they pulled out of the n.p.t. and a major crisis was caused. you've got to be consistent. we haven't done that. we always blame them for doing something. but they have the same men in dealing with us for a dozen years and they remember all the naughty things we've done. >> given things like face are so important in the asian culture. do you think sometimes we just don't get that? >> i won't say who but i was jong ill kim jong ill felt really dissed president bush said something about his height which is not overwhelming and it really bothered him. but in the action exiss of evil stuff they don't like that. they don't like to be lumped with other countries even though they sometimes act worse than them. military to military ties are always good. now i was an envoy president george w. bush in 2006, 2007. the north koreans came to me through new york and they said we want to do a gesture and we like you. i was about to run for president. i said don't broadcast that. so we want to give you some remains of american soldiers. and i had been working on that for years. a lot of ko