ruth, you literally look -- you wrote the book on mussolini.u, like me, see this as a pretty obvious comparison with people just dismissing the threat from trump like they did with mussolini? >> absolutely. by the way, mussolini declared dictatorship in 1925 to escape prosecution. he was under investigation for having ordered the murder of his chief political rival, a socialist. it looked like he was going to go down. it took the leap, he declared dictatorship. there were many similarities. those republicans that you interviewed, they have seemed a little bit nervous. they reminded me, because you have to choose your words carefully, there is now a party line with the republican party, just like the authoritarian state. they reminded me of the first of our enablers of these dictators, who then get passed aside. some of them end up in prison. they do not have the kinds of faiths that they dreamed they would have often. i think of that, that is a pattern in history as well. >> yes indeed. eddie, how serious is the democratic party taking all of t

you don't want to be a hitler or a mussolini. do you?s it not enough to stop him from using those tactics, from saying those things, from trying to make people think about the world that way? it's not enough because those things worked for him. there is a reason that it is, you know, it's dictators and authoritarians who talk about their internal enemies being government, who have to be rooted out or exterminated. there is a reason that authoritarians who talk about immigrants poisoning the blood of the country. there is a reason they do it because it works on people. it makes people want to put a strongman in charge, to break all the rules and destroy those very scary enemies, right? iran fist. there's been all this discussion, i know, in the past few days about former president, the republican presidential front runner, playing this fascist dictator mix tape, right? i want to be a dictator. i will root out the vermin amongst us, the marxist, communist vermin, those poisoning the blood of the country. there's been a lot of discussion ab

nobody is mussolini but mu mussolini. there is no point in making and no cause to make any sort of moderate analogy to the fascist dictatorships of the 1930s. but we are having this weird a moment in american news and politics right now where half ht the country is shouting about how the republican presidential nominee keeps quoting those dictators.s he keeps saying the kinds of things, the exact kind of thingx that hitler and mussolini said as they ascended to and consolidated power. and you see the names of those dictators and you see the discussion of that period in historyer all over the news right now because he is saying those things. he is effectively quoting tel mussolini and hitler in some ofn their most effective propagandae shtick tactics but pointing out he's saying hitleresque and mussoliniesque things turns out to not be enough to make him sq stop saying those things. he doesn't mind being compared to those people. why is he willing to keep saying those things? despite everybody pointing out,b hey, that's wh

one of the biggest stories which again dates back to mussolini and hitler, is he's the victim. once they present themselves as the victim -- in this case it's the deep state. in other cases it's other persecutors. everything that happens to them, every legal charge becomes proof of the witch hunt. if we look at the people who used the words witch hunt to describe their persecutions, mussolini, erdogan in turkey, sylvia bar scone any in italy. he had dozens of indictments and remained enormously popular. we're not the only nation to go through this, but because of the power their ka has in the world, it would be catastrophic if trump comes back to the white house. >> ruth, thank you for sharing your expertise with us. really appreciate this discussion. >>> when we're back in 60 seconds, israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu claims, quote, it's the beginning of the end for hmgs. what does that look like? >>> plus, donald trump's 11th hour decision not to testify in his civil fraud trial. what it means for the case against him. >>> also, tens of millions under flood alerts aft

he writes about the true believers and says why do we care about hitler and mussolini? they are not important because every generation has a gazillion people who would like to be, a pair of raised by the way, who would like to be hitler's and mussolini's. what we need to study is not the leaders but the followers. why are people willing to follow that which i thought was brilliant. you get people willing to follow a strong man. when you destabilize the population where the population iss destabilized either economically, religiously, culturallyly or socially what tt does is makes them ripe for a strong man to come in and say you are really unhappy, your fathers were better off than you are. you used to be the most important people. the reason you're not important anymore is because of those people. those people don't matter so long as you convince your followers that you can return to a place where they can for example make the country great again. first you say i'm the only one that can do it because i know the true rules whether they are religious or traditional or un

it said, why do we care about hitler and mussolini? because every generation have a lot of people who would like to be -- i paraphrase, who would like to be a hitler or a mussolini but they don't get anywhere. we need to study, not the leaders, but the followers. why are people willing to follow them? i thought that was brilliant. what he argued, you get people willing to follow a strongman when you destabilize a population or a population is destabilized. i don't like the passive voice. either economically, religiously , culturally, or socially, for a generation. that makes them ripe for a strongman to say, you are not happy, your fathers were better off than you are, i can bring back a world that you used to enjoy, where you were the most important people because you're not important anymore because of those people. who those people are doesn't matter as long as you convince your followers that you can return them to a place where they can make their country great again. once you have done that, first of all, they start to follow you

every generation has people who would like to be hitlers and mussolinis but they don't get anywhere. what we need to study is not the leader, what we need to study is the followers. why are people willing to follow that. which i thought was brilliant if you think about it. what he argued with you get people willing to follow a strong man when you destabilize a population or population is destabilized. either economically or religiously or culturally or socially, for about a generation. what that does is makes them ripe for a strong command to come in and say you are really unhappy, your fathers were better off than you are, i can bring back a world you used to enjoy where you used to be the most important people because the only reason you are not important anymore is because of those people. who those people are doesn't matter so long as you convince your followers that you can return them to a place where they can, for example, make their country great again and once you have done that, first of all they start to follow you because you have promised to return them to prominence and

and he writes a book called true believers, and he says, why we care about hitler, mussolini? not important because every generation has a gazillion who would like to be i paraphrase, by the way, who would like to be hitler's and mussolini's, but they don't get anywhere. what we really need to study is not the leaders or what we need to study as the followers. why are people willing to follow that? which i thought was frank and brilliant, really, if you think about it and what he argued was that, you get people willing to follow a strong when you destabilize a population or a population is destabilize you know i don't like the passive voice either economic highly or religiously or culturally or socially for about a generation. and what that does is it makes them ripe for a straw man to come in and say, know you're really unhappy, your fathers were better off than you are? i can bring back a world that you used to enjoy where you used to be the most important people. because the only reason you're not important anymore is because of those people. now, who those people are doesn

and he writes a book called true believers, and he says, why we care about hitler, mussolini? not important because every generation has a gazillion who would like to be i paraphrase, by the way, who would like to be hitler's and mussolini's, but they don't get anywhere. what we really need to study is not the leaders or what we need to study as the followers. why are people willing to follow that? which i thought was frank and brilliant, really, if you think about it and what he argued was that, you get people willing to follow a strong when you destabilize a population or a population is destabilize you know i don't like the passive voice either economic highly or religiously or culturally or socially for about a generation. and what that does is it makes them ripe for a straw man to come in and say, know you're really unhappy, your fathers were better off than you are? i can bring back a world that you used to enjoy where you used to be the most important people. because the only reason you're not important anymore is because of those people. now, who those people are doesn

mussolini literally talked about killing rats, to go back to trump's use vermin in an earlier speech. he talked about killing rats, who were bringing infectious diseases and communism into italy. so you know, this is fascist rhetoric and he's using it for a very precise purpose. but we also want to ask why he's using it now so often? and unfortunately, the trump campaign has made it very clear what they want to do to immigrants. mass deportations, mass detentions, likely abuses and violence in those operations. and, you know, dehumanizing immigrants, which is what this language does, is a way to get americans prepared now to accept these repressions later on. that's what's so terrible, and that's also another thing that's so fascist about this. >> ron, i mean, help us look at big picture here if you can. i mean, obviously, the electorals i mean, for the republicans. it's hard to emergency swing voters in places like suburban, philadelphia or michigan, wisconsin, gravitating to this kind of language after they have already rejected it before. this is something heard from trump in previ

specifically adolf hitler and mussolini. using it to demonize immigrants in the present. this is not a slip of the tongue, it's not just lose top. this time the rhetoric is accompanied by plants. mass deportations, massive immigration camps, purges of disloyal government workers. and already the gop has deployed varying manners and methods of saying that trump's remarks are really nothing to see. from trying to tell you what he really meant. >> they wanted to focus all the sunday shows on the word he, used poison. he was just trying to say we want to keep america america, we want to build up the border and find out who's coming in and out. and they tried to say that this language was the problem. >> two assuring you that he really didn't know what he was saying at all. >> i think it's highly unlikely that donald trump has ever read mein kampf. i think the reality is, that he continues to attract for something outrageous that he said. but he continues to drive the issue back border security. which is what he wants to be talking about. >> through admitting that frankly no o

and again he is borrowing their language from authoritarians past specifically it off hitler and mussolini. he's using it to demonize immigrants in the present this is not slip of a tongue and just used talk this time it's a company with plans like mass deportation government workers. and already the gop has deployed varying manners and methods of saying that trump's remarks are really nothing to see from trying to tell you what he really meant. they wanted to focus all the sunday shows on poison. he saying we want to keep america america build up the border and find out who's coming in and out they tried to say that this language was the problem. to assure you that he really didn't know what he was saying it all. it's highly unlikely that donald trump has read this. left continues to attack for something outrageous he said but is driving the issue back to border securities with china talk about. admitting frankly that no one gives a -- are you comfortable with him using words like that. we're talking about language i could care less what language people use as long as we get it right the

she is also the author of the important book, strongman, from mussolini to the president. happy new year and advance. michael, we've heard the word unprecedented thrown around a lots. this, spurring donald trump can be judging from a primary state to a court, back and forth. has the country ever seen anything on any level like this, and how ready are we to deal with what is going to look like? >> just to give you an example, let's go through the time machine back to the distant year of 2000 and 2000 election. all core versus george w. bush. couple days before the 2000 election, it was revealed the george w. bush, as a young, man had gotten a deal, it's diy charge in 1976. 24 years earlier. bush's aides, to this day, think that almost robbed him of the ability to become president. they feel that a number of, millions of americans, began shifting away from bush because they thought this was a deal breaker for someone who might be presidents. you know, charles and ruth, compare that to what we've got this morning. at the same time, unlike dictators in history, like hitler, mu

he was told that mussolini was a bad person , and mussolini was a bad person, and he had to pick up anister sitting down with somebody who says my derivative is mussolini , and it's a good is mussolini, and it's a good thing . what point can we not thing. what point can we not speak out and say , why are you speak out and say, why are you blaming people who are refugees? and why aren't you dealing with the real problems ? the real problems? >> thank you very much. joint national secretary of stand up to racism. obviously there's a range of different opinions down here. we'll be chatting to more people here at the event. we've got the dj stage has been set up and jeremy corbyn is due down as well. okay >> thank you. ray didn't answer the question did he, about will he take any refugees into his house? let's quickly move on. ray will come back to you later in the show and it's emerged that have reportedly that airlines have reportedly refused to sign contracts fly refused to sign contracts to fly asylum seekers to rwanda. firms are to are worried about damage to their reputations from b

the answer is, will be the 1935 passes easily led by dictator benito mussolini decided to expand its colonial empire in africa and take over the opiate. by that time, ethiopia was the only fully independent state on the continent. a bag in 1896. its inhabitants were able to feed the italian colonies and defend their independence since then. rome craved for revenge for the humiliating defeat. in the morning of october 3, 1935. without any announcement, the foxes attacked ethiopia and bombarded it most severely. ethiopian armed forces bod, courageously. but the rude taylor t. a. b. a tell you and knew no bounds. they use not only massive bombing attacks on civilians, but also chemical weapons. toxic gas is this james the course of the war. as a result of the occupation of ethiopia by the fascist 760000 people were killed. the capture of the african state was committed with europe's tacit approval. britain and france recognize the annexation giving the green light to a further fastest expansion in the world and paving the way for the outbreak of world war 2. the very best of yourself an

. >> you can't bring up the fact that the donald trump talks like a fascist or mussolini or hitler.n fact, you go back and see what adolf hitler said about vermin. >> he was talking about people coming from other countries, coming from prisons, and they wanted to focus -- all of a sudden, lauren, the word he used, poison. he was just trying to say we want to keep america america. howard: joining us now to analyze the coverage in detroit, robby soave, senior editor at reason magazine, and in san diego, laura fink. robby, donald trump loves to stir up this kind of controversy, but are much of the media going too far in saying he's hitler, he's mussolini, he's the farrest? >> frankly, at this point i think the reaction to these remarks tells you more about the media than it does about donald trump. look, if i was donald trump, would i choose my words more care friday? for sure -- carefully. but if this was a criticism that would stick, it would have worked by now. the media's favorite retrain. the amount of coverage this story got this week was baffling. they just -- the media thinks t

democracy worldwide, and she is the author of a very important and timely book, strongmen, from mussolini to the president. good morning to both of you. thank you for being with us. the interesting part of this for those following, ruth, is that maybe tanya, it maybe fani willis will gather a case in august, or maybe earlier, maybe not. maybe the january six case will be delayed. maybe georgia will be delayed. your argument all along has been dealing with donald trump and the threat that he poses to democracy may not be in a court of law. it may have to be a political process in that may have to involve a very involved republican party. >> yes, however, i can't overestimate the importance of this, these rulings, and we are hearing so much about the army of corrupt we are cats and lawyers that trump is assembling to manage his autocracy, the trump 2025, but we have a army of courageous and dedicated civil servants and prosecutors and judges who are upholding the rule of law, and using the instruments that are available to us to show that no one is above the law, and the essence of authorit

she is carefully and precisely warning how she views donald trump as a would-be dictator like mussolini or mao, that if he does win next year, based on everything she's learned. and remember, the high level of the republican party that she's reached, she is now certain based on the evidence he would try to stay in power forever. >> do you believe that if donald trump were elected next here, that he will try to stay in office beyond a second term? that he would never leave office? >> there's no question -- >> do you think he will try to stay in power forever? >> absolutely. i mean, he's already done it once. he's already attempted to seize power. and he was stopped, thankfully, and for the good of the nation, for the republic. but he said he will do it again. he's expressed no remorse for what he did. >> everything you heard her say there is a public fact. it's not contested in the actual reality of people who follow facts and evidence. and so, it matters that we are witnessing here a failed u.s. coup leader run for reelection without remorse, without taking a knee of it back, let alone

phony democracy, it's not democracy, it's a rule by a tiny elite, a corporate elite, it's basically mussolini's version of fascism, that's what we have, and we have complete control of the media by the science, there is some what you're saying about the mass. protests, that's true, but uh, we are so weak, the only way we can fight the media is canadian justice for peace in middle east, they have monitoring of newspapers across canada, and they call us to write letters protesting the vial anti-palestinian bias, but you know that it's it's almost hopeless, but we can't say hopeless, we have to keep doing what little we do. to and just hope that uh uh as far as i can see the only hope is hezbollah pushing harder and i don't know uh if the they they are the the bright spot on on our whether or not they have much effect but they do give that kind of media uh presence so my hope is with the resistance uh across the middle east that they uh they can uh push harder and and but i don't know, i think it's going to lead to a wider war, because if the more you push us israel then it will turn on you and it

talk about the rise of uh, i don't want any other word for it, jewish fascism a jabatinski, i think mussolini at one point praised jabatinski as a good fascist, it's always been there, one of the first stories i covered was merikahana in israel, this fascistic rabbi, he was uh, but israel banned his party, i think it was in 1994, the cock party. um and now that virulent strain, overtly racist, it's all come out, especially in the netanyahu government, talk about that strain within zionism and its political triumph, well there are two elements, one is the anti-democratic element and one is the racist element, um, the anti-democratic element was not uh prevalent uh, except in so far as it had to do with arabs. in other words, there was a high degree of tolerance for democratic diversity in israel in so far as the jewish population was concerned, the arab population from 1948 onwards for 18 years was under military government, and so you had democratic regime for jews and a military government for arabs, now they could vote, but they had to check in with the with the general security services, t

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mussolini was hanged.joseph stalin died for a long time, lying in his own urine without medical help. serbian executioner slobodan milosevic died in the cell of the gaza tribunal, during his trial. the last communist dictator of the 20th century the romanian father of the nation, nicolae Časescu , was shot together with his wife after a quick trial, it happened these days on december 25, 1989 . our historical investigator, stas yasynskyi, explains why there is a ban on refrigerators, overcrowded old houses and menstrual police. i won't show you the footage of ciolosescu's death, they amaze with their naturalism, the romanian dictator and his wife were taken out of the courtroom, put against the wall and fired several rounds from machine guns. the moment of the volley was not caught in the frame, because the cameraman could not have guessed that everything would happen so much quickly. why is it so fierce and terrible, why are these people who lived in chelushescu's country and greeted him with applause, fo

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they saw the same characteristics that you see in mussolini and others.se are people who without conscience want to make the government there's to control for their benefit. to destroy their enemies and to destroy democracy. host: you are on with george conway. caller: a little housekeeping before i hand over my question. to george, i am sorry that you are so swayed and fooled by donald trump. somehow, you are so dismayed and so confused by it. even lie on the surface and parade. if you look at the tapes of it, obviously you have. uc police escorting people and shaking hands, fist bumping i do not deal with any of that. you just do these political lies. why did you put yourself forward? guest: i'm not going to get into the personal stuff. i would rather be somewhere else that here today. i avoided publicity my whole life. even when i was doing things that were political. i hoped get bill clinton impeached. i do not like politicians. i do not like liars. that is what this is about. yes, i was confused by donald trump. i am ashamed that i supported him in 2

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just last year in italy, a party descended from mussolini formed the most far right government therei. >> they were formed by the nazi movement. >> blamed liberal immigration policies for the country's problems. >> in sweden, a party neo-nazi roots -- >> issues like crime and immigration are front and center. >> -- won the second most seats in the country's parliament. >> i just received a call from secretary clinton. >> in the united states, we saw donald trump use the issue to get himself to the presidency. >> stop the steal. [ crowd chanting ] >> america showed up. >> and then began busting up all kinds of institutions that affected the lives of americans. you never know until it is too late. if liberals won't defend the border, fascists will. >> america seems open these days to an anti-immigrant message. more than half of americans believe there is an invasion at the border. including 40% of democrats. and while three in four once believes that it was important for america's identity, just over half now think that is true. and with 2024 fast approaching, two of the most political

>> i will tell you what, i will be a dictator for one day, i knew mews mussolini for he was a great guy. el capone, based on me, the bran dough part, based on mow, america needs it, thank you, very much, china. >> the fact that it comes on that soon. i closed my eyes nor a second and squinted, i'm maybe talking to him. chris christie i had quite a battle with vivek ramaswamy, who won that battle? >> chris christie used the exact tactic in marco rubio in 2020, point out your america can we all just take a shot every time ron desantis tells us, let me tell you buckle up, there's going to be a new sheriff in town, i think you all know it. ron desantis won't even admit that his heels don't fit, also laura what's up with republicans holding up signs in the middle of debates? >> on a white legal pad? >> desantis holds up the poop map of san francisco and this time, nikki haley bad site, i don't know what's bad now. >> it is receipt throw is in. this is called handwriting young voters, use this to do this. maybe a yellow legal pad, little bit of color in the world, matt i don't know why you do

long's dispatches to washington from rome praised the fascist mussolini and his regime for well-paved, dapper black shirted stormtroopers and punctual train. his previous diary described hit remember's mein kompf, and this is a guy he put in charge of immigration. and long below the level allowed by existing law and one diary entry from 1940, he described meetings with fdr, the whole subject of immigration, visas, safety the united states, procedures to be followed and quote, i found that he was 100% in accord with my idea. he kept a diary, that was in his diary. until 1944 when congress got wind of long's doings, he was doe motored. throughout his life, he made remarks about jews, roosevelt, and professor meta update rates, allows prejudices influence america's response to the persecution of european jews. among other things roosevelt blamed polish jews for anti-semitism in poland spoke of the understandable complaints of the germans about the prominence of jews in some professions. this is roosevelt. boasted to a colleague we know we have no jewish blood in our veins. help bring abo

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miss existence, quote, crushed, for making comments that link his speech to adolf hitler and benito mussolini. so, they know what they're doing. trump is a very skilled propagandist, and he's teaching americans to desire au authoritarian relationship and all the racism and violence that comes with that. >> and if you have to deny it, i mean, that's the other aspect of this, too, i mean, a presidential candidate having to deny that he's readparroting ad hitler. but in the meantime, ruth, i wanted to ask you about this, because i thought this was a very interesting development since our conversation last wee weekend, "the des moines register" has a poll of iowa republicans, asking, does trump using the statement immigrants who enter the u.s. illegally are poisoning the blood of america, make you more likely to support him, 42% said yes, 28% said no, 29% said it didn't matter. 42% saying more likely. what do you think about that? >> yeah, this -- you know, trump is a very skilled propagandist, and he has been educating people to think that such language is not only acceptable, but necessary. nec

i knew mussolini. he was a great guy. we had golf last week at the great mar-a-lago. i will tell you look at the great criminals. you see al capone, a great guy. the god father was based off of me. we know the brando people. i consulted him on the role. but a dictator is a good thing. america needs it. thank you very much. china. >> the fact that it comes on that quickly. >> it does. i'm sorry. >> i close my eyes for a second and squinted like this -- b you know, it wasn't just him this week who made an impression. chris christie had quite the bone to pick with vivek ramaswamy at this week's debate in tuscaloosa. who one that particular battle? >> there was no winner in my opinion. i just love the fact chris christie used the same tactic as with marco rubio in 2016. ron desantis is a bigger threat than a.i. america, could we take a shot every time ron desantis says, let me tell you buckle up because there's going to be a new sheriff in town. also, laura, ron desantis couldn't admit that donald trump is not fit for office. he won't even admit that his heels don't fit.

extraordinary rulings for one purpose and that is this in my view if you think donald trump is hitler or mussolinir this is all the media. and execute people we heard on msnbc you will have to do whatever you have to do even if you are a judgment at every case he gets a obama or biden appointed judge last word? >> of august and the bake it basic in notion the ends do not justify the memes. this is a situation the hard-core anti- trump weaponize department of justice, along with prosecutors in different states announced they were going to go after him which is completely unethical, have all done their bid to try to affect the election by being creative coming up with charges for things that were never a legal like presidential records or nondisclosure agreements in new york. are doing it construction trial but not calling it an insurrection trial. the creativity is the red flag anybody has been involved in criminal justice should be able to fairly look at this and say something is really wrong with the lack of due process that accompanies one man. >> i want to thank you, you are very honorable man

he interviewed mussolini, it viewed hillary.ith all the most important diplomats in four leaders of the time. and then he came home and he wrote speeches for isolationist senators and books for isolationist wives and heroes. and he was one of the sedition trial defendants and he was so arrogant he not only defended himself in court. but he insisted that there should be mental examinations of his codefendants. was there was the there's actually a way out of. they agree, they'll want metal examinations. >> he is, he's the leading, i mean, he said there's a leading fascist american intellectual the document. also the seed is being planted intimate fertile soil for a bunch of. reasons i want if you could talk a little bit about why that's the case. there is the fact that world war i was brutal. and awful. and there's an interesting thing that happens in both this book and ultra, which is that people who totally understandably and reasonably were like, that was a disaster. being kind of prepared to be like, we're never doing that aga