the establishment of the muslim brotherhood in 1928. whether at that time the lack of religious freedom was important, whether it played a role in the formation of modern islamism, and whether thus by providing more religious freedom we will get a better situation. we find in the writings of those founders of islamism a lack of importance of that factor. true, they have many complaints regarding the west. colonialism. western interference. there are many there. when he views democracy, he views it rather in the negative and not as something he would complain about as to one of the reasons he would form his organization. so looking at the past might be something to consider about this statement. the second, however, assumption is also worth some consideration of ours. there is an acceptance in the statement of the claim by islamism to be an authentic representation and interpretation of islam. now that islamism claims to be so is something that is obvious to anyone. that that claim is correct or that we should consider it as true is some

idea came that the muslim brotherhood are not now deal wig the topics. we have watched like the formal [ speaking in foreign language ] saying that i will accept president from tunisia biz muslim and not accepting a coptic president, and also we have seen after a massacre, 20 coptic killed and how we give, like muslim brotherhood giving excuses for attacking the army first which never happened. and, also, i don't understand, also, if -- what this --s it me we, yeah, they are -- like, they are modern even though they are anti-semitic. modern even though they don't accept the religiousri to become, like, equal of the majority? also, i would like to know what's the modern perspective on the religious freedoms. since -- i mean i would love to see the reaction of the muslim brotherhood if a muslim in egypt now decided to convert to christianity. it would be very interesting to see it. as well for the selafist. so that's my question. >> very good. >> these are all excellent questions and i commend you for asking. what i would say is, i do not lump the selafist

they outlawed the muslim brotherhood as a party. they allowed the islamists to take over the professional syndicates. egypt has an interesting history in terms if you look at the judiciary back to the 1920s. this developed a semblance of independence and they allowed the islamists to come in and take over. you look at all the professional syndicates, the lawyers or dock, to it was a muslim brotherhood who came to dominate. this was okay for mubarak's standpoint because in a sense, this was the way he lived and let live with the muslim brotherhood, he gave them a kind of outlet. and yet, by the same token, anybody who is under the rubric of secular and liberal, no possibility of emerging, no tolerance for them. you look at what happened. basically we're in a situation where you had one place that was seen as being completely authentic, and off limit, precisely because the regime didn't have legitimacy, which was the mosque. in the mosque you had freedom of speech, so people in the mosque would stand up and say things and you can mang

hamas began as a branch of the muslim brotherhood. tell us who this is that we are going to give 1.5 billion taxpayer dollars to. >> it has a violent form such as al-qaeda or hamas and an evangelical form that uses democracy to get into power but a one way street in which minorities and others don't have power when the source of law becomes not predom and liberty but rather islamic domination and supremism and the cleric's way to determine what is law. unfortunately the administration not only abroad but domestically partnered with the wrong groups like the council on american islamic relations. groups that came out of that environment in egypt and until we have an administration with the courage to identify our war is not against all islam or muslims. we need to take sides within the house of islam so say that we will advocate for liberty and not give our money to the strong horse and those people that claim to be our allies. >> sean: the problem is that public opinion polls in egypt showd that they wanted a theocracy. the egyptian m

what that means is that other people who are in prison including members of the muslim brotherhood, who some people are quite prominent and people are talking about him being the potential prime minister the deputy guide who was unfairly tried in an egyptian military court and sentenced to five years in prison and served many of them and so on. no mention was made by u.s. officials of that injustice and so on. it doesn't only end on january 25th with the beginning of the revolution, you might remember that on january 25th, the first day of the revolution in quotation marks, secretary clinton said that the egyptian government was stable and that it was looking for ways, i'm quoting to respond to the legitimate needs and interests of the egyptian people unquote. the following day she called on all parties meaning the protesters and the regimes to exercise restraint. setting up unquote, setting up some kind of moral equivalency between the protesters and the regime's oppressive apparatus. the following day vice president biden said that mr. mubarak was not a dictator and so on. in fact, if

but also as sam said, for muslims to criticize the brotherhood. or to criticize openly, without fear of recrimination, an understag may consider to be simply false without being accused of or defamation of islam. so, in short, this is not just about minorities. about the maj community and disfavored members of the majority community. >> that's a very, very difficult question. i don't know if i'll even begin to be able to address it in any way. but i think what i will agree with is that, you know, this idea of religious freedom isn't as simple as one might think. you know, because as you have done, you've kind of separated different dimensions of it. in fact, i have not even gone that far. wh wt i think is quite crucial at this moment, and maybe that's because i'm living in this particular moment with regard to the difficulties that are going on in egypt right now, are -- and this might not exactly be religious freedom, but ideas of equality without regard to religion. it's not really religious freedom. that, i think, is quite crucial at this parti

more than 70% of the seats are held by the muslim brotherhood. and by the more hard-line party.ronically, there were more women here during the mubarak era. the women had a quota of 64 seats. the islamic parties are in charge in egypt today, which makes a former tv presenter an unlikely candidate in the next presidential election. we caught up with her on the campaign trail. she is standing, she says, because she wants to give people the idea of where women could go one day. but she must know that a non- headscarf wearing a female presidential candidate does not stand a chance in egypt today. and surely the new parliament, with just nine women mp's, only goes to show that women in egypt do not vote for women. >> women make up 60% of the egyptian society. the percentage of literacy among women is 70%. many women did not know how to vote. and the number of female candidates was very low. >> besides, all the political alliances have an islamic bias on the status of women. a committee has been created without a single woman on it. the war is for women's rights. >> did a more secular

the muslim brotherhood, et cetera.i think a more inclusive system changes the logic in what it is tactical or strategic but it changes the logic of those interactions. the second fight which i think is equally important has to do with the constituency for those groups. and so in a more repressed system when groups that are organizing don't have a whole lot of options, and they might work to gather or they might just be all underground separately, very often the broader population will vote for the group that is making the most extreme statements against the regime. so they might have a larger support base. again, this is the proposition that i would then come in the second. so the logic would be that not only does and exclusive system take away the logic for moderates to have to ally with extremists against the repressive system, and also takes away, introduces more possibilities for the general public at large. so a public that wants to see something other than the incumbent regime now has a whole range of things to c

actually it's much more than the fifty percent i mean the muslim brotherhood. but his injury a majority in the parliament and the the fifty percent of the members of the constitution are simply will be saluted from the parliament and in addition to their the other fifty that it meaning fifty percent of the muslim brothers and the seller for his will have a meal and see. who said look to the other half meaning that they will enjoy a majority of this which. i am afraid will really put us in a very difficult situation where you can a situation would be written in think essentially one view which is likely to extend as a current power struggle and political conflict and the stability of the country as you forecast as the rocket goes ahead when it comes to the ongoing political process in egypt but as many would think there is now every chance that egypt will turn into an islamic state with strict sharia law do you think the west will be happy with the results of that after supporting such a long weapon lucian. i believe that if the if the islamic government in egyp

yes, the muslim brotherhood won more votes than any other party. is that a surprise? since president mubarak had this very shortsighted policy of consciously oppressing any centrist democratic secular parties. he made war on them all and created a situation where it was either the mubarak party or it was the brotherhood which was the only vehicle for ex resing dissent. and so it is not a surprise that they in some sense emerge as the champion of the revolution even though that revolution was made by these younger men and women in the streets. so there is a lot to be said for this revolution for what it has done. i think we have to understand that if because a party has muslim or islamist in its name, you are not going to deal with it, then we are going to take ourselves out of the game in most of these middle eastern countries. and the issue is can we work with these parties and can we encourage them to be, which i think is the most important thing, which is can we encourage them to be pluralistic in inclusive parties that are committed over the long term to democracy

i think we've seen that, actually, with regard to the muslim brotherhood from the

losing the revolutionary more democratic forces also came with the moving into this and only the muslim brotherhood and the seller is. the winning side there is still a strong forces and voices within the military itself who have their own separate and surrendering power to the muslim brothers for the seller phase but they are not certain about what kind of moves could be taken at this point so there is a lot of uncertainty about this issue of whether the issue of the transition of government from the military council from skaf to an elected government need to centrally by the muslim brotherhood so there is still a lot of uncertainty a lot of road bumps are awaiting for us. we're watching or to you it's good to have you with us so very few in the program but have a right to life of a dying girl to academics in the u.k. who argue in favor of after birth abortion and the leading medical drug. also a structural problem and in many parts of the world especially the offices still being used in homes in india triggering deadly diseases in the country's population . is now ten minutes past the hour here i

and the allied the muslim brotherhood as a party. -- they outlawed the muslim brotherhood as a party. they allowed the isthmus to come in a takeover. whether it is the lawyers are the doctors -- it was a mother who came to dominate. this was ok from the mubarak standpoint. he give them an outlet. by the same token, and anybody who is under the roof of a secular or liberal, no possibility of emerging, no tolerance for them. so you look at what happened. basically, we're in a situation where you have one place that we have seen as being off- limits because the regime did not have legitimacy. in the mosque, you have freedom of speech. people in the mosque would stand up and say things. you come into the mosque in uc people who stand up and they are not giving in. they knew had to play on the into the people felt and the fact that they did not have an alternative outlet. here was a mosque where you had a summons of freedom of speech were your allowed to organize -- you had a semblance of freedom of speech where you were allowed to organize. and the embodiment of social justice was seen be

the establishment of the muslim brotherhood in 1928. the last of -- lack of religious freedom -- whether by providing more religious freedom we would get to that situation. we find a lack of importance of facts. true they have many complaints in regard to the west. perhaps when they view democracy, they view it in -- in the negative and not as something that formed his organization. it may be something to consider about this statement. the second assumption is also worked some consideration. there is an acceptance of the statement of the claim by as lamaism to be a correct interpretation of islam. islamism claims to be so it's something obvious to anyone. if that claim is correct or if we consider it is true it is something we should we think about a bit more. certainly islamism is a modern phenomenon. its roots may not be traced to islamic jurisprudence. in the case of the muslim brotherhood, there is hardly evidence of 2.2. why should we care about religious freedom? am i arguing that religious freedom should be promoted because it is

right through to the army and the muslim brotherhood and even the liberal opposition were fed up with the attempts to bring democracy to egypt because people realize that's not the goal the goal is to keep egypt part of the american empire as a subsidiary and a weak element and the same is what the west is trying to do with russia i make the point in my book postmodern imperialism that these countries like europe the european union japan all these countries are subservient they're called the so-called post-modern states they no longer neutered they no longer have foreign policies they do with the u.s. asked them to do and russia was supposed to become part of this club this subservient club and join egypt join let the poland and its refused to do that and so anything that happens in the russian elections in a matter of god an honest eighty percent that would just be scoffed at and dismissed because it russia is not playing by the scenario that the u.s. has for the world today given what you think about russia's not russia's not playing by the rules go ahead gilbert jump in i want to p

you know, the muslim brotherhood would take over. and he would paint these scary scenarios. you know, i would explain to him, you know, it's hard to see how if things didn't change that he wouldn't face that anyway. well in, this particular case in this conversation, you know, the president was trying to persuade him. and he came back to the president and said you don't understand my people. you will see this will all blow away in a few days. and the president literally said, was saying to him, you know, what if you're wrong? you know, you could be wrong. he said -- and mubarak said, no, no, you don't understand. the president said let's talk gh again in 24 hours. let's just see. he said, no, let's do several days. and, you know, there was just -- he was living in a world of complete denial. i will say this -- after he made his initial speech, we got a lot of feedback from a lot of the people in the opposition that that night after he made the initial speech where he talked about leaving, he talked about waiting until september, he made it clear his son would not -- the fami

pushing people towards a more conservative position and that meant the moderate muslim brotherhood benefited greatly because they were provoked and just the same idea i mean i just put it in different words i mean at the silent majority came out and voted is that what you're saying. yes and also people were voting for what they saw as their interests and in both cases i think it's people are worried about stability and are worried about corruption and i think that this will make or break the next four years if it has put its center stage to go against corruption we now have transparent elections we've got the same thing happening in egypt the muslim brotherhood and the salahi's say we've had enough of this corruption and we also now have transparent elections so i think it's very interesting to compare the two cases ok and i go now to brussels to goober doctorow gilbert i mean how do you see this election here because i watched western media very closely and they did try to discredit this election and the russian people in the process because they actually went to the polls turnout is very v

you mention of america you call it a mess in egypt with these recent democratic elections the muslim brotherhood voted in by the majority is it just simply a case of contrasting ideologies here. hey listen elections are very important for democracy but elections are not i mean a election is not. something that if it is done it means democracy you see what happened in egypt there islam. the religion took place and this small liberal party is that they came to into being in the last few months we did they did you have to did you young people who demonstrated in the streets they could not they were able to perswade the egyptians to vote for them because in the last thirty forty fifty fifty years egyptian did not understand didn't know what was what is what was democracy what is democracy they did their love with me gyptian was done even through mubarak period through slum to religion you see on one side you have the muslim brothers penetrating into the society on the other side. in the textbook of the schools from the elementary school to to the high school islam was teach is the most important val

remains to be seen will it be a democratic will there be democratic impulses i doubt it the muslim brotherhood is well organized to take control of the country ok maybe. for me please tell the leader four years ago what i need what have you when you speak to listen to everyone what if the muslim brotherhood has come to power in syria democratically then we have to accept the outcome right however exactly and this is really the matter is how but what are you saying is you don't like the current government in syria but potential future government in syria and other words this isn't about democracy is most about what the syrian people themselves want is about what the americans want and that is not acceptable and people who say no that's not going to hurt in the eleven look let me go in that you make three thousand three thousand i'm going to chime in here i'm going to do is sure after a ballot and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on the situation in syria and stay parking. if you can. i. can still. welcome back to crossfire i'm curious about the true mind you were talking abo

remains to be seen will it be a democratic will there be democratic impulses i doubt it the muslim brotherhood is well organized to take control of the country ok maybe. they will be worried his army military police a little bit of order here is what i need what have you to speak to listen i'm not really what if the muslim brotherhood does come to power in syria democratically then we have to accept the outcome right herbert exactly and this is really the matter is hope but what are you saying is you don't like the current government in syria but potentially feature government in syria and other was this isn't about some not to say it's not about what the syrian people themselves well it's about what the americans were and i'm not it's not acceptable and people who say no that's now we heard the nine eleven look let me go in there you made three thousand three thousand feet i'm going to jump in here i'm going to how do i sure are a comment and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on the situation in syria straight talking. you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so blea

remains to be seen will it be a democratic will there be democratic impulses i doubt it the muslim brotherhood is well organized to take control of the country ok maybe. a little early for military families time later or years ago when i knew what he was making want to listen to out of iran like what if that of muslim brotherhood does come to power in syria democratically then we have to accept the outcome right herber exactly the way the matter is how but what you saying is you don't like the current government in syria but you don't like the potential future government in syria and the other was this isn't about tomorrow say it's most about what the syrian people themselves well it's about what the americans want unlike is more acceptable than people that say no no that's not how i want universal laws that look let me learn that even for a thousand francs thousand i'm going to chime in here i'm going to have to wear short break comment and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on the situation in syria stay arctic. if. you want. world. technology innovation all the rest of bel

problem however is what is the aftermath if in fact assad is deposed what actually occurs is the muslim brotherhood that takes over and yet it gets yet another foot half foot the put lock in and that part of the world or in fact does do the democratic forces emerge there are a lot of competing interests russia obviously has a warm water port in syria and would like to see. see the retention of assad you have the chinese playing a role there as well so it's a very very complicated situation where senator mccain has called for military action on the part of the united states and its allies i doubt very much whether that will occur in large part because we are very much concerned about what happens after assad if indeed there is an after assad ok here and i'm glad you're thinking about the aftermath because that's what i always think about lucy if i can go to you i mean the peace process there if we can recall the peace process it least there is the interest to get the indigenous parties on the ground or start talking it may be too late but a lot of people would say and myself included it's never too

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it's going to be difficult for the muslim brotherhood to gain victory in syria. from an israeli point of view, let us go. >> then let be specific. how can they get rid of this? is military intervention something that should be considered? >> i think military intervention would be very difficult there. and we would lose the world coalition that we put together with the tragic exception of china and russia to support regime change. i did suggest that the example of yemen might be worth looking at. six months ago i would have said yemen was the most dangerous place on earth. that's will ever he took down al aki and inspiring some in our country to engage in acts of violence. but in addition to that, what twe did was help broker personal immunity for the 40-year dictator in yemen. i'm persuaded he committed war crimes against his part-time. the better course was to get him out of there. he's now headed to exile. there's been an election of his former vice president who has universal acceptance in the country. the acts of violence have stopped, more or less. the unite

it is a very complicated situation, we would not like to see the muslim brotherhood come to power.be working very closely with the opposition and syria. we ought to be arming the opposition today and we should be working closely with them to ensure the muslim brotherhood does not follow. >> we talked a little bit about hezbollah, syria, and iran. the jewish state faces a threat to from hamas. >> i do not think i've every -- i've never been asked to speak for the palestinian authority. i do not know what his thinking is. i think it is absolutely clear that the message from washington, d.c., publicly, must be that the palestinians will never have estates if they have terrorists and their government. -- a state if they have terrorists in their government. >> can israel be expected to negotiate with a palestinian government? >> no, absolutely not. i disagree a bit about this administration focusing only on containing israel. i think this administration has done more than any in history to help israel protect yourself. there is a 10-year $30 billion military commitment, $3.1 billion in

yes, the muslim brotherhood won more votes than any other party. is that any surprise? president mubarak had a short- sighted policy of consciously oppressing in the centrist, democratic, secular parties. he made war on them all and created a situation where it was either the mubarak party or it was the brotherhood, which was the only used for expressing the sense. it is not a surprise to say it emerged as a champion of the revolution even though it was made by a lot of the younger men and women in the streets. there is a lot to be said for this revolution, for what it has done. i think we have to understand that if because the party has muslim or islamic in its name, you are not going to do with it, and we are going to take ourselves out of the game in most of these middle eastern countries. the issue is, can we work with these parties and can we encourage them to be what is the most important thing, which is, can we encourage them to be pluralistic in includes the parties that are committed over the long term to democracy? i think that is the challenge. i was on a pan

who was a peace calm honest guy muslim brotherhood. the not over former. member before was. also if the syrian opposition desperately trying to bridge their own divisions turkish government is now left in a difficult situation truth is more after these things that the orbs are the only thing the thirty can push is a regime change otherwise it's not his capacity to one or into the arab world to syria will be very very you know constrained and as take he gives that for the meeting when it comes to understanding the complex syrian crisis and take his role in it based still left to guess what's really going on behind closed doors to turkey to once again emerge is a major regional power syria is certainly creating a tad being seen very much to lead the way in applying pressure. that an end to violence. they hade to take his government's way it will move now to heat a confrontation with the syrian army and the escalation of the lady incredibly volatile regional situation. i think it's that. professor steven. the university of san francisco believes that the worst possible outcome

first of all the muslim brotherhood if they stop. political parties to express their points of view i think this is their natural right to do so when they have equal rights as if every other libyans has for mr jellied when he expresses his point of view he expresses his point of view as an individual and his point of view inflicts only his feeling that his perspective you know but it's not. commanding or it's not necessarily binding for the rest of the society how do you consider the victory of the national transitional council and those who fought against the gadhafi regime and that victory play into islamists hands does that bother you. wait and see for the elections were the results are going to be in oh i think the libyan case might be a different case from what took place we tend to knees i don't think that. islam or group political groups you know have a strong impact because they do win should turn to the. libya might be an exception in this trend so let us wait and see them i'm not quite confident that they're good they're go

first of all the muslim brotherhood of the. political parties to express their points of view i think this is their natural right to do so with and they have as if every other libyans has for mr is a leader when he express his point of view he has his point of view as an individual and his point of view reflects only his feeling that his perspective you know what it's not. commanding or it's not necessarily buying the for the rest of the society i do you consider the victory and the national transitional council and those who fought against the gadhafi regime did that victory play into islamists hands does that bother you. plus we can see for the elections what the results are going to be and no i think the libyan case might be a different case from what took place we tend to in these i don't think that. group sort of political groups you know have a strong impact as they do when tend to need. libya might be an exception in this train so let us wait and see and i'm not quite confident the they're going to do as well as they did

s agree that half the panel will hear from the parliament where the muslim brotherhood has a majority of seats this all happens exactly a year after a historic referendum paving the way for a reshuffle of power in the country but is already is really to reports it hasn't yet produced the change directions had been hoping for. could be a poster boy for egypt's revolution young educated a t.v. talk show host and politically active he was among those whose protests on few square toppled the regime of president mubarak last year but like many others who were on the streets with him he doesn't feel things in egypt have changed for the best result. we were in against mubarak is a person we were against the whole system against oppression and injustice and scarcity were proved lucian their actions should apply in the same chick meek's usenet here. the ruling military council caffe replaced hosni mubarak who rejections accused of corruption and nepotism economic mismanagement and human rights abuse but a thorough look at the gas policies and build a situation eerily similar if not worse now y

s argued half the panel will be chosen from within parliament where the muslim brotherhood holds the majority of seats this is all our year after a historic referendum that pin of the way for a reshuffle of power in the country but as our kids are really delusional reports it hasn't yet produced the change most egyptians had been hoping for. how delhi mother could be opposed to a boy for egypt's revolution young educated a t.v. talk show host and politically active he was among those whose protests on the two square toppled the regime of president mubarak last year but like many others who were on the streets with him he doesn't feel things in egypt have changed for the best result. we were in against mubarak as a person we were against the whole system against oppression and justice a lot of scare so they were program illusion their actions sure they are applying the same techniques used by him or. the ruling military council or scouts replaced hosni mubarak who rejections accused of corruption and nepotism economic mismanagement and human rights abuse but a thorough look at scarfs

reportedly calling on the military rulers to dissolve the newly elected commission saying the muslim brotherhood are trying to use the process as a power grab and he's agreed half the panel will be chosen from within the parliament where the muslim brotherhood holds a majority of seats but it's all happening exactly a year after a storage referendum that paved the way for a reshuffle of power in the country as are he's really delusional reports it hasn't yet produced change that egyptians have been hoping. khalid to lima could be a poster boy for egypt's revolution young educated a t.v. talk show host and politically active he was among those whose protests on the two square toppled the regime of president mubarak last year but like many others who were on the streets with him he doesn't feel things in egypt have changed for the best. we were in against mubarak as a person we were against the whole system against oppression and justice a little scarce so they were programmed aleutian their actions sure they are applying the same techniques used by her. the ruling military council or staff replac

boy who was this communist muslim brotherhood. member look forward to this. also. by the syrian opposition desperately trying to bridge their own divisions take his government's now left in a difficult situation for his more patient after these things that people observe the only team that thirty can push is a regime change otherwise in turkey his capacity to one or into the arab world through syria will be very very you know constrained and as take he gears up for the meeting. when it comes to understanding the complex syrian crisis and take his role in it still left to guess what's really going on behind closed doors that's a key to once again is a major regional powers syria is certainly freezing its has been feeling very much the way in applying pressure. to the violence that many here in the turkish government also the wrong move now could lead to a confrontation with the syrian army and the escalation of an already incredibly volatile regional situation surface. istanbul. the head of the conference u.s. secretary of state hillary clinton visited saudi arabia