was, er, there was a very famous story about mykola matusevych or vasyl ovsienko, a human rights defender, and they are both co-founders, together with you, of the ukrainian helsinki group. the attitude of the state towards people who, defending the values of the idea of the independence of the country, gave the best years of their lives to exile and to exile and to er and to struggle do you think about these things sometimes er do you or do you not it seems that this is actually not an unpunished evil. well, first of all, i would like to answer specifically about this case with pensions. i personally thank god for the fact that i have the necessary minimum wage so that i do not stand next to e trash can and didn't pick up food from it, but eh, i thank god for that, i'm not right, and that's why er, if you already know how to refer to the evangelical er truths, i don't know if i have the right to everything in this situation, but i would say so, i'm more er worried about the question of whether i will have gifts in heaven er, and here er- on earth, i personally don't care much about i