there he action was very impressed with mussolini in fact. also receive money from the italian government during world war ii to undermine the british. to show you how desperate stern was to really to foment this revolt against the british he also sent emissaries to try to get some sort of alliance with the germans as well. that's another part of this. this was before the conference. he saw associate attorney could rid itself of its jewish problem by sending them all to palestine. throw the british out and go be an end of rish imperialism in the mediterranean and italy and germany could be dominant. and, of course you're absolutely right because keeping the rome in this incident for my best pocket because look menachem begin in 1951 wrote a book the revolt which is his account of it's a great book. i think it's one of the classics of wars of liberation, of underground warfare, after his campaign, whatever you want to call it. .. offices of local municipal offices we call that terrorism . they attacked the jerusalem rail station for example on

mussolini wanted to get rid of the british helping the jews. what is interesting exactly that they were helping the jews with exactly the same made. the jews destroy the british embassy in rome. the resistance. helping them in any way. >> very astute points and extremely accurate ones as well. the influence especially with italy he actually was impressed with miscellany to show you how desperate he was to ferment this revolt against the british that is another part of this. a perfect solution that germany could rid itself of the jewish problem by throwing the jewish out. and of course you are absolutely right. keeping the incident in my vest pocket because in 1951 there was a book called the revolt. a brilliant book one of the classics of wars of liberation, underground warfare terrorist campaigns, whatever you want to call it. a copy of it was found in al qaeda's library in kandahar in 2,001 when us forces invaded afghanistan. i have studied very closely because of his transformation from being a terrorist group to political party. we no from

for 1800 years they had their own empire and lost it in the 1800s and get it back from mussolini, theho gives them sovereignty in 1929. it changes the whole picture. >> jon: one of the things, though, that i think is almost again comforting is that the motive here is financial viability, not, you know-- they did business with the nazis not out of a love of nazis, but they were afraid of the communists. it wasn't-- things were motivated by other motives than what you would imagine. >> motivated in part-- i think that i'm the first writer-- i say that with some hesitation. there may be somebody else out there. i think i'm the first person in the book to put forth the process or the thought that part of the reason for the pope's silence during world war ii over the holocaust was not just all the question about anti-semitism, fear the communism, and love of germany but was in part financial. there was a financial motivating factor. nobody thought about money before. the naughties were collecting a tax for the vatican that amounted to $100 million a year in 1943. every german catholic has

a holdover from the days of italian colonization when mussolini tried to rebuild rome's long-lost empireerience, seeing the rebirth of a country, of a people. >> i mean, last night's fireworks. there was a general sense of exuberance bordering on anarchy. i mean, i felt very happy here last night, if somewhat in peril. >> it's christmas. it's whatever, it's the fourth of july rolled into one. but also, there are people who are trying to stop it, sort of puritans, extremists, we won't say militants. and what has happened is that people have come out in defiance of that. they're showing, we want to have fn. and remember, for a long time in libya, you couldn't have fun. the biggest misconception is that the place is turning into another afghanistan and iraq, where you have bombs going off and attacks, but it's not, as you've seen. libyans have gone through an awful time having fought for freedom. people have died. people have struggled. and that's going to hold them together. ♪ oh yea, that's coming down let's get some rocks, man. health can change in a minute. so cvs health is changing hea

but that's another thing that i could understand at least initially this guy is getting aid from mussolini and hitler, this is fascism and we want to fight it in some fashion. i understand that. but the fact is that it was very clear by the time this movie came out that the soviet union stalin was in control. >> host: they wrote an entire book on it and makes a point to soviets were every bit as brutal. >> guest: absolutely and the point is when this movie came out the fact is that was basically depending and they had to go through swords but nevertheless it was very clear that everybody understood this was -- it had a great ending. i love the ending at the end talking about the bombings and all that on behalf of the soviet side and the point is they use that and they got clips and everything else and they said we have the american people on our side and he can get rid of the restrictions on helping because the neutrality act with all sorts of the law against doing anything. but the idea that we couldn't help anybody and they wanted roosevelt to break the neutrality law into the soviet sid

mussolini in italy invaded abyssinia and ethiopia and started to take a land grab there. hitler, as we all know, first of all moved into -- in 1930 into austria and also started nibbling away land which bass part of czechoslovakia. then he took the whole of vehicle show vac ya and then -- shaq slovakia and then invaded poland. roosevelt new knew that sooner or later america would have to become involved in what called was a tie ran at- -- the fascist ideology and the set about the task of doing that. the problem was he had to bide his time because throughout the 30s, a whole succession of acts has been passed neutrality abilities by the congress the very same people who stopped wood dough wilson and it mend you couldn't supply arms to britain and france and the people opposing naziism. then later on they did amend it so you could sell arms but it was cash and carry. you have to collect it. we're not giving you the ships. that was treacherous with the u boats in the atlantic. there came a time when britain was buying a great deal of armaments. when after finally in novembe

i can understand initially he said this guy is giving aid for mussolini and aid from hitler. this is fascism and we want to fight it. i understand that but the fact is it was very clear by the time this movie came out that the soviet union stalin was in control. >> he wrote an entire book on it. he makes the point he hates them but he makes the point that the soviets were every bit as brutal against freedom. >> guest: absolutely so the point is when the movie came out the fact is basically it was defending they had to go through all sorts of the hayes code but it was very clear and everybody understood that this comet had a great ending with henry fonda talking about the bombings and it was a great speech no question. in a great speech on behalf of the soviet side. the point is that they use that and they got clips from it and everything else. i think it was the new masses that said look we think we have the american people on our side and we can get rid of the restrictions on helping because of the net neutrality act. it was the neutrality act with all sorts of laws with wor

have an interest in spain of one kind of another particularly nazi germany and fascist italy under mussolini. came in to help franco. germany particularly gave franco of 5000 men air force that was called typical hitler sort of flushing is called the condor legion's. and it was a chance for hitler first to make mischief so that as he said in one of his conferences, we can go ahead and do what we are doing. people will not be looking at those. they will be looking more towards spain. was also a chance to test out their weaponry. so people speak of the spanish civil war. a relatively small war in a little backward part of europe as a test bed or a trial run with the second world war. and everybody who got into the war on whatever side from elsewhere in the world tried to test out whatever new equipment they had. the soviet union in fact -- back to the republic for a while except that they didn't donate equipment they gave. they sold it to them for spanish gold. >> you can watch this and other programs online at booktv.org. >> each month representative tom cole of oklahoma releases a reading li

i can understand initially you'd say this guy ills getting aid from mussolini and from hitler. this is fascism and we want to fight it. understand that. but the fact it that it was very clear by the time that this movie came out and everything that the soviet union was in control. >> host: wrote an entire book in which he makes the point -- testifieds fascism but i makes the point the soviets were every bit as brutal. >> guest: absolutely. the point is when this movie came out the fact is it was basically defending -- they had to go through all sorts -- because of the hate code -- but very clear, everybody understood this was -- they had a great enemy. i love the ending henry fonda talking about the bombings great speech. lawson did a great speech on behalf of the soviet side. the point is they used that and they got -- i think it was the new math says look, we have now had -- we texas we have the american people on our side, and the point is we can get rid of the restriction on helping -- because of the neutrality act and all sorts of laws against doing anything because of wor

countries that had an interest in spain of one kind or another is nazi germany and fascist italy under mussolinicame in to help franco. germany particularly gave franco a 5000 man air force called typical hitler flashiness called a condor legion and there was a chance for a hitler first to make mischief so that as he sat in one of his conferences, we can go ahead and do what we are doing in evil won't be looking at us. but it was also a chance to test out other weaponry. people speak of the spanish civil war this relatively small war and a backward part of europe as a test for a trial run for the second world war. everybody who got into the war on every side from elsewhere in the world try to test out whatever new equipment they had. the soviet union back to the republic for a while except that they didn't donate the equipment they gave. they sold it for spanish gold. tanks aircraft, artillery, west end. so there is this kind of contest that was larger than just spain. time magazine 1937 and writing about the war called it a little world war and in a sense when you think about the fact that ther

here's our prime time lineup: >> fascist italy under mussolini came in to help franco. germany particularly gave franco a 5,000-man air force that was called -- typical hitler's sort of flashiness -- called the condor legion. and it was a chance for hitler first, to make mischief so that as he said in one of his conferences, we can go ahead and do what we're doing and people won't be looking at us, they'll be looking at spain. but it was also a chance to test out all their weaponry. so people speak of the spanish civil war. this relatively small war in that little backward part of europe as a it's bed or a trial -- as a test bed or a trial run for the second world war. and everybody who got into the war on whatever side from elsewhere in the world tried to test out whatever new equipment they had. the soviet union backed the republic for a while except that they didn't donate the equipment they gave the spanish repluck, they sold it to them -- republic, they sold it to them for spanish gold. >> watch this and other programs online at booktv.org. >> booktv p continue now

ethiopia's protests would not come through because this was part of the soviet scheme to try to get mussolini away from hitler. yeah. the soviets are also selling allele -- oil. lots of oil to fuel the invasion of ethiopia. the naacp says, does your anti-imperialism stop at black nations? is that how this works? the naacp is on this early. it does everything that he can for ethiopia. even when ethiopia becomes liberated, it is at the white house talking about, you have got to include ethiopia in economic development plans. so i see that consistently. i have to say, in this battle for the italian colonies, which is absolutely intriguing -- it reads like peyton place meets dallas meets dynasty. it is a hot mess. you have this moment where ethiopia is angling to become the colonial power over eritrea and somalia. while you have italy that is angling to regain control over libya, eritrea, and somalia. and you have egypt trying to get a chunk and the british and french as well. all of this is going on. ethiopia -- their delegation meets with the naacp because the italian-americans in 1948 are putt

jim, people are either saying you're doing your best version of mussolini or they're tweeting don't cryentina. >> you know what? i love italy. i'm a seller of argentina right here. actually argentina's stronger than brazil. it's going to be difficult to talk about these countries because people don't think they are matter but they're matter because of a flow of funds, going to different places, a lot of guys caught the wrong direction. if you're kimberly-clark, long proctor, should it matter? it will because you have overseas sales. >> you changed -- you opened the show with the words "hey i'm cramer, welcome to "mad money," some people want to make friends, i want to make you money. argue you never swayed from those ideals in. >> no and it's tough. people whom -- we have had them on the show -- i felt very good about and numbers don't come through and the facts change and you've dot togot to change your view with them. >> boo-yah came from a call in once. >> yes a caller in new orleans radio affiliate and says that's what happens when you make a lot of money, you say boo-yah, and that'

whether it was the new deal in the nine states or the soviet union, or was illini -- mussolini's italy the power of the state that made this possible. i would've thought you would have endorsed saying that your big engineering project only exists because your overridden property rights, because you have not done your cost accounting properly. if you actually had to pay every urban resident, you had to pay all the farmers and fishermen whose livelihoods were taken away by turning san francisco bay into a freshwater lake. you would see this whole project never made sense except from the point of view of a central governing state. peter: i am partial to robert moses. ever since jacobs won the battle in the 1960's, nothing new has been built in new york city. there is a tricky trade-off. we can distinguish three modes of innovation. incremental progress. we do that well. we have done less of it the last 40 years. breakthrough point technologies which we still do occasionally and are valuable. then there are things which are complex coronation of getting a lot of different pieces to work to

the first was in 1940 when benito mussolini, italy's prime minister asked the greek prime minister for free passage through greece. and on the spot at 3:00 in the morning without hesitation without consultation he said, no. it was a spirited defiance and quite incredible when considering just how vastly outnumbered the greeks were by the italians. it prompted sir winston churchill, the greatest figure of the 20th century in my mind to say it is not greeks that fight like heros but that heroes fight like greeks. and then again in 1943 on the island of zacken thus the german military commander ordered the bishop and the mayor to prepare him a list of the jewish community on the island. his plan was to deport the entire jewish community to concentration camps in poland. the word had gone out that any greek caught hiding a jew would be executed on the spot. instead of preparing this list the bishop and the mayor went to the jewish community on the island, and they sent them into hiding in the mountains or with christian friends in the countryside. they returned to the german military comma