the second speaker is muzaffar chishti director of the policy institute of new york university law school the interplay of which he will present the justice system. and the next speaker will be donald kerwin, who is the director for the center for migration studies in new york and a nonresident fellow at the institute. he will be talking about detention and removal. the fourth is not a presenter, but she is sitting right there. i would like to thank clay claire very much for all of her efforts, as well as thank my colleagues for this extraordinary report that i know that we will all enjoy very much. thank you all very much. doris, if you could please come to the podium. >> good morning. thank you very much, dimitri. i wish you a very happy 2013 as well. we are talking this morning about immigration enforcement. dmitry has keyed the topic. it is often said that there is no agreement in the country on immigration policy. when that we are deeply divided and so forth. of course it is true and of course we are deeply divided. but in fact, there really has been one element of immigration policy