this one is regarding the muslim brotherhood. he indicated the muslim brotherhood is visible and quite active in different countries in the arab world. been some reaction recently, regionally, and internationally, and even here domestically in the united in congress to outlaw, if you will, the brotherhood in this country, or calls to put it on a terrorist list, and so on. are there external or international players that are pushing this policy? sure. khashoggi's death is withininto this cold war the arab world regarding the role of the muslim brotherhood. countriese, you have that have a muslim brotherhood presence and their parliaments in kuwait, jordan, and morocco, and on the other side, you have the saudis and egyptians who are anti-muslim brotherhood. and i think we have seen news reports suggesting that this was a muslim brotherhood plot, and you see this intersection of ofctors -- intersection actors, to discredit the information and suggested is a muslim brotherhood plot. it does have some traction within certain circles

on the one side you have the qataris and other countries who have a muslim brotherhood presidents in their parliaments in kuwait, jordan, and morocco, and on the other side, you have the saudi's, is shins and emma and -- the saudis emiratis who are the he mentally anti-muslim -- who are vehemently anti-muslim brotherhood. and i think we have seen news reports suggesting that this was a muslim brotherhood plot, and of see this intersection actors, to discredit the information and suggested is a muslim brotherhood plot. it does have some traction within certain circles and the in the united states. within a certain part of the republican party that is very suspicious of islamists, and including within the trump administration. but having served in the u.s. government, the challenge for the obstacle to designate a the muslim brotherhood was that the lawyers cannot make the case. there wasn't sufficient evidentiary basis. this is the united states and the rule of law applies, and in order to take action there needs to be sufficient evidence in order to support it in the courts. that is no

if there are key adversaries the muslim brotherhood wants an islamic republican model the u.a.e. and the saudis are threatened by that because they want an islamic monarchy and so they feel challenged at the same time in yemen the saudis in the u.a.e. have been assisted by the islam he's in their campaign to take the southern city of god and from the who so the it's like he's were actually allies of convenience with the d's and the saudis and then the go ahead and carry out this assassination campaign because of a lot of factors the a slice and the people in the south in general in yemen who are sunni are getting tired of seeing these foreign invaders come in and take over their sea parts sea ports like the m.r.i. adiz there's pressure to get them out these assassinations of been revealed by this immorality group and we're going to see more fish years on the ground between us law and its supporters who are a key part of the saudi u.a.e. coalition and that actually is going to this story could actually change the dynamics of the war in yemen i think that's what's significant here

because they see him as representing the muslim brotherhood or turkey or or qatar so if you look at the egyptian media which i've been following loosely for the last few days they've been there they're not exactly pro you know freedom of the press they're not pro dramatic kushal congi and they've launched into you know an array of sort of conspiracy theories about about what may have happened so that's kind of the surrounding context here self sense oriel i mean that's something the journalists you know have probably quite rightly taking into consideration want to bring in a guest. in london hey there is this thing about the arab journalist being self censoring themselves but why are the arab governments remaining so silent thank you very much what it does get it of course this it would ease have been taking their lead in the diplomacy. of the arab world for the past thirty years in fact they have been trying to replace them out of the nonsense who died in one thousand seventy as the leader of the other word and of course in the last few years they have invested heavily in recruiting th

now the muslim brotherhood of the arch enemy of the saudis they'd like to see the kingdom overthrown they'd like to see a strict islamist government put in there so the saudis fear the muslim brotherhood and a lot of other arab countries are no fans of the muslim brotherhood remember morsi and egypt so there's all kinds of speculation here but again you know we're presented with a he was a journalist he was working in america for the washington post and we should react accordingly there's got to be more to his background i mean he was a big supporter of the kingdom for decades before he allegedly objected and went into self-imposed exile over the prince's crackdown. about a year ago so you know inquiring minds want to know and question more and that's what that's what you're doing right here and one of the interesting things as many in the mainstream media know to be as an american permanent resident but there are questions as well about how you actually obtained his green green card you know obviously he has ties to the bin laden family as a journalist like to study. bin laden and h

. >> that's iffy to say he was tied to the muslim brotherhood. >> what was it then? hroughout his career he was a government spokesperson for the royal family. he worked for the prince in washington, d.c. and at times had written and worked with some muslim brother members in saudi arabia. but he was always a spokesman or a journalist. >> muslim brotherhood. >> so he's been tied up -- >> i just want to put it out there because it is in the constellation of things. >> people are using that to discredit him. i'm not saying you are. some are and i don't like that. >> i think some of his tweets showed situation think to the muslim brotherhood as well. >> u.s. intelligence agencies believe it is inconceivable that saudi crown prince sa man has no connection to jamal kashoggi's killing. government officials also tell nbc news that they still don't have any smoking gun evidence that the crown prince ordered kashoggi killed. still, there's strong circumstantial evidence that agents of the 15-member saudi team accused of killing kashoggi have close ties to mbs. three people te

lou: yeah, the muslim brotherhood, which is little understood in this country i think it's fair to say. i'm talking about on capitol hill, people who were doing president obama's bidding, trying to intervene with the government in egypt. even as he was forming the government, urging 10% to their dispatched envoys he wanted 10% of that government to be muslim brotherhood. this from a man who had done nothing but create terrific turmoil for the egyptians. what do you make of the relationship than between re-odd and a trump administration? this president is being very outspoken, talking about severe punishment. it is rising to a level that i think most what is not expected. >> severe punishment means if it appears that the saudi government or part of the saudi government on purpose wanted to assassinate mr. khashoggi the way it appears that the brotherhood are displayed in it. that is a big difference. of course the brotherhood here in town you have the camp of many members of congress. not many, a few and many in the opposition and of course the obama administration consider the brotherh

it is true as a student he did have some brief relationship with the muslim brotherhood. whether you consider the muslim brotherhood to be a terrorist organization is another story but i can say that i've known jamaal for the last several years and is whatever association he might have had in the past was no longer a factor. he was not part of the muslim brotherhood. >> host: your thoughts on some of the news about how saudi arabia is pulling back some of its ambassadors. this report from the independent, the turkish foreign ministry calling saudi ambassadors back to turkey. reports that the saudi ambassador to the united udstates left the us last week. what do you make of those reports?>> guest: it's interesting. there's a big question out there about whether or not the saudi ambassador here who's a full brother of the crown prince has only returned to the kingdom temporarily or has hedeparted permanently . other diplomats have gone home. one doesn't really know, it could just be for consultations or be because they don't want people who might have some implication in al

he was a radical muslim brotherhood they wouldn't let him do that. he was an adviser to the former intelligence minister. i guess i'm trying to figure out what's changed and do you think that crown prince mahammad bin salman represents a different form of leadership in saudi arabia? he is the power behind the throne. how would you evaluate and describe what he's been doing? >> let me explain first, the saudi monarchy was a place of asylum for muslim brothers from the 1950s and '60s onward. many muslim brothers worked with the saudis and in fact worked with the united states in the fight against communism. bin salman has decided that relationship with the islamists, with not jihadists, but moderate mainstream islamists is unacceptable because these moderate mainstream islamists have a political agenda which is revolutionary ultimately. he has separated himself from the islamists. you can see bin salman is clamping down on all islamists inside the kingdom. he wants to get rid of their influence. that's why jamal could find no p patrona patronage inside

regime dissident insider yeah i mean he's he's been a fervent member of the muslim brotherhood something that if you mention you are part of the right wing whisper smear campaign against against him he was a real threat later he was able to play area he was involved with the cia and former saudi intelligence vice he was opposed to the most recent he was the protege of the former intelligence official of saudi arabia the head of their intelligence and since the fall of the saudi arabia's fallout with the muslim brotherhood during the arab spring he has since been excised from power and became an actual dissident against the saudi government he was also affiliated with the cia obviously the u.s. is losing here israel doesn't want to see him go the the big beneficiaries that i see. turkey which is in a type of rivalry for new autumn influence in the arab world with right with saudi arabia it's kind of the non-market monarchist political islamicists turkey the muslim brotherhood against the wall harvest absolutists and also by being defacto allied with turkey to now against saudi arabia qata

turkey the muslim brotherhood against the wall harvest absolute ists and also by being defacto allied with turkey to now again saudi arabia qatar benefits and i think you could say that russia and iran are sitting in the backward laughing. i would definitely agree with mark that turkey would be probably the biggest winner so far and. been stumbling around for the last couple of years and making mistake after mistake but in this instance i think to play their cards quite well and improve relations with the united states in the process one would could say the release of that pastor yes and then. i guess but at the same time putting the united states in a bit of a difficult position. they deliberately began leaking this quite slowly you know first giving you enough time for the saudis driven. giving enough time for the saudis to say that no you actually left the consulate and leaving enough time for trying to. leave the saudis and then the next information comes out where they actually leaked will say that they have the audiotapes and the saudi has to change your story trying to tell aga

back then the muslim brotherhood was a mostly political group in egypt.s zero evidence khashoggi did anything inappropriate. they've also tried to link him with osama bin laden. back then he was a saudi reporter following bin laden as he fought the soviets in afghanistan. many of these mujahadin, by the way, supported by the united states. that senate candidate is corey stewart, a republican in virginia who is challenging tim kaine. stewart said that khashoggi was not a good guy himself. i spoke with him just before the broadcast. when you say khashoggi was not a good guy himself, what does that mean exactly, not a good guy himself? >> anderson, there's a lot of stuff out there, sources that say that he's good, some sources that say that he's redeemed himself and he was a good guy. he's kind of a mystery man. i think the bigger question is, does the united states jeopardize the relationship with saudi arabia over this one single human rights violation. i think that would be a tremendous mistake to the united states. >> is he really that much of a mystery

have a distinction between the gulf monarchies particularly and a more populist base like the muslim brotherhood that everyone is close to and let's remember that for a long time one of the one the ultimate enemy was leftist baathism in communism the saudis the other gulf states supported the muslim brotherhood but with them with the arab spring they began to say you know this whole populous thing is sort of get out of out of control and being a monarch may not necessarily be the best place to be if these people take power so i think there's that sense that that. it is pretense to become the new sunni soltan of the sultan of the sunni world can use a more of a populist campaign against people like the saudis so they cut off their support say they're terrorists that cetera et cetera so i think there is that distinction between them and there's a lot going on on. so this sort of soup of the middle east is that you know saudi arabia and iran they're saudi arabia saying we don't mean iran zoila iran is sort of laughing at them do you think this has anything since i think i think has something to do

but khashoggi was tied to the muslim brotherhood. >> that's iffy to say he was tied to the muslim brotherhood joining us now, alex, tell us more about this report on khashoggi's character. >> the campaign hasn't been very loud so far but it is picking up steam on the right. very few members of congress are coming out and criticizing khashoggi because of the groundswell of support he's gotten on both sides of the aisle and condemnation of saudi arabia. several members of congress have been trading articles from right-wing news sites that have been high llighting his social securities with the muslim brotherhood and bin laden. one said he advocated a pro-democracy islamist ideology. he did not deserve to die. this does whitewash some important context that informs what we do next. let's just pu pt some context around that. friends say that khashoggi went to some meetings before he stopped. some muslim brothers said they thought khashoggi continued to be with them, while others say he adopted a more secular, liberal, progressive stance. all this hasn't stopped a lot of conservative commentators

sympathy is for the muslim brotherhood which the saudis have designated a regional full a regional enemy and they expect everybody to be on their side and not but i suppose even more dangerous than that is really his his knowledge of what's going on inside the royal family having been so close to two of them in far as all the long time intelligence chief of saudi arabia who stepped down just days before nine eleven he must have known a lot of what's going on inside the one household a possible scapegoat as well. possible but on the other hand if they had wanted to set an example with his treatment than the sabahans would have done it differently they would have brought him to saudi arabia they could have done a show trial they could have given all this their own style of drama their own suspense and that's not what happened because i think there's an import went wrong in some way why they went wrong and exactly how the trumpet ministrations going to react to this case is still not clear the president has firmly back the saudi family and has pointed to a huge arms deal as an example of th

came from one of saudi arabia's most influential families as a student sympathized with the muslim brotherhood which was suppressed by the saudi royal house but he never saw himself in opposition to the monarchy even supported its efforts at reform. could his knowledge about corruption or old connections with extremists have made him a target for a hit squad. from the washington post what made the shock she so dangerous she was of course a very prominent saudi journalist but he also after his self-imposed exile he continued writing for the washington post and the washing post is published in the capital of the probably most important ally the saudis have when it comes to military support economy and so on so he was embarrassing the saudi elite the saudi leadership in the capital of one of the countries they came over most about in the world and i think that made him. especially dangerous to the saudis it's not just since this is twenty fourteen at least three other saudi critics have disappeared why is this case getting so much attention. i think that. it became important not only because he w

elections because they know they're going to lose and these are the terrorists basically the muslim brotherhood the libyan fighting group these are the people who do not want the elections and they're trying every trick in the book juridical tricks and militant attacks unfortunately however even in tripoli things have stabilized there is a ceasefire the attacking forces have withdrawn the libyan people's will as expressed in many opinion polls it was also expressed through the process of the national conference organized by the united nations and humanitarian look center and switzerland that was commissioned by the u.n. and the overwhelming opinion of the libyan people according to these surveys is that they all wanted elections because they're fed up of the of these politicians that come to power and refuse to give it up and that even if the libyans succeed in agreeing on the constitutional framework and even if they manage to you organize the voting process and those that typically have said. rivet that this. do you think though this various militia groups will recognize will on their in the

lisa, we don't have to fall down one way or the other but he was tied to the muslim brotherhood. because it is in the constellation. >> some people are -- >> to this story in frontpage magazine calling khashoggi a mud limb brotherhood pal of osama bin laden. i'm joined by david ignacius for "the washington post" and msnbc contributor and a colleague of mr. khashoggi. david, i'm trying to figure out why would it matter? if khashoggi had an association with the muslim brotherhood. does that justify killing the man? >> it's shocking to have conservative americans talking as if this part of his past in some way excuses or explains this gruesome murder. i wrote in a long piece about jamal a week ago. all those details are true. he was a muslim brother. he did know osama bin laden. what's remarkable is in the middle of his life he came to understand that violence and extremism were destroying the arab world and he became a believer in the power of journalism, the power of fact to change people. and he crusaded for it. it's unusual to look danger in the face and go ahead and he did. >>

iffy, to say that he was tied to the muslim brotherhood what was it then?th the president under fire with his muted response to the apparent murder of jamal khashoggi, the conservative kafl rcavalry is r to trump's ask you. >> >> reporter: calling the missing man a radical activist, an apologist for islamist activism. the president's own son tweeted, a democratic reformer. another conservative called him a long time friend of terrorists. >> i just want to find out what's happening. >> reporter: the president is in a tight spot. evidence is mounting against the saudi government in khashoggi's disappearance. but the saudis are also a key deployme diplomatic ally. that relationship is valuable. >> it's not something that you want to blow up willy-nilly. >> reporter: complicating the matter, the administration, with the guidance of son-in-law jared kushner, has put a lot of hope in saudi crown prince mohammed bin salman, who was hailed as a reformer. but more recently, he's criticized for his imprisonment of critics and now the question of whether he was involv

and he made great successes in benghazi and in the in getting to the of the muslim brotherhood in the libyan fighting group isis and the libyan army should be supported and built up of course we have realities on the ground in various occasions and their commanders who are strong in the west in the south and they should be incorporated in some sort of a joint command under a unified leadership can i ask you specifically about the unified libyan army because i know that filled martial hell if i have to or who commands the largest aren't force in libya today has endorsed your candidacy but the relationship between civilian and military leadership. is never easy especially in countries marred by violence or is used to take a tough authoritarian role do you envisage any challenges along that path with all due respect to maneuver politicians field-marshal you to have that expressed more keenness on the civilian oversight than any of these politicians and he has made it clear that he does when the elections to happen he's made it clear that the army will follow the orders of a civilian pres

the erdogan government has been quite sympathetic to the muslim brotherhood.was very sympathetic to the muslim brotherhood government in egypt when that was overthrown by the military ruler in egypt, a military ruler who is backed by the saudi crown prince. so this issue of political islam, the issue of the muslim brotherhood, how much power it should have has been at the center of a divide between turkey and saudi arabia. i think right now you're seeing turkey trying to use what perhaps could have been a mistake, certainly an operation that didn't go the way saudis -- the saudis thought it would, if in fact it was an operation, that the turks would be using this to gain their -- to get an advantage. and while all of these political maneuverings are happening, there's also some very interesting stuff happening that the police are doing. at the end of the day we're talking about an alleged murder. there are forensic teams under way and the focus seems to be be shifting. for the first few days this was about -- this was a who done it, who did this alleged crime.

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>> muslim brotherhood [inaudible] who do you think she is. >> i have to find out. we are going to find out a lot. we're going to find out. we will know a lot over the next two days about the saudi situation. very sad thing. any more? >> do you have any evidence that there are terrorists part of this caravan. >> you know what you should do, john, go into the middle of the caravan, take your cameras and search. okay? no, no. john, take your camera. go into the middle and search. you're going to find ms-13. you're going to find middle eastern. you're going to find everything. guess what? we are not allowing them in our country. we wants safety. >> [inaudible] i think what's going to happen. i think we are doing really well. i have never seen such spirit exception for '16. i have never seen the spirit that we have right now. i think the republicans are going to do very well. i have never seen spirit like we have. now, whether it's kavanaugh. whether it's tax cuts that we gave, whether it's common sense, i have never seen it i will tell you a big factor is what's happen