mychal, maybe you can help me. are no police, like are, you proposing or do you see a world with no police? or is it just a different kind of people who enforce laws? what does that mean? >> we say "abolish the police" because we mean abolish the police. there's no mincing of language there. there's nothing that we're trying to trick you on. but the thing i think that-- where i come down is just who is making the positive arguments for the police at this point? and i say that because tell me something right now that the police are are good at, other than what whooping, other than doing that, what are they good at? they don't prevent murders. they come in and try to figure out who did the murder afterwards. and they don't do any of the things that they're sent out to do. like patrisse is telling us, like, we want them to, like, solve homelessness, but what that means is just get the homeless people out of the street. we want them to solve these mental health crises, but that just means kill the people who have rhavi

then we look at the growing movement to defund the police with professor alex vitale, author mychal denzel smith, and activist linda sarsour. >> defunding the police is simple. that means get police out of our schools, get police out of addressing homelessness, get police out of addressing mental health crises. put police where they belong, and that is not in our communities to address things that require qualifications and expertise. amy: all that and more, coming up. welcome to democracy nowow!, democracynow.org, the quarantine repoport. i'm m amy goodman. as h historic prprotests contino sweep the itited states two weeks afr r the licece mder ofof georgeloyd, ththe minneapolis city couilil annnceded sday itit will move to sband the city's police deptmtment. nine members of thcocounci a veto-proofajajorit madade e vow duri a a comnityty rly onn sund.. this is minneapolis city councilmember phillipe cunningham. we will get to that clip in a moment the about to disband the police can ju d days ter r th mimieapolis city council voted b ban chokeholds and neck restraints. derek chauvin, the