n>>awaz: judy, sithe tera dws x million paiege vws m aonth rliddwe-- four tims es amany ashe.s u. national sdeuici pren ltionifinele. d,os mt visitors w30ere or unr.ge e ew"n york times"or repte,rs brgaiel dance angad men ohtwey, aledyz more than 1il.2 mlion meagsses on the site. eyxa emined membernls' oine stieors, combed thhroug hundreds of s pageofol pice and ror nerecords, ander intviedew zedons of familiefes lt hibend. tand,hefoy und at least 45 dehsat by suicide ulin mtiepl uncotries linkedth to e tesi. gatwn ohey and gab drielance join me now. welcome outo y bh.ot thand an fksor making thei tme. megan, i at is snntuing report that you boath hveo wrk oedn. those 45 suciides you linked to the siante rger fom a -yr-eaold girl inl ilinois to a 8-5year-old man in texas. do yavou he y anway of knowing ift oher peoples alo visited the te and th deni bedy suicide? >> yeah, absoteluly. ose were 4 d5eaths in whi wche rewe actually ae blto identyif the persohn wo died. and you're htrig. thers e wanoont lay ea16-yr-d.ol e therwaa s 17-year-old. there wayos-- un kow, trehe were other teena.gers most ohf tose deaweths re young peleun, der 30. and wheat w fuond is that in alyzing morean th oen miiolln meag oesn the sitee, w found th t therue talyl of death is kely hundredrs moe. weerabe le to anlyaze these good-bye threa, dsessentially oppele who ca omenline and narratedir the attptems as they twereakg inplace. and thhroug ver syophiatsticed procofess analyzingo thse meesssag, wweere able ton fid that 500 mem, bersroughly tow pelepe r week, did such -bgoodyehr teads, and t nhenever edpost again. >> gabelri weh sould menti wone arnonat ming the site here. diyou d ryve late in your report. yodid u weigh not doing that at all? 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