protests sweeping the muslim world. ok see if i go back to you in seattle in our discussion here i don't hear enough about drones the palestine issue in america american troops western troops in the muslim world why does western media keep skipping that or not going in too much depth on those three topics. exactly i think i think the western media right now is going through a process of redefining the issue by putting the focus on discussions that i think are not very pertinent dealing with freedom of expression and such i think these are important issues but this is not what we are facing right now when you have millions of people protesting from synagogue to cairo to sanaa yemen to other parts of southeast asia and cross the middle east. this is collective rage against people's rights to express themselves but again it's a political underpinnings of it all the second day of the protest nato forces the u.s. forces bombed afghanistan and they killed eight afghani women how do you account for that really belong in this g

his guests to discuss how the wave of protests still sweeping across the muslim world after a week of heavy rioting crosstalk. please. if you. listen to. the low end welcome to cross talk i'm peter lavelle has the time come to leave should the protests and even violence in the arab middle east against the u.s. make washington completely rethink its engagement of the muslim world and will stay only make matters worse. if you. live. cross talk anti-american protests in the muslim world i'm joined by going to myron mines he is a professor of economic and social geography at mines university in seattle we have rooms he by route he is the editor in chief of the palestine chronicle and in washington we cross to roy goodman he is the correspondent for europe and the gulf for the mcclatchy newspapers all right gentlemen crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want if i go to you in seattle given everything that's happened recently in the last week or so when i am focusing on all the protests should be in that should the united states consider quitting the middle east

spread to libya yemen lebanon and iran in afghanistan you tube was shut down but tensions in the muslim world seem to be only increasing there has been a lot of simmering nancy american feeling right across the entire world it's there it's worse in pakistan where all showed they were ninety percent of pakistanis americans their primary an enemy america's middle of blunders and it's made enemies in the arab spring countries america helped revolutionize the line between friend and foe and this blur despite all the time and money washington has spent using the internet to promote its islam friendly foreign policy the world wide web has also served as the platform that enabled one american extremist to infuriate millions overseas and darrelle years of progress very important artsy new york. we're also closely following developments nazi dot com we want your thoughts as to who you think is to blame for the anti american violence in the arab world right now more than half oldest washington responsible this is what you're telling us you see on the screen there saying it's a blowback from america's f

president and that should change the relationship of the muslim world to the united states. guess that has not worked. he has not gotten over that yet. it shows when you had that distorted view of the world why it is impossible to formulate policies that effectively protect american interests or even american diplomats. lou: the president was rather condescending when talking with the anchors at the town hall meeting as he explained the balance of the checks and balances of american government. where is congress, where is the oversight here, bob, when it comes to foreign policy and what is transpiring and, for that matter, where is governor romney? >> we certainly would like to hear a strong rebuttal to this. yesterday the senate committee heard from the fbi director and the director of counterintelligence, counterterrorism. they both basically said this problem is getting much worse than it has in the past. international terrorism and even home grown terrorism. the president ever from the very beginning is crumbling before our very eyes. i would hope that mr. romney would se

he says the muslim world -- the muslim world cannot have it both ways.e center of political life and in extreme cases political violence while at the same time declaring that the religion is off-limits to contestation and ridicule. is there a belief in the muslim world you can't disorderly conduct u-- you can have it bot ways that the prophet muhammad cannot be depicted in any way at all? is it a sense the muslim world wants it both ways? >> i don't think ronger cohen is being fair or accurate. the prophet muhammad is a deeply contested figure. most of the dageer divisions in islam today have to do with interpreting the prophet muhammad's legacy. i think the difference here is the caricatures being made are blatantly offensive. it's not about meaningful criticism and debate. it's about mockery and humiliation. for a small percentage of muslims, a small percentage, that kind of caricature and mockery is not separate from the country of treatment their countries and societies have received. for egyptians storming the u.s. embassy, is it about the prophet m

the muslim world -- the muslim world cannot visit both ways. cannot place islam at the center of political light and in extreme cases political violence while at the same time declaring that the religion is off-limits to contestation and ridicule. is there a belief in the muslim world that you can't have -- can you have it both ways? that the prophet mohammed or cannot in any way be depicted at all? is it a sense that the muslim world wants it both ways? >> i don't think roger cohen is being fair and accurate. prophet mohammed is a deeply contested figure. most religions have to do with interpreting his legacy. i think the difference here is that the caricatures are offensive. it's about mockery and humiliation. for a small percentage of muslims and i have to underline that a very small percentage that, type of mockery is not inseparatable from the type of treatment that the societies received. so for egyptians storming the u.s. embassy, is it really about the prophet mohammed or what they perceive american foreign policy to be? i do agree that

i think based on what's happening across the muslim world, the overwhelming majority are not willing on the streets to either protest peacefully or violently. we're looking at a violent radical fringe, unfortunately. >> do you think muslims worldwide think it's okay to depict the prophet muhammad? >> i don't think they agree with the ability to depict him, but a lot of shia muslims, for example, don't have the same taboo around depicting muhammad images. this are also movies made about the prophet's life and sacred figures in islamic thought this has more do with political grievances, anger, democratization, opening up a political process for the first time and really these are societies where people are beginning to see their chance to really influence society in the state. so it's going to be messy along the way. this is unfortunately a bump along the road to more democratic and sophisticated conversations. >> great conversation. thank you very much. >>> we have heard from the muslim. next, it's the christian's and the jew's turn. then if you had a question you didn't ask because y

the muslim world cannot have it both ways.islam at the center of political life and in extreme cases political violence while at the same time declaring that the religion is off limits to contestation and ridicule. is there a belief in the muslim world that you can have it both ways, that the profit muhammad cannot in any way be depicted at all is it a sense that the muslim world wants it both ways? >> i don't think he is being fair or accurate. most of the major divisions in islam between sunnis and shias have to do with the muhammad legacy. it's not about meaningful criticism and debate and it's about mockery and humiliation, and i have to underline a small percentage of muslims, that is not separatable from the kind of countries they receive. is it really about the profit muhammad or what they perceive foreign policy to be. those are questions we have not separated ouin our heads. i do agree there needs to be more of a conversation about religion and a moronest conversation, and we will see that happen as we said it spread

the muslim world. the government in libya has been very clear against the attacks, apologizing to the u.s. for the libyans who participated in the killing of the americans. why? and they know we were on their side in the uprising against gaddafi. the people rising up against al- assad do not know that. the moderate islamist government was elected in tunisia and has been outspoken in support of the u.s.. that is one way to break through this perplexing anti-american feeling in the muslim world. >> of light to turn to a major national security threat -- i'd like to turn to a major national security threat that could overtake terrorism. that is the cyber threat. lately there have been increased reports of cyber activity coming out of iran aimed at critical secretaries in the united states. how concerned are you about that increased activity? what can you tell us about it in are after andt they how serious it is/ >> first as you know, we are under constant cyber attacks, including the large part of our inf

if i'm reaching out to the muslim world, they understand that i have lived in a muslim country. a christian, but i also understand their point of view. i think that the world will have confidence that i am listening to them. and that our future an our security is tied up with our ability to work with other countries in the world. that will ultimately make us safer. that is something that this administration has failed to understand. >> dana: i strongly disagree with, but anyway, greg, how is that working out for him? >> greg: not well. we replaced exceptionalism with emotionalism. we're at the mercy of the-ered outrage created by a marginal video 90% of the population hasn't seep or cared about. we should operate on fear and not feelings. when we're feared the world is a better place. >> dana: it's chutzpah to suggest that all of a sudden things will get better. if you are such a learned scholar, after decades of hatred this is building up, how is one day, one president going to change it in two years? >> andrea: he thought he could give a speech in cairo of all places, and his

muslim community worldwide about how they want to be defined. let the radicals define us or stand up and say they don't realize us. bill maher was saying over the worldlims agree with the shocking statements unless he has evidence to back it up, because it is a true indictment, because every muslim i know does not support killing people. >> and i believe that whether it is accurate or not, i believe that many americans feel the way that bill maher feels. >> i agree with you. >> and in film and television and today i have done a lot of reading and watched two documentaries and saw one done right after 9/1 19/11 where thes a gallup poll where there was 54% of muslims who believe there was no justification for 9/11 and the rest were nebulous and no comment and no feeling about it and then 7% said, yes, absolute justification. so that is a huge number of 1 bill yion people who believe the is justification for that type of action, and that is what bill maher is talking about. >> well, if you want to say, and i'm not sure what the number is and that was right after 9/11, but a few of the muslims who are radical and violent and vie haddists, maybe that is a

spread to libya yemen lebanon and iran in afghanistan due to bush shutdown but tensions in the muslim world seem to be only increasing there has been a lot of simmering nancy american feeling right across the entire world it's their worst. we're all show that we're ninety percent of pakistanis americans the primary enemy america's middle of blunders and it's. then abuse in the arab spring countries america helped revolutionize the line between friend and foe has blurred despite all the time and money washington has spent you see me internet to promote its for the friendly part of the policy the world wide web also serves as the platform that enabled one american extremists to infuriate millions overseas and the real heroes of progress marina poured ny artsy me on and the u.s. secretary of defense leon panetta admitted that washington expects the protests to continue less violently journalist and broadcaster neil clark says america should have seen this coming. remember the old saying you reap what you sow and the us are reaping what it's so that sit back to two thousand and eleven the u.s.

shows that, you know, this is not just a religious question but whenever you are dealing with the muslim world that religion and politics are intermarried and one thing is going to affect the other so this is not just about christians versus muslims or jews versus muslims. i mean, this is about egypt versus the united states. it takes on a whole new meaning when you get into this arena. >> and many of them apparently don't have much of an understanding of the role of free speech in this country. >> well, this has been a big international debate. i was actually at a conference a couple years ago with journalists talking about this notion of defamation of religion and should it be criminalized. there's been a movement in the u.n. to actually make it a crime to defame someone's religion and a lot of people don't see insulting someone's religion as free speech and we might say here in the united states, "well, i don't like that, but that's free speech." but in other contexts they see religion as something different and it's not free speech in their minds to do something offensive but you know for

and she american fury flaring across the muslim world for a second fight in a row as casualties mount and protests raged across the region. also angry georgian crowds keep up the pressure over the prison abuse scandal while the man who leaked the footage of the jail guard brutality speaks to the. graphic greece police investigate dozens of politicians for embezzled money to the tax evasion crowd while the country braces for the latest verdict on its love. watching r.t. live from moscow at eight pm my name's kevin irwin first this friday evening the day of prayer in the muslim world once again been dominated by anti-american anger over the film which mocks islam the main flashpoint today is pakistan deadly clashes there between police and protesters who are trying to reach the american embassy in islamabad at least fifteen people have reportedly been killed more than a hundred wounded across the country security offices in using tear gas and firing warning shots to try to disperse the violent mobs this chaos come to spite the government declaring friday a public holiday and encouraging

spread to libya yemen lebanon and iran in afghanistan due to push shut down but tensions in the muslim world seem to be only increasing there has been a lot of simmering nancy american feeling right across the entire world it's their worst in pakistan where polls show there were ninety percent of pakistanis americans their primary an enemy america's net lot of bloggers and it's made in the arab spring countries america helped revolutionize the line between friend and foe has blurred despite all the time and money washington has spent using the internet to promote its a lot of friendly foreign policy the world wide web also served as the platform that enabled one american extremist to infuriate millions overseas in the real years of progress. r.t. me and the u.s. secretary to france leon panetta admitted washington expects and is preparing for the process to continue journalism klug says america should have seen it coming. remember the old saying you reap what you sow and the us a reaping what it sold that sent back to february two thousand and eleven the u.s. took nato in the attack on iraq

president obama is using a soft power approach with the muslim world and was worth trying. did everything he could to convince muslims that americans are not their enemy. sadly he has not convinced them. millions of muslims continue to hate the u.s.a. as the recent muslim assaults on america prove. even in the fails of that, the obama administration doesn't want to change course. here is what u.n. ambassador susan rice said about the assassination of the american ambassador to libya. what our assessment is as of the president is in fact what began spontaneously in benghazi as a reaction to what had transpired some hours earlier in cairo. >> spontaneously. that is not what intelligence agencies are saying. even the president of libya sees it differently. specific date for this so-called demonstration. i think we have no -- this leaves us with no doubt that this is preplanned. >> all right. the date, of course, september 11th. once again the obama administration seems befuddled by muslim violence which is growing. afghanistan now in peril. iran spitting in the eye of america

world. no, the muslim set fire to muslim world. >> andrea: but don't forget this is embarrassing to the administrationda had better intelligence than we did. eight weeks before a presidential election, successful terrorist attack when we drop the ball does not look good for the president. that's why they keep making an issue of the video. >> bob: we want to encourage people with the free speech they want. in a reasonable world, would we want to encourage people to do this film when we know the results -- hold on. >> greg: you can't be unreasonable. >> dana: i think that the administration should demand that sony cancel the release of the killing bin laden film or you don't know what will happen. how many americans could die after that? >> eric: if you tell that man he or anybody else can't make a film like this -- >> bob: nobody said -- i didn't say he couldn't make it. shouldn't. shouldn't. i don't think he should have. >> eric: that's right. >> bob: of course he has the right heto do it. you also have the right to yell "fire" in a theater. >> dana: you have a right to protest but you don't have a ri

us because those people were symbols of the united states government which is regarded in the muslim world as an aggressive islamic force or at least in that part in the past of the islamic world tom if you look at the polls seventy five to eighty percent regard u.s. foreign policy as an attempt to destroy islam or to harm islam there's a great difference in the muslim world although the many of our politicians speak as if muslims are too dumb to be able to draw the line between americans as people in the u.s. government when you travel in the muslim world in american person is generally treated with great cordiality but the destroy this taste and distrust for our government is very great and i would say one thing for cory byrd suggest one thing i think this is directly in the hands of the muslim community i thought it was a travesty when. the leaders of the muslim community did not go up to those hearings that mr king or congressman king had and explained very clearly on television into the media that the problem that the muslim community has in how it's youngsters are influenced is your

alter all of the real documentary says the sentiment is mirrored in the muslim world. yes well almost all the. exists in wall close like in the middle east there. are not and so i think there's a lot of water that needs to be warm. to swallow the serious warming was i think what this was those images look we see. the question why they hate us it's all they're so like get with free fall in love with all these. photos against them that quote this is green it's what we do all do that we all see the wrong with the invasion of iraq your cousins and off on this all the arabs it's really the studio and the shoe and so it's the who are all in with the wall and the if you believe. america is the suits it does not for real value of all the seats in the region. video pictures on the full spectrum of opinion on the global islamic protests all at r.t. dot com there you can also find out more about the aggressive stops hillary clinton has promised to protect u.s. embassies abroad all that and more at r.t. dot com. to the conflict in syria now the u.k.'s foreign secretary william hag

policy in the muslim world could prevent advanced at this stage from unraveling. this is actually a demonstration of the pent up feelings that the muslims have throughout all of these years that harbored against very hostile american policies the muslim world and i think for anyone who is taking a very close look at this it would realize that this is only the tip of the iceberg it should become a very instructive lesson for us diplomats and officials to gauge the debt and the range of wrath and rage that the muslims have across the world towards the united states policies and i don't think we could refer to any one policy that is positive constructive and progressive him in aiding from washington towards anywhere in the mostly in realm that includes the whole swath of countries extending from indonesia to morocco there's not one example that the united states can demonstrate in its far as goodwill towards the muslims. while on tortilla com for more on the anti-american global rallies including reports that u.s. intelligence has been warned that the country's embass