attack the real problem of cyber security threats which is that the government groups like the n.s.a. been funding. in the creation of vulnerabilities in our computer systems and exploiting them for their own purposes in till we stop that until the government stops funding cyber security holes it seems a bit ridiculous to say that the solution in the cyber security is more spying and collecting more data about america but what are the implications of transferring that power away from the national security agency to a civilian agency. well that's certainly a huge improvement i mean if you look at the track record of the n.s.a. it's infamously been one of the most ferocious groups spying on americans collecting data about americans building huge databases and drawing that try and collect all sorts of material you know from a tweet or e-mail records putting more material is really frightening and taking it away from the n.s.a. is a huge positive step but it doesn't i mean you know at the end of the day it's one government agency or another government agency it doesn't solve the underlying pro

n.s.a. what went wrong. what could have been one of the tragic really the tragic side of all this is what could have been it's one of the things i continue to live with more than a decade later you know to the extent you can talk about that what could have been well deliberate decisions were made to ignore. and pushes critical critical technology including a program called thin thread a breakthrough. engineering solution a breakthrough program provided superior intelligence had solved the challenge probably one thousand. data in real time and ten thread was something that you were working on as walker i was a member of a small team of people along with bill bennett and the other n.s.a. whistleblower and. in a small research center there were about a dozen of us including contractors and small number of contractors looking for ways to deal with the mass of data that the information brought to the equation and we failed at something but we also learned some things and made some big breakthroughs in fact the deputy director of n.s.

been east. served as technical director for n.s.a. s m group a branch that was reportedly responsible for eavesdropping on the world today he estimates that the n.s.a. has secretly compiled and stored more than twenty trillion files of e-mails phone calls and other data belonging to u.s. citizens when it comes to social media he says even users with the strictest security settings are not protected the reality of that is that that's not private at all if the companies don't have the government doesn't have it so either of them have it or they share with the unobstructed sharing of information is what's made half of billion people flock to social media sites like twitter but missing from the terms of agreement is the monitoring that can be taking place as citizens are bursting their short messages into the virtual world marina portnoy r.t. new york. this is all see on this plenty more to come this hour for you including a look at the devastating impacts how the breaks polar divide the separation takes servers and now the israelis sets

n.s.a. part of justice who have. been the ones to bring his information about things like you know so you know wiretap you know they they were found out about it and so it's . everyone is subject to a great degree of danger on that front that's why i guess it would be great for people sort of outside those who support these kind of things to. donate to bush river groups or the money. they attention to the information that comes out of the very least make sure that this risk doesn't doesn't go now but it is used that's the part that supporters and to the rest of us always up to the individuals involved in each. it does same with the war on whistleblowers only time will tell thanks so much for coming out and giving your opinion that was bare brown founder of project plan. capital account is up next on our two so let's check in with lauren lister to see what's on today's agenda what's going on lauren did you ever see the movie inside job the documentary it won best documentary out the oscar oh yes that's a great movie yeah r

has been there since the eighteen hundreds and contracts have always been on earth he looked at the n.s.a. and this claims about the due diligence they were supposedly doing he was very impressed now fast forward in those years and sees how to counts in the us he barely missed m.f. global bankruptcy by luck he had pulled his money out of them of global got in a fight with the broker he was caught up in the rough go bankruptcy luckily he got his money back now after this where he has had his money with p.s.g. and it is frozen he cannot get it here is his assessment. but this seems to be airy current thing it's becoming a structural problem and but honestly it but i don't feel joy changed by the regulators i mean when we went in and invested in the us we invested in what appeared to be the safest place i mean of course you bear the risk of the trades you bear the risk of the commodities are the future contracts that you got in but no one ever said that you're going to bear the risk of the regulators not doing their job. so should we be considering that i don't know a systemic risk that regu

so that's something that in terms of exposing what they've been growing you're going to do more reading because let's not forget that the n.s.a. gave us that complete b.s. answer yes when asked by members of congress how many americans communications have you actually looked at and they said we can't tell you because it would violate their privacy to tell it's insane exactly so they're have this big utah facility now it's sweeping up everything i don't care what they say it's getting everything now you cannot tell me with a straight face that you're not seeing u.s. citizen information this person from ation if you're getting everything so it all it is all about at this point time their own self-restraint which frankly from what i've heard on the inside being being used more importantly there are provisions of the patriot act which have been implemented in secret that is say that you or i as a citizen do not know what necessarily we're doing to break the law because they've made the actual violation secret which is against the constitution it's ludicrous and it is likely we have i mean senator ron wyden has been one of the peo

the resigning of the limits act which no one is they've been paying attention to right now is one of those things in question it means that the n.s.a. can listen to you and your dad and every other american pretty much as it wishes what we actually spoke about that a little bit yesterday on our show and i what do you think that says about our culture where you have somebody like senator ron wyden that has to fight in order to be able to be an american just say that we think that we can be sure that more than once there at least once you are violate your constitutional rights were violated with the fai's amendments act you actually have to fight in order to say that in the question in my mind that it should be in every american small is why we're here eleven or twelve years into this business why more americans down the highway in a single year than a million killed and every terrorist attack that's ever occurred against this country why are we doing this why are we spending billions of dollars interfering with perhaps even disassembling the constitution doing all these things for our security when our securities in pretty good shap

only nine point one billion dollars has been spent on training and employment education for adults and you're probably thinking well yes agencies like the cia and n.s.a. need their documents to be classified to protect america's national security but this classification spending is working entirely outside of the agencies that you would think even need it is because the central intelligence agency the defense intelligence agency the national security agency the national reconnaissance office the national geospatial intelligence agency and the office of the director of national intelligence are not even included in the eleven point three six billion dollars you know the part that really puts this on a perspective is the director's statement that accompanies the report about why these costs are so essential he says increasing investment in classification and security measures is both necessary to maintaining the classification system and fundamental to the principles of transparency participation and collaboration so classifying for transparency ha well george orwell would be proud abby martin r.t. washington. well that's going to do it for this hour o

been right for. the border we. decided to begin to tell. you what it is binney spent thirty seven years working for the n.s.a. before resigning to blow the whistle on what he calls the creation of an orwellian state. or for the areas. that we see that we think is. true. at the high. of his career he served as technical director for n.s.a. group a branch that was reportedly responsible for eavesdropping on the world today he estimates that the n.s.a. has secretly compiled and stored more than twenty trillion files of e-mails phone calls and other data belonging to u.s. citizens when it comes to social media he says even users with the strictest security settings are not protected the reality of that is that private all. the companies don't have. either of them or they share with the unobstructed sharing of information is what's made half a billion people flock to social media sites like twitter but missing from the terms of agreement is the monitoring that can be taking place as citizens are bursting their short messages into the virtual world we're in important i.r.t. new york. and ahead on the program a look

n.s.a. chief general maden. they -- general hayden. they wrote the following. "we carry the burden of knowing that 9/11 might have been averted with the intelligence that existed at the time. we dot want to be in the same position again when cyber 9/11 hits. it is not a question of whether this will happen. it is a question of when. and, mr. president, this time all the dots have been connected. this time we know that attacks are occurring against our internet systems, our cyber systems each and every day. this time the warnings from all across the board are loud and clear. i urge our colleagues to heed these warnings and to support the motion to proceed to the cybersecurity bill. thank you, mr. president. mr. lieberman: mr. president? the presiding officer: the senator from connecticut. mr. lieberman: i thank the chair. mr. president, i thank my dear friend and ranking member on the homeland security committee for her excellent, thoughtful statement. i thank senator rockefeller, chair of the commerce committee, for his, i thought, compelling statement on behalf of proceeding and of course on behalf of the underlying

been a debate in washington for a long time about whether the national security agency or the department of homeland security would have primary responsibility for cybersecurity. if cybersecurity goes to n.s.a. and companies are sharing information directly with the national security agency, a consequence of that will be that nobody knows what is happening to their personal information. companies won't know what information, what was tone with the information they shared with the government, consumers won't know what was done with their information when companies shared it with the government. it will decrease trust and trust is essential to the cybersecurity program. now the n.s.a. operates secretly for good reason. but in this context, where there's going to be a direct interfate between a government and private sector companies that hold all of this sense tiff consumer data, it makes sense that the governmental entity that would receive the information from the private sector be a civilian, transparent entity instead of a military intelligence entity. the department of homeland security does the best job in government in informing people about what it's up to. it issues these privacy imp