this panel, a muslim has testified, and so i question where are the uncooperative muslims? let me quickly put in the record another aspect of mr. magdanoa's statement that our chairmans with so eager to ote and suggested he whisper to him to have this hearing. millions of americans find communit comfort and support in their faith that includes president obama, who is a christian. so today reminds us that being religious is never un-american. being religious is quintessentially american. god bless america. then i would simply suggest another comment here saying president obama recognized through our words and deeds we can either play into al qaeda narrative and messaging or we can challenge it and there by undermine it. we're determined to undermine it. this hearing today is playing into al qaeda right now around the world. it is diminishing soldiers that are on the front line that are muslims. those who lost their lives. and it is going the same route of an arizona and other states. sheriff baca, one quick question to you, please, can law enforcement find friends in diverse

our organization created a muslim liberty project that looks at innoculating muslims. we have a retreat to begin that process. this is our homeland. we want to set this society to begin a counterjihad, and offense to counter the ideas i think is the best way to use our resources as a nation, and remember that the freedoms we have don't come with a cheap price and we need to give back. and that the solution ultimately to fear of muslims is for americans to see muslims leading the charge against radical islam. >> thank you, dr. jasser. our next witness is melvin bledsoe, father of joaquin. >> thank you very much for allowing me to come here today and to tell the country what happened to my son. this hearing today is extremely important to begin the discussion about the issues of islamic radicalization in america. my sincere hope that this committee can somehow adjust the issue in a meaningful, productive way. i would like to express my deepest sympathy to the family of private william long and the wounded soldier. i would like to talk about the complicity in private long

foreign policy in the arab and muslim world has played in muslim feelings towards america but some muslim. say it's u.s. support for oppressive regimes in the middle east. and interventions in iraq and afghanistan that have radicalized them the minute that they kick at the night of slaughter they're accused as being violent when the actual perpetrators of violence are the ones that are occupying land like afghanistan and iraq right now the american empire others praise king for braving the political correctness firestorm face hearings ignited before they even began start running around looking to be a victim stop looking to be offended. and believe muslims are trying to take over america the expressions carpers shari'a creep or islam creep and the answer is yes i mean again if you come to this country you come for everything it offers but there's kind of a recent supreme leader and you come to in great shape yourself in immerse yourself in what america is and america isn't footpads but even los angeles county sheriff lee baca was skeptical of cain's accusations of a lack of cooperation wi

the last decade and muslim-americans have been the target of growing wave of anti-muslim a good trick. it is our obligation to talk about this growing problem and what steps the government can take to reverse this trend and protect the civil rights of muslims and all americans. in the 111th congress we took a step or two to protect civil rights and that was the enactment of the matthew shepard and james byrd, jr. hate crimes prevention act of 2009. this legislation gives the justice department new tools to combat hate crimes around the country that strengthened the ability of doj to pursue these hate crimes including hate crimes based on religion. the justice department has indeed stepped up its enforcement to combat hate crimes and discrimination against muslim-americans. i applaud these actions was in the criminal law enforcement or aggressive enforcement of our civil rights act and i do note our first witness tom perez has been a real leader in network card. in 1975 the united states establish a conference in europe now known as the osdp. be nice if congress gave the u.s. helsinki

our organization created a muslim liberty project that looks at innoculating muslims. we have a retreat to begin that press. this is our homeland. we want to set this society to begin a counterjihad, and offense to counter the ideas i think is the best way to use our resources as a nation, and remember that the freedoms we have don't come with a cheap price and we need to give back. and that the solution ultimately to fear of muslims is for americans to see muslims leading the charge against radical islam. >> thank you, dr. jasser. our next witness is melvin bledsoe, father of thank you very much for allowing me to come here and tell the country what happened to my son. this hearing today is extremely important to begin the discussion about the issue of islamic radicalization in america and my hope is that this committee can somehow address this issue in a meaningful, productive way. first, i would like to express my deepest sympathy to the family of private william long, and to the wounded soldier, quinton ezeagwula. i would like to talk about those complicit in priva

muslim community. this is a huge opportunity for them to come forward and say we are helping and a lot of them are availing themselves they're up there working with peter king peter king just didn't wake up one day and said let's do this he's been looking at this for years i used to investigate the revolutions of the muslim community that haven't been cooperating and have been shielding terror activity those are the ones and the only ones that he's investigating. the synagogues and say to the rabbis if you don't cooperate with us we're going to give you trouble suppose they went to the churches around america and demanded that the religious leaders cooperate with the f.b.i. about the religious added two of the people as far as are actually related i mean the guy's a receipt here in d.c. some of them came to you do you know what pape bowe. i run in for duke park as everybody in the universe out there shooting paint go now that means you have to re have raised the level or the threshold for guilt and inn

involved muslims. according to your testimony, over 50% of the justice cases have been open since may 2010. he testified that reflected an increase in anti muslim sentiment, can you elaborate? >> i have had the privilege in this job a traveling to half of the u.s. attorney's offices across the country. as part of our visits to make sure that we are aggressively enforcing civil rights laws and listening, we are listening and learning as i did in chicago from. sticklers north dakota muslim sheik is on committee. it really tears my heart out to listen to this story. i will never forget a trip to tennessee where and iman talks about how his son does not want to go to school because he is so scared every day. they were telling him, go home, you terrorist. this is his own. we see this across the country. we see this in a wide array of areas, employment, religious zoning context, school context. >> according to data from the equal opportunity employment commission, muslims of 0.45% of religious discrimination

the muslims are not being radical the muslims right now especially these were great muslims very afraid it's unbelievable and i'm corporation had to go right here in virginia the two biggest centers in this area cooperated regularly with the f.b.i. i cannot speak i used to be one of the most popular speakers on the planet for i could not speak fact i spoke of no nylon the while back i can't speak on any platform in any muslim platform because of my ideas and the way i know they're afraid that i would make the government may play i'm although they have been oppressed so i'm sorry anything the congressman said it reminds me of the little house where they called the house of un-american activities anything that they don't like was considered a threat to america and i'll tell you what research we ran across was as the best groups of citizens in america were mormons and muslims this is what they say and think now let's talk about this i mean they're what america is bigger picture of what these here i think right here i think we just heard the bigger picture he's losing speaking gigs because

timothy mcveigh wasn't muslim. now going back over twenty years to get before the well off the top of my head then i got the nine eleven call that. i was on last night on the work with someone who said there had been forty eight. terror related activities since alive and. all of the radiology or whatever you want to say combined which means one in three more than one in three islamic related so peter king playing the numbers will i'm robbing the base because that's where the money is he's investigating the number one leading cause of domestic terrorism or attempted to mask terrorism in the united states you play the numbers i think the concern now is that a lot of attention could build up here and i want to take you now to a community that actually in the united kingdom where tension is starting to build up between muslims and christians it is our. selves to see straight from the bizarre is it the laureates this is loose in north london they've just some twenty five thousand muslims of british and other origins one

the american-muslim community this week. people think of it as a monolithic body but it's really not. >> it's anything but. it's anything but. there are, what? 50, 60 different ethnic groups. there are people wealthy. there are people who are white collar. there are all sorts of professionals, there are blue collar people. there are people who have been here since the 1960s, people who have recently arrived and geographically the community is very widespread. >> how do you think the hearings, the images of this hearing, is playing overseas among the people you were talking about? >> in some ways i'm concerned about that because at the very time you've got people fighting for freedom and human rights in north africa, you have internationally televised hearings questioning patriotism of at least some american muslims. on the other hand, what's hopeful that is people from the administration, the ntional admistraon, l the way do the pewlevel, has to do it with muslims and stood with muslims as americans in this country. and i ho

we jump to a conclusion around who a muslim is or what a muslim does, we should first of all say is this person a human being, a fellow american who cares about our country the way all of us do and should. >> rose: we conclude this evening with a visit from the actors and the writer of the play "driving miss daisy." they are vanessa redgrave, james earl jones, boyd gains and the playwright alfred yuri. >> my husband taught me how to run a car. i still remember everything he said so dent you just even think of... wait i see it. you're speeding. >> we ain't going over 19 miles an hour. >> i like to go under the speed limit. >> speed limit's 35 here. >> congressional hearings and "driving miss daisy" when we continue. every story needs a hero we can all root for. who beats the odds and comes out on top. but this isn't just a hollywood storyline. it's happening every day, all across america. every time a storefront opens. or the midnight oil is burned. or when someone chases a dream, not just a dollar. they are small business owners. so if you wanna root for a real hero, support small b

has been sending informants in disguise to muslim communities and hopes of finding any muslims who are staging militant attacks but in this process they're deceiving peaceful muslims and in some cases turning innocent victims against other members of their own community artie's among the lindo has the story. as american muslims prepare for prayers of fear remains that the worshipper next to them may be a spy all of. this is especially true in southern california where paid f.b.i. informants have fractured the cohesiveness of a law abiding community and fearful retaliation if i and my wife fears that my family fears and i fear that. you know the f.b.i. is going to come down pretty aggressive. after i leave found out he was being spied on he felt betrayed by his country and now he feels alienated because fellow muslims are now suspicious that he might be a spy for the twenty six year old southern california native was approached by f.b.i. informant craig months he'll presumably because of his devout muslim faith now the a.c.l.u. and the council of american islamic relations are teaming u

clark talked about the muslim brotherhood, they are active throughout the muslim world. there is growing concern this group is taking over the revolution that swept hosni mubarak from power in egypt. >> all right. thanks so much george. as many feared that group is gaining influence in egypt. increasingly the secular faiths are being shouldered aside in the nationwide referendum that reshaped egypt's political structure. john cage: john wagee has more. >> reporter a mob through stones, cursed him and kept him from casting his ballot. he believes new political parties need time and gain support. holding elections only helps established groups like the muslim brotherhood. many in egypt's christian community agree with him. ramez atallah is director of the bible society in egypt. >> it gives a grass root majority by popular vote. like hezbollah, leb anon and hamas. if there was a democratic election, radical islamist would take over. new enough they were telling egyptians they had a spiritual obligation to say yes. this video shows a man filling in dozens of yes ballots. cl

population and add more irony to the issue muslims from his district . claim the king useful embrace their community that is up until the attacks on nine eleven so why the drastic change archie is growing up our nine takes a closer look at it too faces of this new york congressman on. friday. a familiar sound of worship echoes from the islamic center of long island. oh it's a place of prayer education and community service for many of long island's seventy thousand muslims it's also a place where u.s. congressman peter king spent years building bridges with american voters. supporters who today remain shocked that king labeled their mosque a hotbed for extremism that should be put under surveillance to have attended our beddings also and we have been to his office many times what it will be needed and it. how deep ahmed is chairman of the long island center that sits just outside the boundaries of king's third congressional district amid fears the man he once fundraise for they currently be the strongest force fueling the flames of islamophobia in americ

affecting muslims and islam. through the use of video messages and maybe our reach, it provides the american muslim community and on my platform to speak directly to america. this week we are calling on american muslims to speak up and present our own narrative recalling the false allegations by representative peter king of. we are working on broadcasting our own public service announcement during the hearings. it will offer a balanced perspective. if your interested on that psa, please see me after this and i can give you that info. in the recent past, peter keane has made unsubstantiated claims that -- these claims are not true. it goes against what the majority of american muslims believe. they also bring about more hate, misunderstanding, and assure me nation. and it discrimination. the reality is that american muslims are peaceful, caring people that generally love their country and want to not make it -- and want to help make it a better place. they were to get back to the broader community their careers, i

our organization created a muslim liberty project that looks at innoculating muslims. we have a retreat to begin that process. this is our homeland. we want to set this society to begin a counterjihad, and offense to counter the ideas i think is the best way to use our resources as a nation, and remember that the freedoms we have don't come with a cheap price and we need to give back. and that the solution ultimately to fear of muslims is for americans to see muslims leading the charge against radical islam. >> thank you, dr. jasser. our next witness is melvin bledsoe, father of joaquin. >> thank you very much for allowing me to come he today and to tell the country what happened to my son. this hearing today is extremely important to begin the discussion about the issues of islamic radicalization in america. my sincere hope that this committee can somehow adjust the issue in a meaningful, productive way. i would like to express my deepest sympathy to the family of private william long and th wounded soldier. i would like to talk about the complicity in private long's

are missing muslims are there in you yet you said i was at the if a population of muslims. come here thirty seven thousand is really quite a small proportion thousand really with the british national party how does an annual rally and i take it and i get thousand people i got two million votes so he's not he would have ten thousand people attend their rallies. thirty seven percent of british muslims when identified in a pouch that they wish to show low in this country that's not a small percentage if asked for a million people did you realise the cereal or means. do you know what sharia law. or you i mean i have a sort of study of it. there's one hundred one hundred courts in this country there in the european court of human rights in three thousand and seven was it issued that shariah law is incompatible with western democracy and freedom groups their views on homosexuals they fuse on women and their views on infidels so this is a system that cannot appease that you realize you're going to do around the this time it's a correct characterization go ahead edward. no because

you know about it which shows that germany is a polish in itself and will become a completely muslim country by the end of the century which has been surprisingly popular so i think that has had an effect on mainstream politicians but i did i think they often don't define very clearly what they mean by multiculturalism when they say that it's failed i mean something has failed because obviously there are parts of our cities and may well be one of them where you have something like muslim. or parallel societies and if that is the result of multiculturalism then obviously it's failed but i think there may be other ways that we could interpret multiculturalism and i would hope that it would mean bringing people of different culture and religion together and helping them to understand each other and to do things together and build a better country and i know many muslims in britain who are trying to do that and who are not at all like the ones that tommy is talking about so i think he should not be a bit careful about generalizing of blackening whole religion and all the people who follo

but have also killed a lot of muslims in other parts of the world how does the muslim community best deal with its murderous conservatives. and do you think that peter king's so-called investigation is going to increase the power and the number of these. radical or conservative muslim first of all thank you very much for having me on your time and second i think that like all other americans muslim americans are very concerned about terrorism you mentioned before that muslim violent extremists such as al qaeda and bin laden have been largely killing a lot of the muslims around the world in addition to the to the horrific attacks on nine eleven and according to a study by west point eighty five percent of all of its victims are actually muslims so that's the first point the second point though it's going here to our shores is that muslim americans again are very very concerned about this issue and we're front line partners in the fight against terrorism according to a study that we've been doing so for several years now our post nine eleven terrorism incident database we have found th

muslims who had planned or carried out terrorist attacks. the study concluded "homegrown terrorism is serus, t lited, problem." >> one is one too many, and so we have zero tolerance for that kind of seductive narrative and that seductive type of presentation that lures young people into things that will ultimately ruin their lives. >> reporter: one of the first priorities for mainstream u.s. muslim groups has been trying to fight extremist messages online, including many from foreign-based, english-speaking americans. >> i am calling on every honest and vigilant muslim, unsheathe your sharpened sword and rush to take your rightful place among defiant champions of islam. >> what happens in extremist groups is that there's a cult mentality. there's blind following of a charismatic leader, these pied pipers that are speaking to us now on youtube from caves and jungles and war zones that are trying to glamorize violence. that's basically what we're dealing with. >> reporter: hoping to offer a different view, american imam suhaib webb has set up

talking about islam and muslims is today in britain you're a very kin to what was said about the jews in the one nine hundred thirty scapegoating a group of people how do you respond to that. it's absolute nonsense i wasn't around annoying when i was scapegoating anyone all we're doing is highlighting and point out the problem and the problem is there for everyone to see the problem is an epidemic sweeping across this country and everyone knows it and that's why people want to bury their head in the sand in its hands the fate that the public feeling is not there everyone the english defense league is the one the biggest phenomenons to sweep this country ever there's a reason for that because people in these towns and cities not loot and not like x. are probably where where it was from because they probably have a clue about islam in towns and cities and towns that is not lutheran where there are problems in burman in bradford in leeds and in halifax everyone's been feeling the same we've had no voice we've had no one protecting us and i want to stand not standing up for us and i want

unfairly single out muslims. these cruises mysteriously and perfidious kneejerk liberal left wing reaction because of the politically correct establishment is quite criticism from the right and the laughs at the mere announcement of the hearings king says he won't back down begin to name those names we're going to have expert witnesses and with through what we have to do which worries critics like history professor alan strucker we've always had our scapegoats today it's muslims in the one nine hundred fifty s. it was communists they say the congressman from new york is following in the footsteps of the senator from wisconsin joseph mccarthy focusing on people's associations in this case religious rather than political but calling them. in public and exposing them to some kind of sanctions whether it's just e-mails where there is dismissals a workplace sanctions a man abdul ali musette so that despite muslim leaders cooperation with the f.b.i. they're continuously viewed as the enemy especially since the end of t

because there is a discriminatory element in shari'a law for non muslims but. international level on an international level the concept the very concept of a caliphate is is hostile by nature to everything else. according to. islam needs to spread now i'm also agreeing with you that i don't think all of the people who are engaged in these uprisings want an islamist regime i do agree with that i think a lot of them want it but what the west should really do is try to differentiate between those who do want. to live i did you. want to ask you a question as we're running out of time here i mean this is a very interesting discussion but let's look at facts on the ground i mean we've all been to. what kind of democracy might be appropriate might be inappropriate or talk a lot about models but let's talk about that from the ground i mean we see protesters in bahrain being who knows by the time by the end of this day what will happen to them has nothing to do with democracy if it's islamic or western that's called brute force. well i think i think we are off the mark

muslims will do it. if we keep having tariff threats and terror acts that may happen, the political world may change to where the government gets involved in appropriately. that is why i am so motivated to do this. if we don't fix this, the government will wind up doing it, and that would be wrong. i think we can build platforms to do that. prime minister karen talked- about written doing the same thing -- prime minister cameron talked about that. >> thank you very much. >> despite what passes for conventional wisdom in certain circles, there is nothing radical or un-american in holding these hearings. >> ascribing it lacks of a few individuals to an entire community is wrong. it is ineffective and risk making our country less a. >> watched the entire hearing by the house homeland security committee on possible radicalization in u.s. muslim communities, along with other events before and after the hearing, including reaction from viewers, all on line at the c-span video library. it is washington your way

informant craig months he'll presumably because of his devout muslim faith now the a.c.l.u. and the council of american islamic relations are teaming up against the f.b.i. suing the agency for what they say is its attempt to incriminate people based simply on where they prey something they consider a by a lesion of the u.s. first amendment freedom of religious worship the f.b.i. insists that it doesn't ask it informants to target people for their religious affiliations something muslims are finding it hard to believe this is one of the mosque where. to pray and socialize with other muslims it was during a car right here where he started making some very suspicious comments. that set off alarms and local community members reported it to the f.b.i. little did they know that the f.b.i. was actually payments he'll to watch then he was always interested in other other other topics in jihad and what i thought about jihad and things of that nature once his cover was blown it was revealed that mantilla was paid one hundred seventy seven thousand tax free dollars over fifteen months

and so the point is as we were discussing and as i agree i can understand why people muslims they don't want to implement the war or the cycle or western world view and i also agree that this is not people tend to think whether they are westerners or muslims that their way of seeing the world is the universal way of seeing the world and that other people don't see it simply because they're misguided and i think that's kind of thinking needs to be adjusted to understand that no other people there are systems that the west would seem completely antithetical but to them they genuinely like it and they believe that this is the truth and when you bring something like islam into the mix now you're talking about a divine message so there's no divine theological element involved but the main point that i'm getting at is you can have muslim caliphate and all that and in and of itself if they want. to rule for example of cording to shari'a i don't think that's a problem except of course for the minorities the non muslims because there is a discriminatory element in shari'a law for non muslims but

muslim community. we said after the attacks and london, it cannot happen here because of the muslim community. we were wrong. why is it that way? why is that the case? >> charles? >> homeland security says the major threat of islamic radical terrorism is internal. we have had some success since 9/11 in keeping the x turtles from getting into our country and attacking. we do that well. we have a problem that is a recurrent one, the fort hood shooter, the times square attacker, all of those -- the somali kid that end up in somalia. we know they are radicalized inside america. of course it is a problem. the attack on king has been nothing but an attack on political correctness of a very high order. >> nina? >> that term political correctness is, at this point, and at that. >> it was meant as an epithet. >> i understand that, but it is incredibly not constructive. these hearings, even if they were about homegrown terrorism in the muslim communities, could have been constructive, but the second part of the

ok what relation a muslim. time here thirty seven thousand is really quite. purple ten thousand really i would appreciate the british national party how did an annual rally and make it and i guess thousand people they got two million so here's what he would have ten thousand people attend their rallies is thirty seven percent of british muslims when identified in a poll said they wish to show low in this country that's not small percent if free million people would utilize the area laws means. do you know what. all you are going i have to study because. there's one hundred one hundred course in this country the european court of human rights in three thousand and seven was it shariah law is incompatible with western democracy and freedom due to their views on homosexuals their views on women and their views on infidels so this is a system that cannot have exaggerated lock your great enron was a time is the correct characterization go ahead edward. no because he's doing his jumping from he talks about sharia law which is an abstraction and then he talks about

and minnesota democrat keith ellison, the first muslim elected to congress. he served as a witness today, as we just saw. welcome to you both. congressman ellison, even before this hearing began, you branded the whole premise of it as mccarthyistic. after taking part today, is that what it felt like to you? >> well, i still challenge the basic premise of the hearing. i think that when you look at a serious so theally wide program like violent extremism, but then to associate it with only one religious community or one racial group or one ethnicity, i think that that is the very heart of scapegoating, and i think our history with scapegoating has never been good. japanese internment comes to mind. but i do think there is a way, or could have been a way to have a hearing like this that could have been effective and that would start with having a lot of witnesses who had real law enforcement experience, who offered some understanding from a scientific standpoint on something we could build policy on. i want to say that the individuals who testified at the hearin

muslims should be partners in fighting them and treating them like undermined entirely. i want to talk about a couple different cases here. first the less they stay with this case here in the mosque what was your reaction when you found out about it and you know what was the reaction of the people there was this shocking or was this sort of expected. it was appalling and mean we know a story during the clinton era where this type of informant that he was happening and i'm actually in real time was incredibly frightening the socket on which i'm into the community and try to earn the trust our community members is the only you turning over personal information and aggravating the relationship i simply problematic and. undermine the ability of the congress to trust you. totally i want to turn now to a case going on in new jersey two men there u.s. citizens have pled pleaded guilty to conspiring to murder people outside the u.s. by joining us somali terrorist group with ties to al qaeda but there's more to the story here these two men apparently have been followed by the f.b

muslims. i want to say today that we are not in denial that something is going on. there are bad apples in every community. it is our role to gathered together and look for justice, to identify individuals who have malfeasance. our data have shown that the american muslim community has been in the forefront. there is something going on with mr. king's hearing. he is onto something that he is moving in the wrong direction. if i could quote, "this approach is like finding a needle in a haystack by adding more hay." the american muslim community has been a faithful friend to the law enforcement of been the subject of investigations. the american-muslim community is the best defense that we have against radicalization in america among muslims. it is our opinion that if you look into the american muslim communities response, we have done a lot. we have much more to do. we will call on others to say why not be a constructive partner in the war against terror and to recognize that the study showed th

i'm muslim and realize it's my problem. >> reporter: but holding musliming to account for the crimes of a few angered many leaders. >> islamic muslims have spoken many times against violent extremi extremism. >> reporter: a muslim in congress remembered a first responder killed on 9/11. >> he was a fellow american who gave his life for other americans. >> reporter: a hero's story in a hearing about who's to blame for a new crop of muslim villains. some democrats up here today were so upset they insisted this hearing itself would be used by al qaeda as a recruiting tool that radicals could claim as proof that the u.s. government really is at war with islam. this hearing, the lead up to it, all the controversy followed avidly, of course, by muslim american communities coast-to-coast. our traci grant today was in san francisco. that's where she is live. traci. >> reporter: well, steve c.a.r.e. stands for the council on american islamic relations and describes itself as the nation's largest muslim civil rights advocacy group. we spoke to someone from c.a.r.e. today who compares it to the

we have seen the consequences of anti-muslim sentiment from backlash against park 51 muslim community center to the hostilities against the islamic center in tennessee to a threatened koran burning in gainesville, florida, zoning boards and communities in illinois are denying permits to build mosques. at the height of the park 51 controversy, a man asked a cabbie whether he was a muslim. when the cabbie said "peace be unto you," the individual stabbed him. dennis mcdonough recently spoke at the adams center and the all-dulles american muslim so side. he noted al qaeda coerced recruiting argument is that the west is at war with islam, a chief goal of our national security policy is to undermine this argument. this requires active engagement with muslim community at home and throughout the world, as president obama said in his cairo speech, "islam is not part of the problem in combatting violent extremism. it is an important part of prom poeting peace." this brings me to my last point and i will try to hurry, mr. chairman, because i see the time. the best defense against extreme ideolog

muslim them aren't worth american should be partners. and. are on your mind i really. i want to talk about a couple different cases here. but first let's stay with this case here in the last what was your reaction when you found out about it and you know what was the reaction of the people there was this shocking was this sort of expected. it was a polyp and we know our story during that cointelpro era where this type of informant activity was happening at the scene and actually real time with incredibly frightening that someone would i mean the community and our and proctor and unity members acker are to be the only trying over personal information and community relations problematic and. in terms of the reality. that there are you getting congress to trust you. totally i want to turn now to a case going on in new jersey two men there u.s. citizens have pled pleaded guilty to conspiring to murder people outside the u.s. by joining us somali terrorist group with ties to al qaeda but there's more to the story here these two men apparently

and western exemployeation of muslim energy -- exploitation of muslim energy resources.third, the u.s. military presence in muslim lands outside the peninsula. fourth, u.s. support for nations that oppress muslims, especially russia, china and india. fifth, endless and unqualified u.s. support for israel. sixth, u.s. support and protection for muslim tyrannies. thus, it is policy, not lifestyle, that is the cause for the war bin laden declared on the united states on 23, august, 1996. and yet nearly 15 years on there has been no public contention by any serious political figure save ron paul and dennis cue sin niche that the islamists are motivated by anything more than a blind blood lust and a cultural/political hatred for america and the west. why is such the case? well, i believe it is because america's governing elite are addicted to interventionism. it is, sadly, their default response to international affairs. witness, for example, obama, clinton and mccain intervening on both sides in today's egyptian crisis. from obama to speaker boehner to senator mccain, from "

as a third generation muslim -- my parents are muslim and their parents were muslim. a black american muslims. my experiences coming to islam and excepting islam and looking at the immigrant community and the things they tried to influence me -- it was not correct, as well. i did not have my own independent thinking, i would be off on some wild, radical thoughts myself. host: we have to leave it there. thank you for calling in. by the way, this hearing is that 9:30 a.m. and it will be on c-span3 and it will also be on c-span radio, which is available on xm and in the washington- baltimore area, 90.1. you can watch it on any of those ways. john dingell will be the first to testify. keith ellison, democrat of minnesota, will be second. the fourth panel consists of m. zuhdi jasser and abdirizak bihi host -- bihi. next call, akron, ohio. what you think about this hearing? caller: i just wanted to say that we should definitely be doing things. we have terrorism in this country and abroad, but it does our country a disservice and makes us much less able to distinguish betwe