start towards the victorious muslim brotherhood election in europe? they do not denounce violence? and just a comment, the analogy to the comment on the brotherhood that doesn't mean it's not dangerous. al qaeda isn't the common term so just because it isn't a common term doesn't mean we shouldn't be very concerned about it. >> well that was a perfect suggestion. because i wanted to comment on the common term. [laughter] as if the comintern was merged or something. out of a james bond movie. please remember all these communist parties before they came were perfectly flexible and social democrat and have all kind of great things to say about democracy, freedom and so forth. it's getting a bad name as the generation is dying off and so forth. secondly, fissures within the totalitarian movement and even regimes are commonplace. happens all the time. they killed them because they were so intense. in the case of italian fascism, he figured out early on that young happy fascists who want to believe in the revolution and so forth were for the communist party

start towards the victorious muslim brotherhood election in europe? f they do not denounce violence? and just a comment, the analogy to the comment on the brotherhood that doesn't mean it's not dangerous. al qaeda isn't the common term so just because it isn't a common term doesn't mean we shouldn't be very concerned about it. >> well that was a perfect suggestion. because i wanted to comment on the common term. [laughter] as if the comintern was merged or something. out of a james bond movie. please remember all these communist parties before they came were perfectly flexible and social democrat and have all kind of great things to say about democracy, freedom and so forth. it's getting a bad name as the generation is dying off and so forth. secondly, fissures within the totalitarian movement and even regimes are commonplace. happens all the time. they killed them because they were so intense. in the case of italian fascism, he figured out early on that young happy fascists who want to believe in the revolution and so forth were for the communist part

clark talked about the muslim brotherhood, they are active throughout the muslim world. there is growing concern this group is taking over the revolution that swept hosni mubarak from power in egypt. >> all right. thanks so much george. as many feared that group is gaining influence in egypt. increasingly the secular faiths are being shouldered aside in the nationwide referendum that reshaped egypt's political structure. john cage: john wagee has more. >> reporter a mob through stones, cursed him and kept him from casting his ballot. he believes new political parties need time and gain support. holding elections only helps established groups like the muslim brotherhood. many in egypt's christian community agree with him. ramez atallah is director of the bible society in egypt. >> it gives a grass root majority by popular vote. like hezbollah, leb anon and hamas. if there was a democratic election, radical islamist would take over. new enough they were telling egyptians they had a spiritual obligation to say yes. this video shows a man filling in dozens of yes ballots. cl

a great concern for us, the christians living in the egypt, a muslim government governed by muslim brotherhood. look at the bylaws. they say that their goal is to institute an islamic government, that is their goal. to universalize muslim, alaw allah's law. that is their goal. >> on that very serious concern to you, gary lane, just it is last few seconds we have remaining, you have covered the middle east, are you hopeful, concerned about what you see playing out? not just egypt, tunisia, perhaps, saudi arabia, yemen, your final thoughts? >> there is concern about potential. i am hopeful for the young people. i know the young people in egypt, they are wonderful people. they would like to see freedom of speech, freedom of religion, more economic opportunity. i believe in them. if their voices are heard, they'll have victory in the end. >> okay. gary lane, our senior international correspondent calling us from skype in egypt. paul marshal in washington, d.c., great to have you, and the american center for law and justice, thank you. we have much more news from the global church including the ext

the muslim brotherhood in its modern towns was -- in its modern form believes that muslims should love doth more than life. if you think about the power of that idea -- love and death more than life. we could think about the power of that idea and back in 2009 with the shooting spree at fort hood, there is the idea that muslims truelove death more than life. -- should love death more than life. that is a constant in the brotherhood's approach to things. this is not a new discussion about the brotherhood, and whether or not they can be approached and engaged in and diplomatic way. this is a discussion we have had many times in the west. i would like to give you an example the think is a very illuminating. back in the 1990's, the west was trying to see if we had a partner in the muslim world that we could reach out to. this happened in the u.s. and europe european countries as a sort of intermediary between law, the west and the muslim world. there was a guy named al-turabi. he was a very prominent figure. he was one of the most prominent figures in the international muslim brother would

they were people that belong to the muslim brotherhood, but this was not a muslim brotherhood evened. it will not fill the presidential candidates. they will not felt more than 30% of the seats, because that has been what they have given themselves. -- they will not fill more than 30% of the seats, because that is what they have given themselves. they anticipate that their popularity was in large part due to the fact that they were the only game in town besides the mubarak regime. the only legitimate opposition in town for the muslim brotherhood. no one took opposition party seriously. they paid very dearly for this over the course of the years. my personal sense is of the muslim brotherhood will not be the type of party that is all or nothing. they will not control everything, and they certainly will not be in the fringes of some other political party. they will be very visible, but not necessarily dominant. >> barbara from the atlantic council. may i say thank you for someone that was riveted by my computer day after day. can you talk more about the secular parties, particularly the

this was not a muslim brotherhood revolution. no one in egypt can take credit and say this is a muslim brotherhood revolution. never once was the muslim brotherhood flag-waving over tahrir square. >> not by accident. >> the people there were not part of the muslim brotherhood. this was not a muslim brotherhood-lead additive for event. the muslim brotherhood is a part of the political fabric of egypt. that cannot be ignored. >> is it a little, medium-size or big part? >> they themselves say they will not field a presidential candidate. they say they will not feel themselves more than 30% of the seats, because that's what they've given themselves. it will only compete for 30% of the seats. if they win everyone, they will have more than 30% of the egyptian parliament. i think we can safely say that the muslim brotherhood anticipate and they know their popularity was a large part due to the fact they were the only game in town besides the mubarak regime. president hosni mubarak was the power and the legitimate opposition in town wher

swath of the modern terrorist problem we face is a very good reason for that which is that the muslim brotherhoodnd its founding was very specific about embracing the notion that muslims should love death more than a love life and the common refrain above the brotherhood leadership believes to this day. if you think of the power that idea back in november of 2009 when major nut don went on a shooting spree at fort hood this powerpoint presentation surface in one of the things on the slide is a muslim should love death more than life. that echoed immediately to what hossanah bonnier began saying all the way back 80 years ago and that is really a constant i would say in which the way the brotherhood approaches things. in the west it is interesting. this is not a due discussion about the brotherhood and whether not the brotherhood is something that can be approached and engaged in a diplomatic way. it is a discussion we have had many times and i want to give you one quick example of what i think is very illuminating from that perspective which was back in the early 1990s that wes was looking at tryi

start towards the victorious muslim brotherhood election in europe? f they do not denounce violence? and just a comment, the analogy to the comment on the brotherhood that doesn't mean it's not dangerous. al qaeda isn't the common term so just because it isn't a common term doesn't mean we shouldn't be very concerned about it. >> well that was a perfect suggestion. because i wanted to comment on the common term. [laughter] as if the comintern was merged or something. out of a james bond movie. please remember all these communist parties before they came were perfectly flexible and social democrat and have all kind of great things to say about democracy, freedom and so forth. it's getting a bad name as the generation is dying off and so forth. secondly, fissures within the totalitarian movement and even regimes are commonplace. happens all the time. they killed them because they were so intense. in the case of italian fascism, he figured out early on that young happy fascists who want to believe in the revolution and so forth were for the communist part

this was not a muslim brotherhood revolution. no one can take credit and say that. never once was the moslem brotherhood flag waving over tahrir square. never once were their slogans chanted. not by accident, and more particularly, the people there were not part of the muslim brotherhood. this was not a muslim brotherhood-led initiative. it is a part of the political fabric of egypt. that should not be ignored. that is the reality. little, medium-sized, or a big part? >> let me what to the sequence. they said they would not feel the president canada and no more than 30%, but that is what they view themselves and parliament electorate -- in popularity. as soon as they wind those, they will not have more than 30% of the egyptian parliament, if they win every one. the muslim brotherhood in egypt, they themselves anticipate that their popularity was do you because they were the only game in town behind -- beside the mubarak regime. president mubarak was the power, and the only legitimate opposition was the muslim brotherhood. no one to any other party seriously. even if

straight, i am really at a loss to explain why the administration keeps telling us that the muslim brotherhood is not a threat when they're openly saying things that are threatening. now, i think some the muslim brothers have figure out, if they say, oh, we're not a problem. we want things like that. they figured out that plays well, and even our correcter of national -- directer of national intelligence yesterday was saying similar thing. well, this is ridiculous. they're not a secular group, just look at their name. they're the muslim brotherhood, you know? they're not some nonreligious group. their whole agenda, their whole program is to have more religious law in egypt. and if it were just that, like, they just wanted to go off and live on their own and live under sharia and just, you know, live life, fine. that's great. but it has greater implications. it has national security implications for us. it has implications in western europe where they're trying to export this kind of thinking. of course, for israel it has huge ramifications because their survival is on the line. so i don't real

they're the muslim brotherhood. you know, they're not some nonreligious group, their whole agenda and hope is to have a more religious law in egypt. if they wanted to just go and live under sharia and just live life, fine, that's great. but it has greater implications. it has national security applications for us. it has implications in western europe where they're trying to export this thinking and ideology. for i reel it'll have huge ramifications, so their survival is on the line. so i don't really get why the united states is taking this hands-off approach when if we could reinforce the people who like us in egypt and try to promote their agenda, then we might have a percent outcome. it seems to be all of the inte intellectual game going on and the quest for the moderate muslim brotherhood guy. they're trying to find -- it happens every time. oh, there really are moderates out there. they said the saipg thing about communists. well, they don't exist, and our research for them is going to lead to bad things. and

. >> we socialists have a long history of cooperation with the muslim brotherhood. started in 2005. we have always called for cooperation with the brotherhood because they were already -- always ready to take to the streets and it would be wrong to ignore them. >> it can take hours of talk to reach a consensus. the meetings usually begin only after the regular working day. but activists like these believe thahathat kind of commitment is necessary if they are to create a new egypt. >> obviously, most of us are passionate about politics. and if it proves necessary, we will support each other to continue this mission. >> what these young people are doing seems remarkable in a country that is emerging after decades of autocratic rule. there commitment to mocratic rocesses is hopeful. >> is it possible to talk about tangible progress in egypt? >> there is, in the sense that the military has made it clear that it is not going to stay in power. it will pass on or hand over political responsibility to various appointed leaders, an interim government. the army is very cautio

you keep mentioning the muslim brotherhood, the muslim brotherhood.ypt took the muslim brotherhood out of saudi arabia -- i would just like to know about our hypocrisy concerning saudi arabia and their $120 billion worth of spreading. you keep talking about sharia law. other countries in the world, right now we have bp, show, halliburton, and a transocean do deepwater drilling right off the coast of libya. we have had other countries. thus, the philippines, the netherlands, italy on the radicalization that occurred and comes out of saudi arabia. it is unfair, and i mean really unfair, and it is also defending me as an american. my has been the is 23 years retired c.e.c. how can you sit there on the morning show and you do this song and dance when you know that every think tank, left, right, and center, the state department cables coming out of the wikileaks has said it that at s the saudi's in iraq, 9/11, and are the master bomb makers as we speak. i would sure as hell like for yuo tou to answer this question. guest: i recommend this book, " sharia to

it is the muslim brotherhood. the conversation has become so focused around secular and are losing's, we sight that many are faith-based. the role that churches play in terms of providing social services, charity, and other things to benefit the community. we also have to have a discussion about how to -- how do secular ngo's engage with their islamic counterpart and how does the u.s. didn't engage with islamically oriented ngo's. there has to be some interface and up until now, we have not had that discussion. i will close there. >> thank you. thank you for handling the microphone, so well. one of the fun things about moderating is i get to ask the first couple questions and i will. let me assure you we will move to the audience to further ask questions. i will assert my right as chair to ask two or one, depending on how long the panelists take. as we're watching coverage on fold -- unfold, one could not escape the sense that part of the issue of justice is linked to the economic model. both countries have gone t

the ndp has been decapitated in the muslim brotherhood doesn't know who should be ahead of it if you will. so there is a lot of debate in there. even what we think of as the best organized are not particularly well organized. again, they were prepared for this either. the brotherhood was accustomed to being cranky and claiming to be so forth and so on. and so presented with opportunities, they are not displaced either. so it's an interesting moment where nobody was ready for this and everybody scrambling to figure out how to best take advantage of opportunities they never expected to have. it is to be careful what you wish for a moment tunisia for everybody. >> okay. the thing to take a group of questions and then if you can just state who you are and who you represent a repair. >> jet. come a filmmaker. with respect to reject in your comment that they are searching for alternatives that can't quite figure out what kind of system they want. in respect to that, amendments to the constitution seemed to me to be somewhat premature. a constitution would follow this decision. is there any

among those affiliated with the anniversary is the muslim brotherhoods the other organization is the libyan islamic fighting group that draws its support from libyan immigrants in europe as early as nine hundred ninety six its center its militants to libya an attempt to start really warfare in syria later because i've heard the point is al qaeda and islamic emirate has been proclaimed of their neighbors iraq snails the shells al-qaeda is now focusing on libya which is only natural of libya looks like a weak link where al-qaeda may gain success of that useful spear hook. not only did they proclaim i am right but also at home at one time a prisoner as muscat i want to consequences could this happen yes to all of interest them if the fundamentalists come to power the consequences will be serious they are not moderate fundamentalists like in egypt or tunisia they are extremists they're radicals this means that inside the country they are trying to impose a dictatorship on their own people with your thoughts for you to put into practice their principles an islamic state an islamic economy

a democracy and you have another person who lives a few miles away who's convinced that the muslim brotherhood is ultimately behind this employing the strings then you have other people talk about the egyptian military which in the media in america is in a way ironically has been touted as this great substitute for mubarak and then other more sober thinkers who are there are telling you that in many ways they're actually worse and not much has changed and if you really do go on the ground in egypt you'll find that there's a lot of of the same exact sort of. it's case kind of a or c. if i'm going to taji there well we already have a precedent early in the in this process here if the revolutionary process supreme call it that we have we have. a seeming ripped support for democratic forces if we call them democratic forces in egypt in tunisia there's a lot of dithering over libya what to do about libya and certainly there's no strong american support behind the scenes scenes for saudi arabia so it really isn't a case by case basis isn't it and we're seeing different precedents that in different w

writer and actor, harry shearer on hurricane a katrina, and then liter, a discussion on the muslim brotherhood in egypt. >> the communicators is on location at the 7th annual state of the net conference spoon tored by the internet caucus of congress. joining us now is dr. william laer where he's a researcher on the internet futures program. first of all, what is the communication futures program? >> communications future program is an attempt to look across the value chain of the internet, so from equipment providers to service providers to application providers, and not just in the u.s., but internationally. we work together, several schools at mit with industry partners, internationally and domestically on issues confronting the internet and ideas to technology aware business strategy and business strategy aware in technology and bridge that gap. >> what are you thinking about most these days? >> well, with the internet, there's a lot of things to think about. me, personally, i think about wireless issues, and i come out of a regulatory economics research background, so i'm especially intere

thirty million radical islamist parties have been suppressed by previous regimes muslim brotherhood in egypt for instance. in libya you know al qaeda is there is strong in libya libyan department is one of the strongest of the world. maybe the second strongest after the pull to stun you with one of the greatest dangers know is that a. jihad is their troops try to get you through the city so they're highly volatile situation in this northern african region really bears significance not just fully be egyptian on syria but really for the rest of the world if you know our. own interests a few weeks the sense in asia spread throughout the arab world and there are growing fears it could go further still have concerns that it's nomic radicalism will come to power but a political analyst from islamabad says the threats are vastly overestimate it i'm one of those people who are very skeptical about for example. the strength of al qaeda in the afghanistan pakistan region we believe in pakistan the al qaeda is very very dissipated very very weak right now in fact if we count the actual numbers of

thing i've got to tell you if somebody called me or you and said i'm from the muslim brotherhood i've got some money here but i think if you i mean come on i'm going to i wouldn't take until i want to know so you know i don't feel sorry for these. here it well and in fact let's just take that a step further. it seems to me that n.p.r. let's talk about it here for a minute she is neither fish nor fowl the are not government funded because they're getting i mean they're get they're getting some government funds and they get a bunch of corporate funds and back when they were entirely government funded they were doing like really great investigative journalism and they busted. are just in the middle and a.t.m. had to pay a three hundred million dollars fine for price fixing that was n.p.r.'s research i don't see that happening now that they're corporate funded my position is they should either go entirely so. by their listeners or entirely government funded like maybe c and canadian broadcasting i'm just curious what you guys think about i think we're seeing n.p.r. being cut one position

or by people like, in egypt's case, whether the muslim brotherhood will do well in the elections. >> the muslim brotherhood is always a force underground a free election, they've never proved that they can carry the majority. >> rose: but some say they're better organized than anybody else. >> yeah, that's all right. they still haven't got the majority. because the egyptian populations as a whole does not want a severe muslim state. >> rose: what impact do you think this will have on the appeal of fundamental islamic radicalism. >> we would encourage radicals in other islamic states but the people don't think it's a solution to their problem. >> rose: they don't think fundamentalist islam is a solution to their problem? >> how can you solve it? we will face the problems of the modern world: growth, jobs, an adjustment to different social values and cultures. >> rose: do you think the president has explained the united states' interest in this well? >> well, the french have taken the lead. they know the area well. sarkozy has gone ahead. >> rose: by recognizing cad t rebels. >> yes, i

lately, we've heard about the muslim brotherhood and considering what's happening in egypt, the muslim brotherhood is the mothership basically that launched these terrorists. it was funded in 1928 and has 70 organizations including al-qaeda. the chapter in the book is dedicated to the muslim brotherhood project and the project for north america. >> tell us about your background, how did you become an expert? >> i was born and raised in lebanon, and my 9/11 happened to me personally in 1975 when the radical islamists blew up my home, bringing it down, burning me under the rebel. i ended up in a hospital for two and a half months and later lived in a bomb shelter underground for seven years of my life hiding to survive. i became very concerned about national security, even as a child. i grew up and i went to israel, become news anchor as a journalist to understand what was happening around the world, and what contributes to certain things around the world. it's a movement. i worked as news anchor for world news in the middle east from 1984-89. as i reported world events in the 80s, i con

. >> we socialists have a long history of cooperation with the muslim brotherhood. tarted in 2005. we have always called for cooperation with the brotherhood because they were already -- always ready to take to the streets and it would be wrong to ignore them. >> it can take hours of talk to reach a consensus. the meetings usually begin only after the regular working day. but activists like these believe that that kind of commitment is necessary if they are to create a new egypt. >> obviously, most of us are passionate about politics. and if it proves necessary, we will support each other to continue this mission. >> what these young people are doing seems remarkable in a country that is emerging after decades of autocratic rule. there commitment to democratic processes is hopeful. >> is it possible to talk about tangible progress in egypt? >> there is, in the sense that the military has made it clear that it is not going to stay in power. it will pass on or hand over political responsibility to various appointed leaders, an interim government. the army is very cauti

laden has matured as a defensive and temp rate islamist, not like the sovereign monarchy in the muslim brotherhood even with these differences, however, the saudis overseas missionary activities are an indispensable aid to al-qaeda's organizational, military and media activities. through expatriot peachers, and direct funding for local options, the saudis have created muslim communities in most areas of the world that are alienated and even hateful toward the west. and so these communities are congenial environments for hosting an al-qaeda presence. in the balkans, in india and bangladesh, in the north caucuses in south asia, in north america, in europe and in if saharan africa. these ngos and doses of saudi cash have, for decades, prepared the ground for al-qaeda and its allies. do the salktys realize this? -- saudis realize? of course they do. we must always keep in mind that the only attack saudi leaders disapprove of are those that occur inside the kingdom. a final point to make on the relationship outside the arabian peninsula is that saudi activities abroad relieve al-qaeda of the need to fu

he was the power and the only legitimate opposition in town were the muslim brotherhood. nobody took the opposition party seriously. if you were not in support of the brotherhood, if he did not like what they stood for, you supported that because they were the ones willing to go to the street and oppose the pershing, and they paid dearly for that over the course of the years. my assessment is that the moslem brotherhood will not be the top party that is all or nothing. they will not control everything and they will not be in the fringes of some other parties. they will be very visible, but not necessarily dominant. >> another question? >> state your name and your affiliation. >> thank you as someone who is riveted the my computer watching you day after day, wondering how you were managing to continue to broadcast. can you talk about the secular parties particularly the young activists. will they be able to get their act together to participate in the parliamentary and presidential elections? we have seen some pushback. d you see somebody emerging, or should we wait to see

. >> explain the power of the muslim brotherhood. >> the muslim brotherhood is very popular in egypt because they hope protecting the young people when they were attacked. because the muslim brotherhood are usually organized to fight these issues. they gained popularity among the people. this is not reflected in that political life. they are aware that occurs is between the country they would like to see and this religious piety that is rising. i have a disagree with the people who say that maybe because of the muslim brotherhood which are very strong in the country that they may lead in the near future. >> the last quick question to the remaining three. what are women in iran telling you now about what they're saying they're wrong the region and how they may be the turn this into something for themselves? >> i were to comment on the economic issue. in the iran, when we talk to people, they are still of religiously conservative and we talked about women's rights. they see women doing so well. people in power are rarely moved when you talk about women, their wives, their sisters but w

lunch with npr senior and to people who posed as members of the muslim group with ties to the muslim brotherhood. they told schiller there were interested in donating $5 million to m d r. >>kimberlee: even though they put out a statement saying they don't back his statements, he will not work for them anymore. it's really wrapped up this move on congress to defund npr of their federal funding. >>pam: thank-you we have a quick program note to tell you about this friday we will be running nbc programming. added o'clock on kron 4 you can catch would you think you are, followed by a monk at 9:00 p.m.. then kron 4 news at 11:00. it all happened this friday. we'll be back. >>jacqueline: a little rain this morning but in the afternoon things turned out nicely. the rain still going well to the north of us on the oregon border. this cloud and will track well to the north of us. we will see mostly sunny skies into tomorrow. the inland valleys in the fog as well as the east bay shore. this will continue until 8:00 hour and antioch will still see fog and the north bay. they brought in the morning skies were

he was fooled into thinking he was talking to men backed by the muslim brotherhood. in this clip, they speak first. >> basically they are, they will be deterred. middle american, gun toting. >> they feel that npr was biased in this coverage and it shows what many of us expected. >> reporter: although they support public broadcasting, they are moving to eliminate federal subsidies by next year. the chief executive says he is appalled at the comment and a station depends on federal money for a% of its budget. >> we would either have to cut it or find other sources or look to the community to provide more support. >> reporter: on the question of bias, they gave us the results of two public polls that show the american people have a lot of trust in public broadcasting to be fair and objective. the jim vargas, ktvu channel 2 news. >>> and unsung hero was honored today. his sister accepted a lifesaving medal on his behalf. he saved two lives in his hair was the was not recognized. he served in the bay area after the war and became the first black player for the new york gi

it used to be conventional wisdom you had to choose between mubarak and the muslim brotherhood. and with this huge amount of information that's been flowing in into egypt for several decades now, it's filled in the middle. there's now something that wasn't there before. >> rose: a program note. we expected to show you this evening conversations with mike huck bea. we'll show you those interviews later this week. tonight, lakhdar brahimi and joe nye when we continue. seven years ago, i had this idea. to make baby food the way moms would. happybaby strives to make the best organic baby food. in a business like ours, personal connections are so important. we use our american express open gold card to further those connections. last year we took dozens of trips using membership rewards points to meet with the farmers that grow our sweet potatoes and merchants that sell our product. we've gone from being in 5 stores to 7,500. booming is using points to make connections that grow your business. captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york city, this is char

it is interesting because the government was saying it was the muslim brotherhood. they might be a part of it. it is a spontaneous -- the new media has made -- there has been a spontaneous outpouring of people without necessarily having any particular group lead the way. it is legitimate in terms of not one force in the community against another, but the people speaking out. there is so much that we don't know yet about what is going on. we will know a lot more by the end of the day, when this demonstration is finished. thank you for your interest in what is happening for the world and for your interest in our having a value space foreign policy. i don't think any of us have ever visited egypt without speaking to president mubarak about freedom of the press and the rest, as well as when he has visited the united states. >> as a follow up -- [inaudible] can you speak out against violence and even in terms of [inaudible] [inaudible] >> let me and large the issue for a moment. as speaker, and before then, i had the occasion to visit many countries in the world, in the

that would then take advantage of early elections would be remnants of the old regime and the muslim brotherhood. >> brown: that explains the post election analysis we've heard that this does... the brotherhood, for example, as one of the parties that can benefit most. >> that's correct. i think it would be a mistake, however, to think that because the brotherhood supported the constitutional amendments that it was a 77% outcome. i don't think that's the case at all. but certainly the brotherhood pushed for a yes on these amendments but they've also declared and there's every indication to believe them that will only contest 35% of the seats in the upcoming parliamentary election. that's been their pattern in the past. >> brown: the military government. what is their stance now? they keep saying they want to hand back power as quickly as possible. >> i think that's true. i think that, you know, being in charge of egypt right now, of course, is a difficult politically sensitive matter. it opens them up to criticism. they want a process in place. they want to hand over power, i think, to an electe

conclusions we're not in a position to reach. >> the area of unrest is not the area where the muslim brotherhood strong. it's actually an area of support for the regime. >> simon: what i find fascinating here is the way this all began. in tunisia, which is where it all began, the spark was set by an angry man who set himself on fire because he just couldn't take the humiliation anymore, and in syria, it seems to have been start by a bunch of kids writing graffiti on a wall. explain that. >> that's right. and rashid is correct. this starts in dera. dera, the horian region is a sunni tribal region traditionally loyal to the regime. they were cooperated into the regime decades ago to give the minority regime a sort of sunni insulation, or veneer. a few days ago-- rather a few weeks ago now-- children 20 ages of 10 and 14 wrote anti-regime graffiti on a wall. they were arrested and taken to damascus, and the security forces did not tell their parents where they were. people went out into the streets and then, of course, there's been a cycle of violence ever since, despite the fact that the regime se

the muslim brotherhood is advocating a yes vote. >> we advise people to say yes. the first step in a long road toward democracy. the people are now divided. this is democracy. >> it is all a bit of a comedown from the unity and euphoria at tahrir square. building the new egypt is turning out to be a laborious and sometimes confusing task for its people. bbc news in cairo. >> to confine that story along with all our top stories on our website. >> hello and welcome. >> see the news unfold, get the top stories from around the globe and click-to-play video reports. go to bbc.com/news to experience the in-depth, expert reporting of "bbc world news" online. >> funding was made possible by the freeman foundation of new york, stowe, vermont, and honolulu. newman's own foundation. the john d. and catherine t. macarthur foundation. and union bank. >> union bank has put its global expertise to work for a wide range of companies. what can we do for you? >> "bbc world news" was presented by kcet los angeles.

he thought he was meeting donors with the fundamental list muslim brotherhood. they are deciding whether to renew the federal funding. >> this shows that there are real serious problems at mpr. it is time to push big bird out of the nest. obviously it doesn't hurt when people do idiotic things. but there is nothing that replicates what public broadcasting provides. >> so after he was forced out of his job, the head of mpr resigned as well. they are fighting the republican efforts to eliminate $400 million that goes to public broadcasting. a task force that was caught on tape saying he will be better off without federal under ifing. >>> britain, france and u.s. lawmakers favor imposing a no-fly zone, but so far nato appears worried of doing so. libyan rebels want to see the u.s. and the western allies stop the military jets from attacking them. but one official said enforcing a no-fly zone would be, quote, a difficult, costly and large operation. a television crew described what happened when qaddafi loyalists captured them and staged a mock execution. >> handcuf

between secularists and islamists because they real litz it's not anti-islam to be against the muslim brotherhood type groups. i think we have to realize when we look at groups like care i believe they come out of that same mentality t collectivization of muslims and use systems to avoid dealing with pathologies that we need to treat. so in the interesting think, islamic american relations i teach my kids being american is islamic. there is no relations between the two. it's inherently the same. so the construct is built on a separation if you will. and i think it's one of actually we may be giving it too much importance, it's one of a large number of organizations that serve to advance political islam in the west. there is a sense that those advocates for those groups want to bring islam here rather than absorb american freedom and reform our faith. the evidence i have of that, look how much work they have done or the islamists in north america to modernize the legal systems of our faith to be commensurate with the laws of this land and not in conflict. you'll find and i put in my testimony, gro

he put down a muslim brotherhood campaign against them. on campaign, by the way, brutally in 1982 but it was effective and everybody got the message, you don't do this. you don't question the regime. as longs as you don't get involved in politics, you will be fine. just go along. the son came in and june of 2000 and started right away to suggest that theres was going to be major reforms done. and i think some of the old guard must have gotten to him and said look, this system doesn't run that way. doesn't work this way. and he -- >> i have a slightly different perspective of how sort of bashar act. i think in the beginning, the reason there was so muc much-- little openness, actually n comparison to the previous era was because he was still trying to find his footing. i mean he was still young. he was not necessarily completely accepted by the old guard. he didn't know how to run a country to begin with. i mean he wasn't really well prepared for -- >> he worked with his father for seven years. >> it didn't seem to have given him a lot of i