culture and what's happening in,ouou know, allll kinds of kid of creative outlets: fashion, film, mususic, um, art,t, you k, anything that's sort creative outpuput that''s happening. . wt all of that into our work, whether it building or something smaller or larger than a building, it's part of our, you know, what we consider architecture to be and the role that we play as architects in this city. second woman: we like to kind of incorporate in a lot of our projects something that feels a bit handmade, whether it even be just hand-painted--is like, you know, the smallest level on the graphic levevel--or somometg that has s some sense e of craft about it. we've alwlways--we're constantltly searching for wall-mounted, like, a sconce that really gives a warm glow. woman: i met with cisco, and we started t tking about, you know, the kinds of things thatt they are doing in their store with light fixtures and the different ways that they have solved cerertain other problemss befofore, so foror us, doing ths as a first kind of product prproject, thehe lig fixixture. secocond woman: we i immediat