so people thought mussolini was just some kind of boston we're.e take them, we don't take them seriously, at our peril, and often it's when it's too late and people wake up and say i should have listened when trump said he could shoot someone and not lose any followers in january 2016. back then he was telling us he was sympathetic to violence, capable of violence, personally, and he would be loved for all of this. and he is loved for this. and he has been trying to re-educate americans since 2016 to feel that violence is patriotic. >> yes. >> and justified. and he has been very successful with the narrative of january 6th. >> you have to be clear here, to the degree this was a more theoretical conversation before january 6th, it's not one after. this debate about, where does he fit in this line? he really did try a coup. he really did whip up a violent mob. to try to sack the capitol. he did try to install himself against the will of the people. all this conversation we've talked about since 2016, post january six when he says i want to pardon th

i5 fascist party led by mussolini. is another trend, fascist party led by mussolini. party led by mussolini. is another trend, paul, that it is difficult for so many people across europe right now. people are looking for some simple solutions at a complicated time on some of these leaders are offering that. i complicated time on some of these leaders are offering that.— leaders are offering that. i think ou're leaders are offering that. i think you're right. _ leaders are offering that. i think you're right, lucy. _ leaders are offering that. i think you're right, lucy. people - leaders are offering that. i think you're right, lucy. people focus| leaders are offering that. i think. you're right, lucy. people focus on immigration but look at the world at the moment, conflicts everywhere, fear of climate change, fear of another pandemic. i think throughout history those kinds of circumstances have encouraged leaders, strong personalities, geert wilders whatever you think of him is a strong personality. but, yes, offering clear, simple solutions. these are not people who

he is echoing language used by hitler and mussolini. his campaign seems to be doubling down on that. a lot of republicans, most republicans are frankly quiet and silent on this. ronald mcdaniel refused to comment on it. what you think that is? is a fear, is that they want trump to get reelected? do you think that they agree with him, what can you attribute it to? >> it's fear, and it's cowardice. these elected officials, people that i served in congress, who republicans behind trump, they know exactly what he is. how can you listen to testimony of georgia, that the president sought to remain in power, notwithstanding having lost, and support something like that? but they are afraid. they see liz cheney, adam kinzinger, they stood up for their principles, they expose the danger and were forced out of congress. for liz and adam, there was something more important than continuing to serve in congress. it was the constitution. it was their own character, but for all too many, those things don't matter quite so much as holding their office o

adolf hitler and benito mussolini.mp's words could just be rhetoric since he has proven time and time again he doesn't know about history and doesn't seem to know whether the current president is barack obama or joe biden. one might also note, adolf hitler was imprisoned for staging a coup a decade before becoming the german chancellor, and it was in prison where he wrote the first volume of mein kampf. you can understand why historians are treating trump's worlds like the five-alarm fire it is. the trump campaign put out a fully unhinged, unapologetic statement basically proving they're right. steven chung said, quote, those who try to make that ridiculous assertion are clearly snowflakes grasping for anything because they are suffering from trump derindgement syndrome and their sad miserable existence will be crushed when president trump returns to the white house. meanwhile in another post on his fake twitter today, trump warned special counsel jack smith and other justice department officials will wind up in a ment

>> >> brit: well, i don't see hitler and mussolini. many thought was represent prehence cybil and not becoming of a president. the thing that struck me was he always gets around to complaining about that stolen election. that's -- and that -- and he campaigned basically on that for a long time. it hasn't hurt his support in the republican party but in the general election, i think it would be articleful for him to keep talking about that. it's too little, too late, and most people don't believe it. >> byron, quickly, there are concerns about a second trump administration on the front of going after political enemies. there have been multiple stories about that. just no comment about it from the campaign nor the former president. >> yeah, we have known the former president, if he gets back in office, is planning to use the justice department much more aggressively against some political opponents because he feels that's exactly what has been done to him. whether he would actually do it in office, we just don't know. >> bret: we don't. b

headline, trump calls political enemies vermin, echoes dictators hitler and mussolini. the quote from trump was this. he said, quote, we will root out the communists, marxists, fascists and rical left thugs ut that live like vermin, lie, nd steal, and cheat on elections and will do anything possible, legally or illegally, to destroy america and the american dream. a threat from outside forces is far less sinister, dangerous, and grave than the threat from within. the threat from within. the vermin. former president made these comments in a veterans day speech. they did not appear to be ad-libbed. they appeared to have been written as part of the speech and something he read off his teleprompter. even if by some chance they weren't in the teleprompter for that speech, he made sure he meant them for sure and meant them like that when he put them in writing in a social media post that used the exact same language, that used the same word vermin after he delivered the speech in new hampshire. and this is not subtle. i mean, everybody knows what this means.er if you know one

does the biden campaign feel that donald trump is on the level of hitler and mussolini? >> yeah, absolutely. look alex, thank you for having me on the show. what someone shows you who they are, believe them. we have had for years to see donald trump to bring our country to the brink of destruction, on foreign policy, domestic policy, and now his campaign is clearly outlining what he would do, if you were to regain power in 2025. you know, he is top lending birthright citizenship, mass detention centers by using the military to round of american citizens, in some cases. you know putting children in cages. this is not who we are. and so absolutely, donald trump has proven that he is on the level of hitler and mussolini, by his actions. and again, his campaign is now doubling down, saying that he would do the same things over again if he were reelected president of the united states. and so, the proof is in the putting here. and we americans need to believe donald trump, when he says he would do these things. because unfortunately, he has already been given an opportunity t

the other thing is that from mussolini and hitler on, these types of leaders said these selves of truth tellers. and they're the ones that will tell you the truth that the deep state in this case, the media, they won't tell you. and so he is a victim of this, and all of these narratives and tactics are coming together now so that this is why people ask, well, why does he become popular even though he has more indictments and more legal problems. this is why. he is primed his followers to believe he's the victim, and 's all of the things that happened to him or proof of this. >> jason, people always talk about the notion of -- but i want to talk to you about something that i think is a little nuanced. donald trump is no stranger to attacking his political enemies, but is it fair to say -- because this is something i've watched and other people have noticed. that when it comes to people like alvin bragg, like fani willis, like that he shot james, for example, that his attacks carry a different level of vitriol then when it comes to talking about on mike pence, for example, or even nancy p

what did mussolini talk about?with gypsies. i mean, you can go down the list. and here you have the glorification, the mocking, the ridiculing of a man in his 80s being almost beaten to death. and donald trump is laughing about it. and we know who he is. but who are the people in the audience who are laughing, who are cheering, who are applauding the brutal assault and almost killing of a man in his 80s? who are those people? >> yeah. this is the scary part, isn't it, the fact that as jim points out this taps into something. this is sick stuff, but it is consistent. donald trump has a fetish for violence. he's encouraging the fetish for violence. one of the themes that runs through some of the things we've been talking about is his real appetite for brutality and toward cruelty. during that speech, he once again talked about his enthusiasm for the immediate death penalty. this is something that he has cultivated, and the fact that it gives millions of americans a dopamine hit or even more americans look at that and

or disgusted, no doubt any major political candidate using language that recalls mussolini and hitler, you would be disgusted by. >> we pledge to you, that we will root out the communist, marxist and fashionist tlugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country. >> what would you say if a potential prime minister in canada, a leading candidate to run that great country, said that he or she after being elected was going to use the government to exact revenge on anyone who had criticized him. >> if i happen to be president, and i see someone who is doing well and beating me very badly, i say go down and indict them. >> okay. so you know this is not a theoretical exercise. "the washington post" has reported that donald trump has been mapping out plans to use specific parts of the federal government to punish his critics. to go after his opponents. and that according to people who have talked to trump, trump has said in private that he wanted the justice department to investigate and possibly prosecute among others his former chief of staff, general john kelly and his former a

does the biden campaign trump is on the level of hitler and moose mussolini? >> he's talking about ending birthright citizenships, mass detention centers by using military to round up american citizens in some cases, you know, putting children in cages. you know, this is not who we are. and so, absolutely, donald trump has proven that he's on a level of hitler and mussolini by his actions. and again his campaign is doubling down saying he would do the same things over again if he were re-elected president of the united states. so the proof is in the pudding here, and we americans need to believe donald trump when he says he would do these things because unfortunately he's already been given an opportunity to do them before, and we have to do everything in our power poomake sure he does not get back in the white house to drootry to do it again. >> how essential is this going to be to president biden's re-election campaign, and how concerned are you about some of the polls that show waning support for the president among the latino population in the united state

. >> tonight, straight from the source, it's language that echoes that of hitler and mussolini, but tonight donald trump's campaign is defending how he called his political opponents, vermin. plus, cnn is on the ground inside gaza, getting it firsthand look at the tunnels that are used by hamas as israeli forces are closing in, president biden says that hospitals in gaza quote, must be protected. for the first time in u.s. history, the u.s. supreme court has aid opted a code of conduct with one major question left unanswered. who exactly will enforce it? i'm kaitlan collins, and this is the source. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> it is becoming clearer by the day what a second term for donald trump would center around. revenge, or as he often puts it retribution. he spelling it out clearly for us on camera, warning that it's his political opponents he says, who are the most dangerous threat facing the united states today. not china, or russia, or north korea, his opponents. for someone who is well used similar language to authoritarians in fascists, this weekend in new hampshire, trump took things a step further.

www.vitac.com >>> tonight, straight from "the source," it's language that echoed that of hitler and mussolini, but tonight donald trump's campaign is defending calling his political opponents vermin. plus cnn is getting a firsthand look at the tunnels used by hamas as israeli forces are closing in. president biden says hospitals in gaza, quote, must be protected. >>> and for the first time in u.s. history, the u.s. supreme court has adopted a code of conduct. with one major question left unanswered, who exactly will enforce it. i'm kaitlan collins, and this is "the source." >>> it is becoming clearer by the day what a second term for donald trump would center around, revenge. or, as he often puts it, retribution. he's spelling it out clearly for us on camera, warning that it's his political opponents, he says, who are the most dangerous threat facing the united states today, not china or russia or north korea, his opponents. for someone who has long used similar language to authoritarians and fascists, this weekend in new hampshire, trump took things a step further. >> we will rout out the co

the "washington post" story read, echoing hitler and mussolini. the language is the language dictators use to instill fear. that's what dictators do. other historians and scholars of fascism echo that assessment to which the former president campaign spokesman responded in words that also sounded a lot like things dictators might say. those that make the ridiculous assertion are clearly snow flakes grasping for anything because they're suffering from trump derangement system. and their sad miserable existence will be crushed when trump returns to the white house. it's probably the starkest, clearest version of other sentiments he's expressed in the past year. >> in 2016 i declared, i am your voice. today, i add, i am your warrior. i am your justice. and for those who have been wronged and betrayed, i am your retribution. >> he's a warrior. he's never served, but he's a warrior. the former president back in march. it is tempting to write off what he just said as some kind of shtick like lock her up, or build a wall, or citing lines from the poem "t

he invoked the language of hitler, the language of mussolini this week.t went through your mind when you hear this? >> a lot sure did. in fact, before i answer, could i mentioned something that is a historical milestone for this program, and that is, of course, as stephanie mentioned last night, the departure of our executive producer, laura calk, as you know. well as laura shrewd and compassionate, she's had so much to do with the success of the 11th hour with stephanie ruhle. so, she will be new business of leadership at msnbc. with your permission, could we dedicate this her last segment to our friend lauren and close down the age of peacock for the 11th hour? >> absolutely, she without that. >> you gotta do. in any case, you are talking about to go from the lovely end of the spectrum which is laura, to what donald trump asset. using language like vermin, and the other things that have been said by him this week, this is different from anything we have seen from him before. in fact, is it even possible? in the history, if you look at hitler, look at mu

trump has long toyed with the language of fascists but is now echoing dictators like hitler and mussoliniome in the media are starting to suspect that the guy who sent a violent mob to murder his vice president so he could stay in power might have a dark side. and yesterday, trump's campaign pushed back on the comparison to jack-booted dictators with this reassuring statement. "those who try to make that ridiculous assertion are clearly snowflakes grasping for anything. and their entire existence will be crushed when president trump returns to the white house." "furthermore, anyone who says i'm a cannibal is a liar, and if they say it again, i will eat their delicious face." you'd look pretty good on a bun. naturally, the spokesman's initial statement there was perceived as a bit extreme. so the spokesman -- and this is real -- later clarifie that instead of crushing their "entire existence," he meant to say their "sad, miserable existence." so less of a "walk it back" and more of a "goose step it forward." here's another thing that fascists enjoy doing. they cling to power after voters r

mussolini literally talked about rats after he had become dictator in 1927. we need to kill rats who are bringing infectious diseases and bolshevism in this matches with trump talking about immigrants bringing disease and other such things. this is dangerous rhetoric with a precise fascist history. amna: we have seen him mimic other nazi propaganda, saying immigrants are poisoning the blood of our country. our team ran a search and we couldn't find in the last several years he has been on a national stage, trump using that kind of language before. is this a ramping up of that language? why do you think we are seeing that now? ruth: so as i said, there is a two part team that authoritarians do. they change the view of violence and mr. trump, since 2015, he started saying at his rallies, using his rallies and campaign events for radicalizing people. he started saying in the old days you used to hurt people. the problem is americans don't hurt each other anymore. now he is going into a new phase of openly dehumanizing his targets. so that will lessen the taboos

history openly embracing and echoing hateful rhetoric used by hitler and mussolini amid growing fearsf a second trump presidency solidifying a dictatorship. breaking news in the israel-hamas war -- nbc news has learned negotiators are reportedly closing in on a deal to release some of the hostages in exchange for a pause in fighting. we will go live to the region for the latest. a good sunday morning to you all. i am katie phang. we begin today's show on capitol hill where lawmakers may be home for the thanksgiving holiday but face a hectic schedule when they return. on thursday, president biden signed the stopgap funding bill pushing the threat of a shutdown until at least after the new year. house speaker mike johnson was able to pass his so-called ladder continuing resolution through the house thanks in large part to help from democrats. that see our only extends funding for parts of the government there january 19th and the other parks through february 2nd, setting up future deadlines and more drama. also on the to-do list, a vote to expel new york republican congressman george sa

. >> used by hitler and mussolini to dehumanize peoplend encourage followers to engage in violence. for trump's spokesperson who make that ridiculous exertion, their sad miserable existence will be crushed when trump returns to the white house. meantime, president biden visited arlington national cemetery to mark veterans day and his campaign put out a more traditional political ad. >> he's a war hero. he's a war hero because he was captured. i like people that weren't captured, okay, i hate to tell you. >> joining us now, sam stein, "politico" white house editor and msnbc contributor. tim miller is former communications director for jeb bush's campaign. writer at the bulwark and msnbc political analyst. sa ben's calai is hitting trump over his vermin remark. on weekend when most americans were honoring our nation's heroes, donald trumparted the language of adolf tl, and benito mussolini, in order to defeat exactly the kind of un-american ideas trump champions. the candidates are dug in. we know where their sides are, but will something like this resonate with that small number of v

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of course, he did dream of going up to the capitol, like mussolini, riding with the mob to be restoredo power. that was the vision that he had. he thought he was going to be reinstated as he seized the presidency against the constitutional order. that's an outrageous thing that mike johnson is doing right now to pander to the extreme right. we got marjorie taylor greene and lauren boebert and others calling people who have been convicted by a jury beyond a reasonable doubt of having assaulted police officers, hospitalizing officers, bloodying police officers, breaking their notribs, calling these people political prisoners or they are calling them hostages. mike johnson said he is releasing this for criminal defendants. it's hard to think of a message more antithetical to law enforcement and the capitol police telling us not to do what he and another republican speaker did in sharing this information with tucker carlson. if somebody robs a bank and they are convicted, the fact that you can show a picture of them peacefully eating lunch in the park six hours before is irrelevant to it.

second term should he win in 2024 with language evoking authoritarian figures like adolf hitler and mussolini, calling opponents vermin and warning they're a threat from within. >> we pledge to you that we will root out the communist, marxist, fascist thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country that lie and steal and cheat on elections and will do anything possible, they'll do anything, whether legally or illegally, to destroy america and to destroy the american dream. the threat from outside forces is far less sinister, dangerous, and grave than the threat from within. >> david chalian here with us, cnn's political director, also the host of the wonderful political briefing podcast. david, he, donald trump, is giving us a glimpse into miss m -- mind and a preview of his plans. >> nobody should be surprised if a year from now we're in the midst of a transition to a second trump term, and he won the election, nobody should be surprised what that will look like because donald trump on a near daily basis is telling us what that second term is going to look like and in terms of

just need to say for the record that term vermin was really effectively used by adolf hitler and by mussolinidehumanize people anden courage their followers to go after their opponents. >> i mean, the truth is that trump has had a great deal of success in trying to rally anger and sort of other to his side and to use that as a tool to energize his supporters, and i think that's what we're seeing here. beyond that, though, his remarks, using the word vermin, and just the way he's run his campaign, underscores that this campaign cycle is one that's going to be very negative. it is not going to be one that is about hope and change and the political future. this is going to be one that is about attacking opponents, highlighting and making voters feel that you are on their side. >> it's classic donald trump. he gets people motivated through grievances, through anger, through other, and all of the above. i should say that the trump campaign through a spokesman said, quote, those who try to make that ridiculous assertion about the notion of the word vermin and what it means, are clearly snowflakes g

the former president spent the weekend echoing the kind of language used by hitler, mussolini, much to the delight of his supporters. kristen holmes has more. >> reporter: former president trump ramping up his inflammatory rhetoric. >> the threat from outside forces is far less sinister, dangerous and grave than the threat from within. >> reporter: denny greating his opponents as vermin. >> we will root out the communists, markists and the thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country. >> reporter: the white house likening the remarks used by tho authoritarian leaders. saying it would be horrifyingly recognizable by american veterans. andrew bates says as the former president commands the gop primary with his combative rhetoric, his allies are already planning an agenda for a potential second term including leveraging his department of justice. >> if i happen to be president and i see somebody who is doing well and beating me very badly, i say go down and indict them. >> reporter: a trump 2025 agenda would also expand the hard line immigration policies trump pursued du

he interviewed mussolini, interviewed hitler.nt time all the most important diplomats and leaders of the time, and he came home and wrote speeches for isolationist senators and books for wives and heroes. and he was one of the sedition trial defendants and he was so arrogant, he not only defended himself in court, but he insists there should be mental examinations of his co-defendants, which they once they realized it was a way out, agreed. they all wanted mental examinations. >> he is sort of the leading, i mean, leading fascist american intellectual you document, but there's also -- the seed is being planted in somewhat fertile soil for a bunch of reasons. i wonder if you could talk about why that's the case. like, there is the fact that world war i was brutal and awful, and there's an interesting thing that happens in both this book and ultra which is that people who totally understandably and reasonably were like, whoa, that was a disaster, being kind of prepared to be like, we're never doing that again. and that posture whic

he interviewed mussolini, he interviewed hitler, he spent all of his time with important diplomats ofs for isolationists, and others, and isolationist books wives and heroes. he was one of the sedition trial defendants, and was so arrogant he not only defended himself in court, but insisted that there should be mental examinations of his codefendants. once they realized that was a way out of it, agreed. they all wanted mental examinations. >>> he is the leading fascist intellectual, you mentioned. there is also -- the seed is planted and somewhat fertile soil, for many reasons. can you talk a little about why that is the case? there is the fact that world war i was brutal, and awful. there is an interesting thing that happens in this book, and in ultra, which is that people who totally, understandably, reasonably, say that it was a disaster being prepared to say, we will never do that again. that posture, which is not at all a crazy posture, irrational one, completely, being that slippery slope through which they end up, first, isolationism, and then, outright fascism. in that, you ha

when somebody apes adolph hitler and apes mussolini, when they lift words from 1930 fascist speeches focused at dehumanizing jews, when they talk about executing the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff because he would not go along with a military coup, when they talk about institutionalizing the second he is elected -- and this was just yesterday -- institutionalizing people at the justice department because they're pursuing investigations against him, when he talks about terminating the constitution of the united states of america, then, yeah, yeah, i think, jonathan lemire, the white house is really doing what we're talking about yesterday. they're focusing on donald trump's words. each one of these cases, institutionalizing people in the justice department you don't like, and he makes that threat yesterday after lifting hitler and mussolini's words, what they used to describe jews and other enemies of their fascist regimes. when he's talking about terminating the constitution. when he's talking about doing all of these things. and when he has such extreme remarks on fallen sold

rhetoric prompted the washington post to describe trump's language as echoing the dictators hitler and mussolini. for the record, a trump campaign spokesperson called the comparison a ridiculous assertion from snowflakes who entire existence will be crushed when president trump returns to the white house. also this week, trump re-posted a social media comment suggesting laetitia james and judge engoron should be put under citizens arrest. this all happened, as i say, just in the last week. it's important to note here, as we have, frankly way too often, that there is an established pattern of action taken by donald trump's followers when he targets his perceived enemies. in the two days after trump posted if you go after me, i am coming after you, on social media back in august, a man from alabama, and a woman in texas sent disturbing, violent threats to both the fulton county district attorney fani willis and her office. donald trump knows his supporters listen to him. but he doesn't stop. on monday, federal peels court will hear oral arguments on the gag order that judge tanya chutkan placed on

because, as one historian pointed out, calling people vermin was used effectively by hitler and mussolinis. it's gonna be so awkward when he runs into them in hell. [cheering] we're also learning disturbing things from a new book about trump by my guest on thursday, jonathan karl. you'll recall that prior to the last election, kim kardashian was asking trump to free some people who she believed were serving unjust prison sentences. according to jonathan karl, trump was willing to play ball only if kardashian leveraged her celebrity connections to get football stars who were friends of hers to come visit him at the white house. kim tried, but all the players she approached declined. let me just talk directly to the football players about that decision. "it's good!" [cheers and applause] it is good. trump won't be facing only joe biden next year. he's also up against anti-vax independent candidate and weird-looking clementine you forgot in the back of the crisper, rfk jr. we just found out a couple weeks ago, rfk jr. went barefoot on a first-class flight. let's take a look at what we got he

i mean, we've heard from his spokesperson, those that compare them to it fascist dictator like mussolinibeginning of the next trump administration, not the end. january 6th happen after the purge of disloyal us for they weren't all purged. there were people who stood up and said the right thing. project 2025 visits for the next demonstration. my friends and axioms have reported they are using and trying to screen out anybody who is insufficiently loyal to donald trump. part of it is personnel, getting people to do with the man wants to be done. what does he want to be done? the campaign theme is about retribution and revenge. >> stephen: for him. >> jonathan: for him. what he says they're coming after me because their real target is you and i'm standing in the way. but none of those people paid off porn stars or pilfered classified documents. none of them pressured... [applause] local officials to overturn an election. >> stephen: the return of him to center stage for the republican party and in our daily news is chilling to me because i don't, like, make news or report news. i talk abou