myron ullman was out offed from this company. >> here's a very strange case. they, everyone felt jcpenney was on a slow decline. so they bring in ron johnson. great record at apple. great record at target. and comes in as a massive failure. they didn't stick with him. they didn't provide the money to see this thing through and rehired his predecessor. melissa: is that a mistake? should they have stuck with ron johnson in that case? >> they should have known once the thing floundered in the beginning the amount of time to reshape this thing will be massive amount of time. now where are they going to go? i'm not sure mike mull man how long he will be there but they have to stop the bleeding. >> do you think he is temporary and same thing about a.g. lafley? >>az lafley left in a blaze of glory. he turned it around. unfortunately the successor had problems. that is not more leisurely case. they have to bring in new talent. they're a little shortrt on the top bench. it will take him a couple years to do it. he had success where ullman said, you didn't do that very