so we really talk about it and put it into the bloodstream as we are now, matt? what do you think? >> yeah, the topic right now is this so-called muslim ban so this is the administration trying to buttress the case

and they believe this man actually is coming to attack muslims and hate muslims and to create walls, now he is unifying the shias and sunnies against the us. there was a division beforehand. terrorism used to be a sunni thing. now he is saying it is all of them. he unified them. you want is to mobilise all them. you want is to mobilise all the muslim world against the united states. is this a wise policy?” will tell you what i think of donald trump andl will tell you what i think of donald trump and i will tell you what africans think of him and ugandian is, for example. i have had many say he has south african blood. i don't mean the normal africa, the cultures of africa, i mean that club in africa. there has been recently ate, you know, a feast look sort of video that went viral. —— a facebook video that went viral. —— a facebook video that went viral of idi amin saying he is the greatest. somewhere there was an american programme where they actually did that comparison between donald trump and idi amin and mugabe. it was so interesting for me when i saw the types of comparisons. t

not a muslim ban?but people say you're the aclu, of course you're going against trump but the judges ruled the same thing. i would love to know this, saturday comes, friday night the ban happens -- >> and we never expected this stuff to happen the next day. we saw the executive order, compared it, thought they'd implement it at some point. we thought anyone with a visa, work authorization or green card would have been allowed into the country, they have been after all. saturday morning, i'm finally getting around to taking down my christmas tree, watching the news and my phone starts going crazy. people are being turned away at airports. i'm, like, oh, no, how is this happening? we rush people to the airports. we are in touch with other organizations helping us identify refugees. they're turning people away who had been given visas to enter this country, and, so, then it's all hands on deck. then we send out lawyers to the airports at j.f.k. and s.f.o., l.a.x., o'hare. >> trevor: when we hear the stori

because you are protecting all americans, muslims included, from muslim extremist attacks. that is a good thing. and that is compassionate.. >> there is no doubt that muslims share with all americans, our security first. the thing you have to take into consideration, one of the things that white america is so beloved to many, that's why many come here, because of the values that we uphold. and we are proud of. it is about compassion, it is about business embracing everyone else. embracing immigrants. but having banning certain people on the basis of certain things might be considered illegal, it might be considered unconstitutional. >> jesse: they're banned because they're from terrorist nations. >> not necessarily. >> jesse: it's not a muslim ban. >> why saudi arabia isn't banned? most of those in the september 11 attack are from saudi arabia. why are they not included? >> jesse: i think they have a better relationship and betternc vetting process.ha >> there must be some -- >> jesse: so it's not a muslim ban, there you go.e you just made my point. >> i have to mention our

according toa muslims with good reason.ng to a report, muslims are three times more likely to be unemployed than anyone else. soldiers are based on your race. . . anyone else. soldiers are based on your race... is coach works with many muslim job—seekers. she claims some officers have admitted to routinely rejecting applicants with muslim horse or in sounding names. they have said to me the record that when organisations do contact them, they have said don't send as any foreign names. when i have questioned them, are you colluding with them in not sending them, the recruitment consultants have said, well, we need the business, and what is the point of sending them cds and applications when the ad is going to be returned. armies of applicants at a disadvantage? racv is more likely to be rejected ? a disadvantage? racv is more likely to be rejected? to find out, we don't undertake a experiment. every park about managerial jobs, don't undertake a experiment. every park about managerialjobs, it is really a cv or an application

muslim doctor. he is know immigrant from pakistan. basically we got a lot going on tonight, but i want to take this to muslim-american doctor, doctor jude -- zhudi jaffer, you say it could backfire? >> i get it, my family escaped persecution and syria, came here as immigrants, seeking political asylum, it is part of american narrative. but make snow mistake, this parade of muslims used to racialize our faith, b verisity. that is not what the democrats and left are doing, they are not bringing in, you remember reagan started this tradition of bringing in symbols of american humanity, and i would think that reaganesque thing to do would bring in reformers that are speaking against the saudi arabia and irans of the world. they are not doing that, they are bringing in regular americans, not affected by trump policy but they use them as props to say right is against muslim and bigoted, we should be americans who happen to be muslim. not political partisan tools. >> interesting point. what you say. instea

this is the muslim ban. not called "the muslim ban," but this is the muslim ban. when you say it like that, it sounds like a song. ♪ do you know the muslim ban ♪ the muslim band that's-- like, they say it's not a muslim ban, but it is. like, he's just banning immigration from countries that just happen to almost entirely be muslim. - it's countries that have tremendous terror, and it's countries that people are going to come in and cause us tremendous problems. - let me ask you about some of the countries that won't be on the list. afghanistan, pakistan, saudi arabia. - i don't want terror in this country. you look at what happened in san bernardino, you look at what happened all over, you look at what happened in the world trade center, okay? i mean, take that as an example. - okay, okay. let's take that as an example. these are the countries trump will ban people from. in the san bernardino shooting, one of the terrorists was a u.s.-born citizen. the other person was from pakistan, a country not on trump's

mostly muslim countries. the result — demonstrations around the world and political convulsions in the united states. is this a political masterstroke however, saying to trump supporters, you wanted something done about islamic terrorism, well, here is something? or is it — as domestic and international critics believe — shambolic and counter productive? i would suggest it i would suggest re i would suggest it if: to his _ f for i would suggest it if: to his !think for ffofsé 47; elf: g; fizz“ ffofsé 442 2122: 2:2 222“ in the ffofsé 2l2'2 222: 222 222“ in the first ffofsé 2l2'2 222: 2222 222“ in the first l days of the see in the first 15 days of the trump administration, is what you see is what you got. there are no better angels here, the trump we saw in the campaign, a businessman, who was a tv celebrity is the trump in the white house, he is impull si, he isa the white house, he is impull si, he is a bully and he will have his own way, until he pushes it too far. it is just not clear where this takes us, i

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because muslim countries ban israeli's, the u.s. is able to violate its own constitution and values. is that a sound basis for an international order? that is not what i'm saying. i'm saying there is a double standard. they are talking about a muslim travel ban which is not the case. there are 56 predominantly muslim countries. of these, seven are affected by the ban. one of these is iran which is a sworn enemy of the u.s.. they go around chanting, and inth to the usa every day toronto the others are mainly failed states, mainly because of or syriatervention where iran and their friends are murdering people. another is iraq or iran is taking power -- where iran is taking power. we're not talking about a tip for de -- tit-for-tat. we are talking about double standards. there was a ban for members of the jewish state and there has been no protest in the west, as far as i can see. except for people at myself, a tiny majority. melinda: you don't have any qualms about the constitutional or moral merits of this order? alan: no i don't. th

everything president trump said during the campaign was about a muslim ban. everything that steve bannon pursued was a muslim ban, rudy giuliani called it correctly and it's not rooted in the facts of national security. the individuals from the seven countries have not conducted fatal attacks inside the united

anybody who's not a muslim.erstand what he's talking about, that's the new caliphate, they started in the 20th century. that's very different from a caliphate and the islamic state that started 1400 years ago and now continues and now is resurrected in iraq and syria. the world -- the world was at a crossroads. we are facing a clash of civilization, western values, and islamic values. >> sean: how many agree that there's a clash of civilizations, for example, if you come from a country where women can't drive, they're told by men how to dress, marital rate is legal, and can be killed christians and are persecuted and people under those countries want to come to this country does anyone agree that's a class of civilization? how may disagree it's not a clash? >> back in the late 70s, early 80s i did security for the royal family of saudi arabia. i made two dozen trips over to riyadh. i was over there during -- i watched on television, the killing of 100 people for various different crimes. women had developed and

sharia law is no friend of muslims, christians,, anyone who was a non-muslim.erstand what they are talkingm. about, that is a new caliphate. they started in the 20th century. that is very different than a caliphate and an islamic state that have started 1400 years ago and now continues and is resurrected in iraq and syria. the world is facing -- the world is at a crossroads. we are truly facing a clash of civilizations between western civilization and values and islamic civilization and islamic values. >> sean: how many agree that there is a clash of civilizations, for example. do you come from a country where women can't drive. they are told by men how to dress.en marital rate rape is legal, gays and lesbians can detailed, chre persecuted. does everyone agree that there is a clash of civilizations, yes or no? [clambering] how many people disagree it is a clash? you agree >> president trump: disagree? bo dietl >> back in the late 70s, early about 380s, i did security for the royal family of saudi arabia. i made two dozen trips over to -- i was over there during

it's part of the muslim world. anybody coming from there must be anti-muslim. true freedom loving americans look at it through a lens of diversity. so if the left cares about diversity, this exposes. the curtain is pulled back. they're bigots that look upon us muslims as a useful minority in their partisan politics. >> neil: you think it should be linked to the hearings with neil gorsuch, the justice pick? a number of democrats have said they would link their support to rolling back this directive. >> the link i think is about, you know, judge gorsuch's history on religious freedom. if you believe in religious freedom and the american-first freedom, look at his opinions about how he stood for any minority's views of protection from the government for those beliefs. so before they try to label the right as anti-muslim or whatever they might do, look at his opinions there and see what the left does when the mic is hot and they don't think it is where they use muslims as an identity group. it's amazing to me when i see them in the muslim groups that i march with.

them among not just the texas muslims who turned out for muslim texas capital day, you couldn't find the screaming anti-muslim people in the crowd this year because there was only a couple of them and because of the huge human chain that made themselves into a protective cordon around these texas muslims. organizers say they were hoping for about 500 people to show up and make a human chain. according to the "dallas morning news," more than four times that many people showed up. more than 2,000 people. so they made their chain three and four and five people deep. in addition to the regular crowd there for texas muslim day, more than 2,000 people showed up to protect them and support them. one of the community leaders marveling at the turnout, marveling at the thousands of people who turned out yesterday in texas to support texas muslims at the capital on their big civics day. one of the speakers, one of the muslim leaders addressing the crowd at this event said "all thanks and praise to donald trump for making this huge turnout possible." i think he's probably right. texas is a long

what if this were a muslim ban? would we get in to review that and they got a concession from trump's doj that basically said if that were the case, yes, but we continue to maintain it's not so that's on getting in the door. once you're in court, the second way it came up was, of course, rudy. rudy might be the card carrying member of the aclu that we never knew about because he has helped the challenge, the aclu challenge, his challenge, his comments were brought up friday in the seattle courtroom and brought up again tonight basically as evidence, public evidence, that there is an effort to discriminate against muslims, the challengers say, and that donald trump's senior advisers basically took that goal and then found a way to sort of whitewash it for lack of a better term through some legal jargon, some lifts on the books and that's what is going on. so i don't know whether their conversations between rudy giuliani and president trump and the doenl but it's such a key part of this because the question here is, i

or never muslim.e just need to prove it was motivated in part by desire to harm muslim. >> how you can infer that desire when in fact the vast majority of muslim, unaffected? >> your honor, you can refer from statements, there are statements in our complaint that are shocking evidence of intent to discriminate against muslims. >> the 9th circuit will only decide whether a washington judge overstepped his authority. the case will almost definitely ends up in the supreme court. i want to go live to atlanta and bring in a legal mind. michael moore, a former district attorney from georgia's middle district. good morning to you. >> good morning. >> you heard some of those exchanges from that conference call. tell me what you make of where we are in this legal process. >> you know, i think that it's pretty clear that the judges were what we call a hot bench, and that is, that they were interested. they had questions. i would not put a lot of stock or too many emphasis on which wait questions seemed to lean.

us and the muslim world. these threats against iran, cuddling up to russia. you know, malcolm, your thoughts? >> well, first off, i think max is completely wrong. we do not want to get into a fight with iran. there's a pushback on a diplomat front, that's one thing. i have fought or have been under fire by iran three times in my career. beirut in 1983 when they blew up a truck bomb that killed 243 americans, naval battles in 1988, and been attacked by iranian rockets in iraq in the early 2000s. these people have capacity to put up a million insurgents and create terrorism throughout the middle east. there's no smart way to play it. you either go through a diplomat route or you go to war all over and enflame the middle east. perhaps that's their strategy. they want to confront iran, think they can take them down. listen, we have a phrase for this in the intelligence community, a fantasist, it's called tom clancy combat operations, right? where they think they can do whatever they want because they think our mi

and the national association of muslim lawyers.have both of you with us this morning. the white house says this is not a muslim ban. >> lipstick on a pig? it is the same thing. i think it's part of a pattern we are seeing where the trump administration is targeting muslims while dropping the ball on other kinds of extremism. i think for a lot of muslims there's a feeling this is more of the same, and maybe the language is more polite, and the bigger problems i am hearing from the muslims, he's making us less safe and dressing up the policies as national security to create the impression that he is acting decisively, and we all know when there are attacks real, or in his case in many times, imagined, he uses those attack to further policy. >> i know you do believe it's a muslim ban, but what about the white house argument that the most -- that the countries with the largest muslim majorities, afghanistan, indonesia, pakistan, turkey, i could go on and on, they are not included in this, and muslims can still come in and how can it be

muslims in america? >> i say to muslims they should have more confident in trump, trump is going to protect them. >> maybe not what you're expecting to hear. and look at it, awaiting trump's announcement of the supreme court pick moments from now in the white house. the two finalists are in washington tonight. is this the finale of "the apprentice"? servings of veggies? v8 or a powdered drink? ready, go. ahhhhhhhh! shake! shake! shake! shake! shake! done! you gotta shake it! i shake it! glad i had a v8. the original way to fuel your day. won't replace the full value of your totaled new car. the guy says you picked the wrong insurance plan. no, i picked the wrong insurance company. with liberty mutual new car replacement™, you won't have to worry about replacing your car because you'll get the full value back including depreciation. and if you have more than one liberty mutual policy, you qualify for a multi-policy discount, saving you money on your car and home coverage. call for a free quote today. libe

muslims have rights.we need to fight bigotry that exists against muslims but don't use the term islamophobe yet because they are trying to shut us all up from criticizing islamic state ideology. [applause] >> ambassador rooney you also served in congress in florida. is there republican support for more money for voice of america and radio free asia and all of those things that seem to atrophy into the clinton administration when everyone thought ocoee won the cold war. we no longer need to have those voices for america. >> i think there is cultural diplomacy and he can't fight an idea as you mentioned and what happened with the fall of eastern europe. we are going to have to fight the war of ideas while we fight the war on the ground. you can do that without projecting your voice covertly and overtly. i know congressman rohrabacher who heads up the subcommittee on europe and one of the emerging threats used to be a speechwriter in the reagan administration was involved with radio free europe so he is tota

it's -- >> they are muslim. >> they make argument it's not muslim because we doesn't exclude all muslimthat j religious ban if -- you don't discriminate against 80% or but discriminate against 20%. i think it is. >> it's hard to affirm conclusions. there was one point where the female justice don't you have exhibits that show that. yes, i do whether this was seen as a muslin ban. >> running it through the agencies to make sure you have basis covered. once you put it out there, we didn't mean to include legal residents, pull the eo, use your eraser, erase those lines, then you don't have a lawsuit. as you heard in the arguments here, absent those provision, this covers a lot of ground. >> due process, we guarantee under the 5th amendment, we guarantee the right to persons. it seems it's people who are here. if you somewhere in afghanistan, you don't quality as a person yet. what does due process mean? >> the state was asserting it's basis of universitys are harmed by the muslim ban, in other words it was asserting its standing under harm to the state and its entities whether or not asser

muslim populated country in the world, 88% of the world's muslims live in countries that which this ban does not apply. the executive order itself is really neutral and i would note that in addition of jews and christians, there are minority muslim sects, that are frequently subjected to religious persecution. that would also get preferential treatment once the refugee portion is reinstated. >> on this subject though of whether the targets or singles out muslims, the court suggested in this ruling yesterday that what donald trump said in the campaign, when he calls explicitly, he wanted a total and complete shutdown on all muslims entering the united states, doesn't get more clear than that. he called for that repeatedly on the campaign trail. they said it is valid to take that under consideration here, i guess my question to you is why wouldn't it be? we have a presidential candidate saying, elect me, no muslim in the world gets in here, he puts this order out there, isn't it fair to be on guard and say hey, is he stepping in that direction here? >> yeah, look, i think that there's