this is not necessarily about religious muslims these are people who would self identify as muslim so that could mean in terms of ethnicity or in terms of social grouping this is not necessarily a religious demarcation so the number of religious muslims is likely much less you know muhammad if i say within your ok go ahead finish up go ahead. i would just want to point out that within europe the changes that would take place between twenty ten and twenty thirty will differ from country to country this isn't going to be a sort of an even sweep mohamed if i can go to you you know looking at this pew research you could actually come to use it whatever. you want to i mean you can say oh my goodness the population growth is here and they really go into great detail is that we look they look at the demographics we look at a certain generation there can be if i can use the term prolific in their in their in their growth but then that's going to slow down dramatically after two thousand and thirty just because different groups are in different demographic waters but nonetheless looking at thi

been muslims have been muslims in bosnia and that's all what we know about it and they were there because of there was many compiler wasn't allowed in so many places they were if you all are this is the point peter that the friend from from the from cooper nagin some somehow thinks that the bosnia war was caused by the bosnian muslims and no bite and nobody deserves it demonstrates to you his agenda is about opposing islam opposing muslims always constantly attacking our faith i don't know you need to produce if he's an associate himself if you are so she eighteen yourself would to serbians if you associate yourself with the massacres and the genocide that was committed bosnia then that shows your true colors this is not what it's about that could. be a hero after a short break we'll continue our discussion on muslim population growth stay with arkie. you. steve. discoveries to be. communicated with the wind. and they come to. see what nature can give you. the you. if you. want to. welcome back our computer remind you we're speaking about muslim demographics. and you. but first let's see

spock's concerns for some claiming the growth rate of muslims will double complete at the non muslims over the next twenty years researchers suggest immigration and hot fertility rates are the reasons but will this date apostates lambe a phobia already high around the world the public opinion agency live out of santa russia as they consider this land to be an aggressive. religion fifty percent of the respondents said they do in another forty percent do not agree with that statement still the question today is what approach should be taken to face this changing reality. ok it was with brussels i'd like to go to you and i to kind of change gears here because i think it's something that's being over missed in this report is what spiked my interest in it in considering the when we look at demographics of this report but we look at politics as well and we've seen politics very polarized into the euro europeans are sort of the european aspect of this but you know if you look at you know you could say sixty percent of the population is small anywhere but if they become politically active the

she said muslim and he said muslim is a piece of cloth. i am a muslim. let me just quote him. >> is it practiced differently a round of the u.s. depending upon the village, the culture, the setting in which they lived? >> this is a great question and again, we need to step back and not look at muslims as a monolith. we drew three categories and these are the african americans, these are the original muslims and in fact i called in the first muslims in the united states. they are american. they have lived here for centuries. they are a part of this culture. they have contributed to the and i don't have to remind you we have the first african-american descendant in the white house and the contribution to every field of the human endeavor is remarkable, so these are american muslims, the african-americans. then you have the immigrant muslims. i am talking of the differences in terms of the muslim community. the immigrants are quite distinct so you have immigrants from the middle east, immigrants from south asia, you may have some from malaysia, indonesia. n

many are worried muslim brotherhood. they want to establish islamic states. >> reporter reporter: hundreds of thousands want change. egypt's vice president, omar suleiman -- muslim brotherhood it is now becoming a political issue here in the u.s. house majority leader erick cantor says stop the spread of islam. that is where the focus should be. >> growing number of percent people are growing concerned about the muslim brotherhood gaining influence in a new egyptian government saying jihad is the way. >> jihad for allah, a muslim brotherhood writes is not limited to the specific region of the countries. muslim homeland is 1 and not divided and continue to be raised with the help of allah until every inch of the land will be liberated. michael youssef pastors a church in atlanta. he tells cbn news, he dreads egypt being under the muslim brotherhood. >> god may have mercy on all of us, christians, israel, the west, and going to lose an incredible powerful ally. it will be like a domino, going to start falling, jordan and a

muslim brotherhood? >> the us doesn't understand the muslim brotherhood, at least not yet. >> reporter: egypt's revolution may have been ignited by young, secular activists, but there was another powerful force at work behind the scenes of the uprising: the long-outlawed muslim brotherhood. day 11. they opened this prayer rally on tahrir square with a moment of silence for those who died the previous day in battles with pro-mubarak vigilantes. >> reporter: many of the fallen were muslim brothers. afterwards, they were all praised for their perseverance and unity. >> reporter: anyone who's covered egypt for years knows about the brotherhood's profound influence on egyptian society. coming back at this extraordinary time, i wanted to find out what part they were playing in this revolution. >> reporter: hi. i'm charles. nice to meet you. on tahrir square, i found mohammed abbas-- a leader of the muslim brotherhood's youth wing. for the past month, abbas had been working alongside secular activists from the

this is well documented muslim conquest. that is how the muslim world became established. i am going to remind people that this is a sense of topic and i want to talk history only. not contemporary affairs. [inaudible] >> my job is history. you will determine the present text. you will determine the future. so the jews of the arabian peninsula and the middle east, when the muslims took it over--not just the jews but the christians. this meant they were a protected group within the islamic world and they had second-class citizenship or third class citizenship they were not love, and this is important because this issue comes right to the question of the farhud and the arab/not the alliance and our status right in jerusalem. that would be completely incorrect to say the jews in the moslem world were always kept as some humans or discriminated class. many jews in many areas thrived greatly in the muslim world. they were protected in the muslim world. they became great merchants in the moslem world. when the muslims exposed -- when the catholic church -- in 1492, it was the mu

going the muslim brotherhood a muslim brotherhood the muslim brotherhood a group you can hear a lot about charging that radical muslims want to bring some real war to the united states are working their way into conservative circles including the conservative political action conference were seen in fact after he was pointing a finger in particular at this man so hell calling if i was going to make this happen i would have fit in. seamlessly. see pack was the most wonderful place i'd ever been and it was easy to get distracted but i had to remember why i was here i'm wondering where they're hiding the muslim brotherhood. oh i understand the question frank gaffney said that the muslim brotherhood was going to be packed this year i'm just wondering where they're hiding them you've got to ask frank gaffney where are they hiding the muslim brotherhood. in the shadows ok well that's not really helpful the muslim brotherhood no i didn't do you know where they're hiding the muslim brotherhood. i think that's a no it appeared that the muslim brotherhood was going to be a lot harder to find

citizen muslims to run media operations targeting muslim communities in the english-speaking world. .. indolent once the be even with these differences, with her, facilities overseas missionary activities or in the indispensable aid to al qaeda's organizational, military and media activities. threat expatriate saudi preachers, islamic ngos and direct funding for local muslim organizations, the saudis have created muslim communities in most areas of the world that are alienated and even -- alienated from and even hateful towards the west. and so these communities are contingent environments for hosting al qaeda presence. in the balkans in india and bangladesh, in the north caucasus in south asia, and north america and europe and in sub-saharan africa these preachers, ngos and doses of saudi cash have for decades prepared the ground for al qaeda and its allies. to the saudis realize this? of course they do. we must always keep in mind that the only islamist terrorist insurgent attacked the saudi leaders disapprove of are those that occur outside of the inside the kingdom rather to read

military prison in the muslim paint the, four for nations that oppress muslims, russia, china and india unless an unqualified real u.s. support and protection. but that is the lifestyle that causes the whir of the united state. and yet, 15 years on, there is an no mention be any serious political figure of ron paul and dennis kucinich. they are motivated to anything more than a bloodlust and a political culture featured in the west. why such the case? it is because america's governing elite keeps interventionism. the default response, witness for example clinton and mccain in the egyptian crisis. from obama to speaker boehner to senator mccain, from "the new york times" to the "washington times," from fox news to national public radio and for most of the u.s. professoriat and punditry to the top pastors of the christian evangelical community, u.s. leaders, left right and center believe there is no political problem of war, general a quality efficient tea, revolution, ethnic conflict, curt election, poets or religious clash. it does not require direct american involvement. and that's whe

and many of the participants in such a putative arab muslim world and the u.s. is already feeling the heat with confusing messages coming from an administration that's unsure what to do when the protests first started president obama was careful not to abandon his old friend hosni mubarak but his loyalties soon shifted and he sided with the protesters to try and keep on top of things while solve the shore of the muslim brotherhood reach the top of egypt's though impose those special agenda they'll go ahead to establish a religious state despite them saying they don't want to be in the government they do they want to rule egypt and it's not just egypt many fear much of the arab world today saying if it will happen in the streets of cairo but what's it going to happen so as the brotherhood sits down for talks with the government it despises it's not just egypt's future that's at stake but so to that of the region policy r.t. cairo well omar suleiman recently appointed egypt's first ever vice president being hailed as a distinguished and respected politician detail

they were protected in the muslim world. they became great merchants in the muslim world. when the muslims exposed -- excuse me, when the catholic church of spain expelled the jews in 1492, it was the muslim world, it was the salten who took them in. they brought them in to thrive and make the empire stronger. there where many times when jews were horribly persecuteed or greatly emancipated within the context of the demi world. whenever they accelled, they did it as demis, when they were put down, they were put down as demis. there's no way to generalize. if you have a question, i would love to hear it. the jews of mesopotamia for there for 2600 years. that's 1,000 years for islam came to the middle east. how is it that they were turned into a vile member of the citizenry? well, the answer is the demihood, the nazis. how did the nazis come to make common cause with the arabs? the answer is oil. there were never -- there were never any countries in the middle east. they were all created by british petroleum and angelo, and by other oil imperillistic states in the west for t

it's very interesting as i mean the muslim brotherhood has been brought up here and it's been actually been rather brought up late in the game as it were is events unfold i mean they were very very quiet here and then they make a statement that they're willing to work with the with whatever authorities with the other opposition groups remain to be seen if they or want to these opposition groups want to work with them but at the same time i mean it's really people that are driving this year i mean it's even remarkable if you look at social movements there's no there's no head right now there's no one person or party it's really you know in the first step to get rid of this guy and make society coalesce into what it needs you know to find whatever parties are ideologies or groups that are already out there muslim brotherhood has played a very small role in this so far. well for the last you know twenty or so years the only opposition that was emerging was from within the mosques kind of in a way a little bit of an untouched area from the state but what you saw happen in tunis was the eme

but the fact that the muslim brotherhood is coming to the fore is significant because it certainly is sending out a lawn bells another need to elsewhere in the region that this group which does to some extent have an islamist agenda could be gaining momentum the muslim brotherhood after meeting with the government did issue a statement in which it did not trust the government so how this will evolve and how this will develop remains to be seen but as i discussed with a number of people it certainly is an issue that people are focusing on. it didn't get more than. passing mention in the mainstream media hizbollah him us and muslim brotherhood members in a jail break. from here and one to lebanon there's no way to go to lebanon from egypt only to go to the sea or to fly so who help them any one of the thousands of protesters on egypt streets. support for the demonstrators has faded fast and although the muslim brotherhood the country's largest opposition group with an islamist agenda got involved only on day three that says mom to ramsey is part of the plan the muslim brotherhood will a

just interject for one second look at the muslim brother i'm not going to sit here and glorify the muslim brotherhood they don't have as much of a sordid history i think as john is pointing out over the last forty years much less sordid than the regimes that have been in egypt but at the same time i trust the egyptian people in free and fair elections to hold the muslim brotherhood to account if they don't deliver if they read their provinces you know the beauty of a democracy is they get voted out so at the end of the day they're also that with us we have to work for america the brotherhood there is a concern a legitimate concern that revolutions go awry we saw that happen candidly with the russian revolution when it was hijacked in one nine hundred seventeen we saw in one nine hundred seventy nine in toronto so there's a legitimate concern about where revolution is headed force and so again it underscores the need for influential outside forces to help support liberal democratic elements within egypt so that the revolution is not hijacked and it doesn't want to go to you and give you th

reaching a perhaps a national unity or transitional government and that's why i think you see the muslim brotherhood now stepping in to say ok we're going to help organize we're going to support mohamed el baradei or rob poor organizational forces behind the opposition and i think think that's the dynamic you're seeing now. that kind of a dead letter i mean on the blows absolutely right this black and white narrative about the muslim brotherhood i mean maybe there are forces that say hope that's happened because they'll say no we won't speak to those people ok as usual it's outsiders to determine who are legitimate political characters and who are not i mean do you see do you fear that happening. i think. this is up to egyptians to decide who should enter the political game and who should not enter those who don't want to speak to the muslim brotherhood then they should speak to their natural allies if they are let's say a liberal and they don't want to speak to the muslim brotherhood they can speak to egyptian liberals but egyptian liberals have to find a compromise with the islamists a

mubarak has been selling to the world for decades now about fears of having the muslim brotherhood coming to power it's up to the egyptian people to decide for themselves who they want to see coming to power whether it's the muslim brotherhood or indeed other candidates of which there are many waiting to play a crucial role in the future of the country the muslim brotherhood narrative is a black and white narrative it's a very linear one and it doesn't the egyptian people do not buy it at all they want to be able to they want to be respected as individuals and indeed make individual choices for themselves. it's very interesting as i mean the muslim brotherhood has been brought up here and it's been actually been run brought up late in the game as it were is events unfold i mean they were very very quiet here and then they make a statement that they're willing to work with the with whatever authorities would on the other opposition groups remain to be seen if they want to these opposition groups want to work with them but at the same time i mean it's really people that are driving this yea

brotherhood the muslim brotherhood have been around for since nineteen twenty eight. in one thousand nine hundred sixty or announced violence they have been trying their best under the most extreme of circumstances to be a civil society organization they are very much institutionalized and they have been suppressed and oppressed by hosni mubarak really under the under the with the support of the united states and other powers so this has got to change the muslim brotherhood has got to become a mainstream organization a political movement like every other more you know this is very interesting we need to see it's very interesting in the upcoming elections the only large organization in egypt today that could actually help pull that off is the muslim brotherhood and it would be quite remarkable and they were i believe considering with we've said for over the last ten years at least that they would support a democratic process they would john with what if that were to happen you think they let you do brown shirts over at fox is going to leave you know exactly how a democ

groups and within those groups were representatives of secular parties who were representatives of the muslim brotherhood were independent legal experts as well as a number of representatives for mohamed el baradei and he of course is the former head of the international atomic energy agency who has indicated that he will be prepared to head an interim government the muslim brotherhood really is the focus of the discussion and the debate here in egypt because before yesterday they said that they would not meet with the government if there was not agreement on president hosni mubarak stepping down the brotherhood has been at pains to say that they have not changed their stance they have to afford it when these kind of discussions and not negotiations and what we do understand is that it will be through the day monday but what is noticeable is that the opposition voices on the north that unified they certainly do need somebody to bring them together to keep the momentum and to represent the point of view because by and large every day that these kids meet with the government despite this call f

regime has held on presidential talks with the muslim brotherhood which is banned in the country but all too often fortnight of rallies demonstrations in cairo say they won't beat the street the president resides. on russia's police force is in line from non-survival along the president signs a bill to have the meat branded angry for the changes i am disappointed corruption and abuse of power by office it's. now an all special report we find out about wall sign and casualty the environment skulled lands and wounded lives is coming up next here on aussie. sometimes we think that it's easier to make war and to work to prevent it or to clean up after it the military is a major player in terms of environmental outcomes. the environment is wars silent casualty when we talk about the costs of war we rarely focus on what happens to the way the enemy.

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fundamentalism the muslim brotherhood didn't call for these demonstrations it only came on board to support them at the last minute it hasn't been a major factor and it doesn't seem to me very likely that they can come out on top in this turmoil if the trajectory is that a military council will now open up the system and prepare for elections then the egyptian constitution would actually have to be changed for the muslim brotherhood to run as a party as you say parties based solely on religion that have no secular purpose cannot cannot run under their own banner they can stand under other party rubrics so the likelihood of the brotherhood being able to run under its own banner is is low in that at least in this these first elections if they're held and the likelihood that it can take over by any other means is also low because the military the officer corps even the junior officers are typically unsympathetic to the brotherhood so i don't you know i the statisticians tell me if i give things percentages i can't be wrong and the likelihood of the muslim brotherhood taking over is one

future it consisted of a caliphate and one big muslim state created to social unrest a slowdown in the economy and fueled by religious movements if such a pan regional union did genuinely come into being such a regional union would necessitate the breaking of very strong very resistant bonds that exist between the us and many of the participants in such a putative arab muslim world and the us is already feeling the heat with confusing messages coming from an administration that's unsure what to do when the protests first started president obama was careful not to abandon his old friend hosni mubarak but his loyalties soon shifted and he sided with the protesters to trying to keep on top of things for sure of the muslim brotherhood reach the top of egypt's though impose those special agenda they'll go ahead to establish a religious state and despite them saying they don't want to be in the government they do they want to rule egypt and it's not just egypt many fear much of the arab world today saying if it happened in the streets of cairo back here so as the brotherhood sits down for ta

harir square egyptians and muslims are united in egypt and this goes against all the attempts i have seen. between both groups so so it's so essential muslim women jump in here and we are going to come out after a short break we'll continue our discussion on egypt stay with r.t. . if. you want to. discover its beauty. communicate with you want to. test yourself and become free. see what nature can give you. are full of nothing stop we are going to come back on track. we'll have a rally we'll sell lots of beer will run around the faith will wear uniforms that will damage is the black family thing but very little damming the white. they are the key. two our problems are all right. welcome back to prosper i'm peter lavelle remind you we're talking about egypt's prospects for democracy. but before let's have a look at russia's stance on the situation in egypt the turmoil still not over as the chaos in egypt rages on leaders of the international community warning president mubarak to step down russia's president need to be made today to fix pressed his hope that the current political cris

if i resign today, there will be chaos and the muslim brotherhood would take over." for now, president mubarak remains in the presidential palace with his family. there had been widespread rumors that his son had fled, perhaps to london, but we saw him there when we spoke to him. president mubarak told me, "i would never run away from this country. i will die on this soil," and he defended his legacy, recounting the many years he spent leading this country. after my meeting with president mubarak, i sat down for an exclusive interview with his new vice president. i asked whether he would ever authorize the army to use force against the anti-government protesters, and he insisted repeatedly he would never order force against the protesters. he hoped they would go home. he said he hopes, "they don't follow through with their pledge to have another massive march on friday after midday prayers." he said the people should understand president mubarak has met their demands to step down and not run for reelection. he said they would reform the constitution and the election

bush in the past threats you know he had written online using a fake muslim name right i thought they were you know monitoring the wrong people and yeah yeah well there's that is interesting in the movie the town john hamm was a federal agent is monitoring ben affleck and these days these bank robbers do so if they convert to islam i could get twenty four hour surveillance on them but don't know but then they're just regular criminals he's just a regular lunatic regular lunatics are not sexy they're not you know if you have to be you have to assign some research and some thought in a production meeting or a tauriel meeting to figure out what makes him tick if he was a young somali man we can hear on the stereotypes we don't need to go into any depth we can play on the outside fear peter king could have his his you know his is his hearings and they're not going to really say anything you're not going to find anything but it plays on fear fear sells that's what they talk about the production meeting in the editorial meetings i mean it's as simple as that really and the authorities i thi

many of the fallen were muslim brothers. afterwards they were all praised for their perseverance and unity. anyone who has covered egypt for years knows about the brotherhood's profound influence on egyptian society. coming back at this extraordinary time i wanted to find out what part they were playing in this revolution. nice to meet you. >> reporter: on tahrir square, i found mohammed abba, a leader of the muslim brotherhood's youth wing. for the past month he had been working alongside secular activists from the april 6 movement to help organize the revolt. he was eager to show us what he and his fellow brothers had contributed. it was not until three days into the protest that the muslim brotherhood senior leadership officially threw their weight behind the revolt. now the brothers were running the security check points. serving hot tea, distributing blankets, printing posters, and running an emergency health clinic. they call themselves the brothers. in arabic, they have decades of experience providing social services

are united and that the harir square egyptians and muslims are united in egypt and this goes against all the attempts i have seen. between both groups so so it is so essential if we're going to jump in here when we are going to come out after a short break we'll continue our discussion on egypt stay with our. nature and discover its beauty. communicate with the wild. test yourself and become free. see what nature can give you on the. down low the official ante up location to go on the phone on called touch from the top story. which all t.v. lights on the. video on demand on t.v.'s minefield costs and says feed now with the palm of your. machine on the dot com. ok cool. welcome back to boston i'm carol about remind you we're talking about egypt's prospects for democracy. but before let's have a look at russia's stance on the situation in egypt the turmoil is still not over as the chaos in egypt rages on leaders of the international community warning president mubarak to step down russia's president need to be made to be if expressed his hope that the current political crisis would be

they talk about moderate muslims as if all devout muslims must be extremists. this is profoundly wrong. someone can be a devout muslim and not be an extremist. we need to be clear, extremism and islam are not the same thing. this might pose a significant problem when discussing the terrorist threat that we face. there is so much muddled thinking about this whole issue. on the one hand, those on the hard right ignore this distinction between islam and islamist extremism and just say that islam and the west are irreconcilable. that there is a clash of civilizations. so it follows, we should cut ourselves off from this religion, whether that is through forced repat ration or the banning of new mosques as is suggested in some parts of europe. these people fuel islam phobia. and i completely reject their arlt argument. if they want an example how western values and islam can be compatible, they should look at what has happened in the past weeks of tunisia and cairo. the point is this. the ideology of extremism is the problem. islam, emphatically, is not. picking a f

he has his own group which is the brotherhood muslim or have links to muslim brotherhood and muslim brotherhoodaid they want to meet with me without mr. elbaradei. >> what do you understand by transition must happen now as the united states is saying and many other countries are saying? >> it is the process starting by national dialogue which has started this morning, and we will continue tomorrow and after tomorrow. we want the young people to know that all your demands, all your hoff positive, and we promise that we will do and we need quiet time to implement these things. >> what is your fear if president mubarak was to say i've had enough? he's told me that he's had enough, 62 years of public service, and he wants to go but not quite yet. what are the concerns? why would he not go now? >> we don't want chaos in our country. if president mubarak would say i'm leaving, now who would take over? in the constitution that means the speaker would take over. i think with this atmosphere, that means that the other people who have their own agenda will make instability in our country. >> will you pre