n.s.a. contractor who, in 2013, leaked classified information, exposing the u.s. memoir is called "permanent record," and he joins us remotely from russia where he lives in exile. please welcome edward snowden. ( cheers and applause ) edward snowden, welcome to the show. >> good to be home. >> trevor: let's jump straight into the back because i don't know how long you have in that secret hideout where you're doing this interview from. >> it's just my apartment in moscow. ( laughter ) >> trevor: okay, okay. don't tell us where it is. don't pull a trump here, dude. come on. some people call you a patriot, others believe that you're a traitor. do you think this book will change people's perceptions and what do you see yourself as? >> well, when i set out to write this book, i wasn't trying to change opinions, i was just trying to tell the story of what has happened. i'm just an ordinary person. i'm like you. whistleblowers aren't like -- you know, we aren't elected, we're not exceptionally skilled. the thing that puts us in place, the thing that makes the disclosure