free masonry is first repressed by mussolini in 19205.and also the whole history of collusion between free masonry, crime, the p2 story and various mafia organizations to the freemasons in italy. so, i knew a bit of the story. then i realize, i got the sense you had to duck their version of the history which was the noble tradition of brotherhood and so and in so forth. much of the rest of the world, particularly in italy and britain less so in the united states were free masons had a better reputation it's regarded as less of a menace the regard the free masons to be self back scratching our mutual backscratching organizations. people join the masons to get a better job to get a contract they would not have gotten otherwise. that kind of thing. these two versions of free masonry is noble tradition or as grubby cabal had not emerged and defined people's perceptions, dominated the journalism and that was this dialogue. i want to try to write the book that would both inform freemasons, challenge the way he thought about free masons but also

it's pretty obvious that republicans are doing everything they can to show loyalty to the mango mussolini and not to their country. it's not just the ones currently in office. "the washington post" reports republican candidates for state and federal offices are increasingly focused on the last election, running on the falsehood spread pie the florida man and his allies. but there's nothing like j.d. vance. cnn caught him deleting past tweets critical of trump. he told fox today i regret the tweets and regret being wrong about the guy. i think he was a good president. of course now he wants power because right now there is no republican party without trump. there's just nothing that exists without him. so americans are facing a choice between the real world where coronavirus cases are falling and the economy is bouncing back and a fantasy world on the right where the election was stolen and everything is a culture war. alexander burns of "the new york times" points out in another age, the events of this season, namely biden's success, would have been nearly certain to produce a certain shi

public domain which suggests that by the late 1930s, he was an admirer of adolf hitler and benito mussolinie was writing about, your wider family must have known about some of this stuff. so, when you approached them, when you were commissioned by your dying mum to write the full history of your grandfather, obviously you couldn't discuss it with your mum, she'd passed away — but as you began to discuss it with the wider family, were people prepared to acknowledge that eunice was indeed a fascist sympathiser, an anti—semite and what that something you could have a discussion with them about? not at all, they all told me it was communist propaganda and like a a good lithuanian, that's what i believed initially, too. they — i don't know if they knew about this brochure, my mother must have known because it was in her archive, my grandmother must�*ve known it, but they never talked about it with me. i don't know that my father knew about it, her certainly never brought it up then. and, really, everybody believed it was just communist propaganda and lithuanians where the victims of two regimes

president of united states violating our immigration laws, signing immigration orders like he's benito mussolinind tired of hearing from san francisco nancy pelosi, new york city chuck schumer, what they intended to with our court system, attacking separation of powers, ourf constitutional construct. we are tired of the way the family is trashed in this country, the family. tired of the way private property rights are treated in this country. treated to a lot of things going on in this country. we the people are peaceful. you won't find this running around with molotov cocktails, won't lines attacking cops, we defend copy you won't find us burning cities. we aren't mostly peaceful, we are 100% peaceful. we are done talking about it. the idea that a book like this cell is 400,000 copies and when we can well on the way to half a million, i've been in these movements before. i so whatt happened with libert, to, we our history. we have people in this country who have not contributed a thing to it, trying to tear it down richard was a new wealth snow sx marxists, bernie sanders is going to provide it

new deal, where we have a president of the united states that executes executive orders like he is mussolinir lives, where did that power come from? we need to become more litigious, we need to file complaints with the internal revenue service, we need to show up at shareholder meetings and corporations, we need to show up at public events including school board meetings, we need to claw back money from these colleges and universities. there's a lot we can do and it's about damn time we focus on it. i could talk about general milley until i'm blue in the face. that doesn't solve a thing. these three trump trashing books from the media. you know why we hate the media? because they deserve it. you know why we hate "the new york times"? because it deserves that, as i explained in my book. "the new york times" was a mouthpiece for stalin in 1932 with walter duranty in moscow when he was slaughtering ukrainians. "the new york times" covered up the holocaust. their man at berlin was friendly to the nazi regime for "the new york times" is responsible for fidel castro in that awful regime that is th

. >>> now i want to bring in ruth ben guillat, author of "strong men: mussolini to the present." the perfect guest, right? ruth, thank you for joining us, good to see you. >> hi. >> just days into the trump administration, you predicted we could be heading towards a coup. on february 21, 2017, you wrote, welcome to the shock event designed precisely to jar the political system and civil society, causing a disorientation and disruption among the public and the political class that aids a leader in consolidating his power. from their actions and pronouncements, we cannot exclude an intention to carry out a type of coup, february 1, 2017. at the time, a lot of people thought that was hyperbole. what did you see that many people didn't end up seeing until after the november election leading up to january 6? >> yes, one of those pieces you don't want to write and you hope, you fervently hope that you're wrong. and i saw immediately, i had been studying fascism and authoritarian regimes for so long, that this was not going to be a presidency like any other, republican or democratic, th

. >> indeed, dean, mussolini wasn't physically leading the brown shirts to do their attacks other. we have to confront the uncomfortable "f" word, fascism. when you marry loyalty to one leader and willingness to overthrow the government for that one leader for white americans this corps believes should be on top, i can't avoid. it you've gone further and said we have to talk about terrorism. has all the hallmarks of bin laden type leadership. he wasn't on the the planes either. >> fascism, lot of people don't know what it means. not a common usage term. by explaining we know it's not hyperbolic. gop is not a political party but white nationalist movement that's embraced fascism. that's what we're seeing. christopher wray has testified under oath, didn't use the word insurrection but said this is an act of domestic terrorism. that's the fbi director and words we should be using. act of domestic terrorism, incited by donald trump. his supporters who attacked the capitol are terrorists. two plus two equals four. all are terrorists because the fbi director said it was act of terrorism.

people were questioning democracy and looking across the atlantic at mussolini and saying, he's making the trains run on time. that's where that expression enters our vocabulary. literally in terms of transportation, we had a previous generation wrangling over the commitment to democracy. that commitment to democracy is what defined america in our time. we dare not lose it. with democracy comes a lot of noise and messy process. you need to make sure things can be legitimately inclusive. making sure the process is set up so no one feels like they need to stand in the way of a project or an effort, but rather the voices were there from the beginning. it's that we do the best job, especially those voices that have been marginalized and cut out in past generations. >> is it fair to assume the administration will stay behind the best working one, the idea of one federal decision? there are some very seated debates. when we look at the fact that congress seems to be in this fierce debate, our fear is we are just going to blow past 2050 by 30 years. what idea at as compelling as the idea of u

mussolini had criminal records, and he was under investigation when he came into office, so governanceesidential goals, it's about keeping immunity and amassing as much power as possible. so trump is highly unstable, deeply effective but he's also crazy as a fox. and he has many personality traits as many of these leaders i've studied, megalomania, only i can fix this, but they become obsessed with humiliating, controlling and dominating everyone around them, and what better domination game than to make millions of people believe in an alternate reality that benefits you by depicting you as infallible, i am your voice, and ideally keeping you in office. >> you're saying something really interesting about the big lie. the big lie is a power trip. it's a power move. every time he tells his fans to believe that the election was stolen from him, he's gaining power because they're all believing that lie together, right? or saying they do. >> yes, it's the ultimate power trip. the other thing he did, and every step of the way he was just confirming, which is why i wrote the book. the trump w

people were questioning democracy look at admiringly across the atlantic at mussolini and saint he's making the trains run on time. that's with that expression entered our vocabulary. so literally in terms of efficient transportation that we had a previous generation wrangling over whether we were, in fact, committed to democracy, and that commitment to democracy of course defined america in our time and gives us everything from the functional capacity and the moral authority map of the country. we do not lose it. with democracy comes a lot of noise and messy processes. i heard a describe the volume of the accounts of these as terminal democracy, and so you need to make sure things can be legitimately inclusive and at the same time flow in a certain way. that's larger without making sure processes are set that no one feels like that to stand in a way of a project in the less than but rather the voices were there from the beginning. it's that we do the best job we can, especially those voices that a been marginalized or cut out in past generations transportation works for them. >> so

putin, chinese president xi jinping, mao se dong, and mussolini, having used the phrase fake news.t. you left out no less than adolf hitler. >> that's right. >> who went after the critics in the munich press. it is a standard autocratic technique. you go after the critics. you silence them. you use them as punching bags many you kill them. you assassinate them, and then you take over and hold on to power. if you are voted out of office the way trump was, you claim that it was a fraud and you try to make everybody who voted for you think that they're victims, and you try to get back into power. you claw your way back in. that's what this ex-president is trying to do. he's trying to foment violence even now. >> well, on the heels of that group of names, let's talk about donald j. trump. you write that his years of aggressive speech, that may have played a role in the attacks on the media. but how far does free speech take him and can he ultimately be held accountable for the actions of others because of what he said? >> there are several things involved there. for one thing, it is no

people were questioning democracy and looking admiingly across the atlantic at mussolini. saying, well, he's making the trains run on time. that's where the expression entered our vocabulary. it is literally in terms of delivering efficient transportation that we had in previous generations, wrangling over whether we were, in fact, committed to democracy. the commitment to democracy defined america in our time and gives us everything from the functional capacity we have to the moral authority we have as a country. we dare not lose it. with democracy comes a lot of noise. messy processes. i heard a fellow mayor describe the volume of input at their council meetings as terminal democracy. so you need to make sure things can be legitimately inclusive and, at the same time, flow in a swift way. that's largely by making sure the up so no one feels they need to stand in the way of a project or effort at the last minute but rather those voices were there from the beginning. it's not that everything will agree on everything but anybody will agree on anything but it awe's we do the

this is as dean writes mussolini style. >> absolutely.r lives were lost. how ridiculous was it that we saw this blue lives matter crowd attacking police officers? how ridiculous is it that, you know, the right, conservative right wants to talk about how defund the police is so radical. they're defunding the police right now on capitol hill and as our friend joy reid says they won't even defend the police in this instance. these are very dangerous times. honestly, ali, it is hard for me to dismiss it because we're seeing this take place not only in violence but in violent policy. as we narrow the path to the ballot box, it is not just about voting rights. but this is how you take a person's liberty. you limit their participation in democracy and then you continuously impose draconian policies that will have an adverse impact on all of americans but most certainly a targeted impact on people of color, the rising majority of this country. that, my friend, as you know, is what this is about. the changing demographic and a dinosaur who refuses

you know, benito mussolini wasn't leading the shirts either. we've got to start confronting fascism. when you marry political violence to supreme loyalty to one leader in a willingness and attempt to overthrow the government, who this core believes ought to be in charge and on top in whatever the social configuration is, i can't avoid that. you've gone even further than that and talked about the fact that we've got to start talking about terrorism. as you've said this has all the hallmarks of an al quaeda-like leadership. bin laden wasn't on the planes either. >> i love you're not intimidated by using the ford fascism. by explaining it, we understand it's not hyperbolic. the gop is not a political party. it's a white nationalist movement. it means undemocratic means plus violence. that's what we're seeing. to your other point, christopher wray has testified under oath before congress. he didn't use the word insurrection. he said this was an act of domestic terrorism. that's the fbi director. that's the words we should be using. january 6th was

mussolini invented fash lichl and described everything inside the state, nothing against the state andtside the state. and you know, i don't think either except for a very few on the extreme left today are advocating anything like that. and both sides ought to stand down from this language except where it absolutely literally applies. >> purdue university president, former republican governor of indiana mitch daniels. appreciate talking to you. thank you for coming on today. >> thank you. >>> disturbing new claims about facebook. security experts warn company executives about threatening posts from domestic extremists in the run-up to the insurrection. so did facebook do enough? >>> and four iranian nationals accused of trying to kidnap a u.s. journalist in new york. a woman who claims that she was the target live on "new day" ahead. ♪ ♪ when technology is easier to use... ♪ barriers don't stand a chance. ♪ that's why we'll stop at nothing to deliver our technology as-a-service. ♪ serena: it's my 3:10 no-exit-in-sight migraine medicine. it's ubrelvy. for anytime, anywhere migraine stri

mussolini being taken down by the mob and okinawa island which was the final staging before the invasionof japan and auschwitz was discovered that cow was discovered and allied troops most especially the troops closing in on berlin and there were just so many things have happened which is why devote the time with this book really comes out early next year. >> host: you -- u.n. ashland virginia. >> caller: thank you for this wonderful program. it's interesting to look back andst see a lot of things that e aren't aware of and and i hope that mr. shirley will bring more things at a positive way. i the poem in the reagan library. i can give it to you to see the proclamation he made where he proclaimed in 1983 karen shared a for companies and to do as much as they can to help the lesse fortunate. that's a real positive message that needs to come out even more in these times. i wanted to see if you could comment on two people. i received a letter from president reagan and charles wic ahead of the u.s. information agency related to information andti i sent to him concerning the -- in the early