and we look of the the muslim brotherhood the muslim brotherhood yesterday. you know let me just say something i think this is a very can dissenting view of the arabs and this is a very typical kind of right wing american view on about or at least mainstream america really protests and then a little bit no let me let me just let me just finish my thought out and then you can jump in but i have to finish i had to finish my thought know people do go to bed people do go to bed thinking about democracy and arabs do go to bed thinking about freedom and their rights to express themselves and to have their own they're presented to the parliament think about it they have earned it they worry about it the whole revolution for its sake it's not about the poverty per se libya by the way libya in particular is one of the has the highest national g.n.p. in the entire continent of africa yet this still went through a process that yielded almost fifty thousand deaths obviously democracy does have a price freedom does have a price and they would do anything to get it now thi

in tunisia what we have just doesn't want to talk about it was going to let me just ask you muslim brotherhood it's very difficult understand really where they stand we hear so many different views about whether they really are radical north they are indeed moderate i mean what's your view of muslim brotherhood is it if they want to come to power good news or bad news for egypt. well look i mean i'm not a great fan of the combination of religion and politics i'm not a big fan of christian democrats for instance however there are a feature of the political landscape scamp in europe and political islam is a feature of the political landscape in the arab world and that includes the muslim brotherhood which has renounced terrorism which has embraced democracy has participated in elections so i believe that if the muslim brotherhood were to win in the elections in egypt it would not be the last elections in egypt i believe that they would play by the rules the democratic rules just briefly all those who said these revolutions in the middle east would create a vacuum which would then see those radic

, this whole muslim brotherhood thriving including on american soil. this is so much deeper than just al-qaeda. the muslim brotherhood. this is another part of this deception, armstrong. the muslim brotherhood is the granddaddy of them all when it comes to islamic jihaddist dpriewps. as i outline in the book, our administration is reaching out to the muslim brotherhood, treatening them as a moderate broker for peace, and a counter weight to al-qaeda. it sounds crazy. the muslim brotherhood is a jihaddist group, yet the administration considers them moderate and worthy of outreach. that's just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to deception. >> what about terrorist groups on american soil in. >> well, look, in the past two or three years, armstrong, we have had an explosion of home-grown terrorism. now, a lot of it has flown under the radar, but we have tens, dozens of americans, american citizens arrested on terrorism charges right here on u.s. soil in some of the most unlikely places, in the bible belt, in rural america, in the book i outline a case

then you have to muslim brotherhood. there's dozens of parties in between trying to form that don't ve their resources, the network, the knowledge about how to be effective campaigners. but the parliamentary elections will be first and then they get to the process of the constitution and in many of these countries the constitution is going to be the most important part. what we forget about iran's revotion is that for the first 18 months you had technocats running it. and it was only as they sat down to write the constitution and you saw 6,400 amendments offered to the constitution and the forces that had been united in taking on the shah, a monarchy or system of rule that prevailed for 2,500 years that you began to see the opposition fragment. and two of the parties began killing others. in the space of that year and a half, over a thousand officials 27 members of parliament, president, prime minister, all were killed and that was the moment that i tollly hoe mayny said clerics must come back. we have to supervise the p

given there is going to be an election to the parliament in which the islamic movement the muslim brotherhoods will take over enormous that was going to be elected to be depressive then is probably going to fail because the konami the situation in egypt is terrible in that is not going to be much of a good news for years so the people who expect to see the economy change to be made be very disappointed and if you ask me what is my prediction my prediction is that in the you were true there will be in another wave of them on the station but one of the flick of the for station of the people and their internet or all around the region because specifically in egypt and then when this scandal for another demonstrations begin the muslim brotherhoods will come to the people and after the being of the probably the biggest part in the parliament there was said to the egyptian people we told you there is only one solution to your problem and this is islam so my term to be a very islamic state with all the consequences not only in regard to lose the person who go probably young educators say to the peopl

given there is going to be an election to the parliament in a which the islamic movement the muslim brotherhood will take over. and almost it was going to be elected to be the president is probably going to fail because the economic situation in egypt is terrible in this is not going to be much better in the next five years so the people who expect to see cannot make change today might be very disappointed and if you ask me what is my prediction my prediction is that in a year or two there will be in the wave of them on a station that will of the flag of the frustration of the people there in egypt or all around the region because specifically and egypt and then when this kind of for another demonstrations begin the muslim brotherhoods will come to the people and after being at the probably the biggest party in the parliament there will say to the egyptian people we told you there is only one solution to your problem and this is islam so egypt my turn to be a very islam mixed it with on the consequences not only in regard to israel but also in regard to the young educated secular people of egyp

a role in it for the muslim brotherhood. but the syrian muslim brotherhood are relatively modern minded and will be i think prepared to play along with coalition politics. it will i think. be a regime which. is how shall i put it. mainly concerned with its internal problems it is not going to be a regime which indulges in adventurism views of israel or anyone else. but it will be a regime that is finding its way under very difficult circumstances and you talked about big business supporting the regime in syria but we all say see support coming from the outside particularly from iran how do you think that will play out in such an unstable region well it's one of the things that i think has been spelt inspired e.g. the saudis to come out in criticism of the regime that. they many of the governments in the middle east are profoundly worried about iran and don't like the extent to which what is happening in syria might increase iranian influence but i have to say that. the iranian government itself does not like to be seen. as b

something like the military remain in power rather than had the alternative is, which is the muslim brotherhood and the -- which would be an unmitigated disaster for the united states. so it's not a comfortable alliance we will have with them. but it's the best of a lousy alternatives. >> do you approve of what the secretary of defense says about the way the egyptians are handling this? >> i do approve of the fact that we have to -- establish a bond with the military there, as the best alternative in terms of our own interests and what i just said. >> is that what obama's thinking is on this? maintain at least some level of government, even though it's unpal atable so the secretary of state goes over and -- the secretary of defense goes over, and he spends the day there, comes back and says we are in agreement with what they're doing? >> yes, i think frankly that makes sense from the united states' national interests point of view. >> he says -- >> they're got an election coming and the strongest force in that country i believe besides the military is the muslim brotherhood. some don't want to

they are slaughtering christians in egypt because the muslim brotherhood is on the rise. this phony arab spring, yeah there were some good people that went out in the square in cairo, but the revolution in the middle east is a fascist revolution, and it spells enormous trouble and probably wore sooner rather than later. thank you all. [applause] >> for more information about the author, visit for horror which freedom center.org. will kaufman takes a look at woody guthrie throughout the depression, world war ii, the cold war, the korean korean war, the mccarthy area and the civil rights era. the sing writer -- singer songwriters best known for his song, this land is your land. this is about 45 minutes. >> good evening everyone. thank you for joining us tonight. tonight is a very special event for us. our guest will not only be talking about his new book, "woody guthrie" american radical. he will be given you an audio presentation showing images that represent the life and times of the subject and also performing some of the songs of the guthrie canon. most of us know of wo