he is -- the naacp.hat during the scottsboro case when these nine young african-american men are pulled off a train and accused of raping a white woman, the naacp takes no action because they're leery of taking any cases, number one, they think they can't win and, number two, they think the people -- found out the young black boys were absolutely not guilty, had been accused of something that they were not involved n. they become disillusioned with the role of the naacp under its leadership. and he moves steadily to the left. as i said to you, he had studied in germany, so in germany he started reading some of these works; the bible, of course, critique of reason by -- [inaudible] darwin, thank you. and karl marx's -- and he reads especially the preface to the condition on political economy. and there he writes about critique of the economy, and there he writes that just as human error cannot judge itself by that particular era, man cannot judge each other by what they do at that particular time. it is n

amy: we will speak to derrick johnson, the head of the naacp.hen we go to west virginia where more than 1400 workers are set to lose their jobs this week when a major pharmaceutical plant shuts down and moves operations overseas. >> they want to close manufacturing in the united states of america. amy: we will speak to union leader joseph guz and vanity fair reporter katherine eban . her new piece is headlined: “we can't reach him: joe manchin is ghosting the west virginia union workers whose jobs his daughter helped outsource." all that and more, coming up. welcome to democracy now, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. the special house committee investigating the deadly january 6 insurrection at the u.s. capitol heard testimony for the first time tuesday. four officers who were on the scene recounted the harrowing events of the day, after a mob of trump-instigated rioters breached the government building in an attempt to stop the certification of joe biden's electoral victory. this is capitol police officer aquilino gon

>> i wouldn't go to the civil rights establishment the black folks at the naacp. >> but black radio? >> i would go to the black colleges i would not do the traditional civil rights. >> i agree with you that my thought was at the very least sentences of your talk will be played on black radio i agree not to rely on the naacp which is a lost group i think idealistically that it doesn't matter. we agree it would be great if they showed up to donald trump show this by saying what you have to lose? >> we consider that effective. [laughter] >> and to think more effective. >> all there was truth to that. will that happen again in 2022 with a violent crime overly directed toward blacks will they still though democrats in the cities with the defendant police crowd quick. >> it depends on if the republican nominee that is what it will come down to. to go into this community and to think of how well these are going and in terms of income and wage growth. blacks were doing tremendous with the economy under donald trump so there is a fear that many policies that he supported where policies from t

but it's panned by the naacp and also panned by the mainstream white press. but a couple of years later, one of the greatest columbia historians, wrote a revisionist history of black reconstruction, of reconstruction, and gave great praise to this work. he was -- the early schools said that reconstruction was -- [inaudible] it led to the tearing up of the south even though if you look at the records, there were very few examples of african-american men raping white women. and so duboise is going back to his scholarship. he -- but then something happens. 1937 this organization is founded, southern negro youth congress. ethel jackson, now 98. she's my godmother. and here's young people in the south. esther jackson from -- louie vernon born in guyana, dorothy, his wife, who just turned 100, and all of these northerners moved down south. two people are there, the two greatest americans living at this time, in my opinion, paul robeson -- we'll deal with him another time -- and, of course, w.e.b. dubois. and becomes very active in the south. and here again are some

that was considered, you know, to the point where texas shut down the naacp and when the naacp head at the time came to visit austin to try to unravel this mess, a white man, he was beaten in broad daylight into a bloody pulp by a mob that included a judge and other law officials. so it really -- if you read -- there was a big report that hoover -- for the attorney general produced that year and it has tons of communist material at the first portion of it and a lot of anarchist quotes and then it just switches suddenly, very awkwardly to the modern reader, into just publication -- you know, african-american quotes -- quotes from african-american publications that are -- i mean, we would read them today and think, well, yeah, they should have equal rights. i mean, it's very -- it's very jarring. >> that's still contested today, actually. >> but at the time -- yeah, but at the time it was just this really contested thing. >> okay. so -- hence the name red summer, right. >> right. >> red summer means that we are literally seeing red as james weldon johnson who you will tell us about in ju

but that incident gains the attention of the naacp in new york. then the naacp has a giant forum on trying to push for federal lynching legislation in new york. then charleston, there's a big riot in charleston caused by sailors. and then it starts to really gain steam. and there are incidents -- >> we have a pointer. >> oh, my god. >> here we go. >> is this going to work? okay. wow, look at me. charleston is really the first major urban riot, and ironically it's actually the best handled because the naval commander and the mayor of the city immediately work together to shut it down. because the african-american community was so important and vital to that city that even in the deep south where the civil war began, they shut it down. but, unfortunately, that's not repeated. so then you have incidents start to pop up all over. knoxville is a terrible one. arizona is very interesting where buffalo soldiers are brought to a fourth of july paw raid, and it becomes a shootout when they go out drinking. and white men don't like that they're coming into

>> i wouldn't go to the civil rights establishment those that are on the naacp conference are lost. >> i would go around them. i will go to the barbershops i would not go through the traditional civil rights. host: i hear you and i agree with you that at the very least segments of your talk will be played on talk radio i agree not to rely on the naacp that is the last group idealistically but it would be great if they showed up to donald trump say this by what do you have to lose? >> if you do that effectively. [laughter] >> i can think of more effective ways. >> although there was truth to that. will it happen again in 2022 with all the crime of blacks by blacks? will black still vote democrat in their cities i think that depends on if the republican nominee and that's what it comes down to. so the real story is is how well things were going. in terms of property and income and wage growth. and in the pre- covid economy under donald trump. it is clear that many of the policies and that the next republican nomination remind black people of that in person in their communities it's impo

you study the naacp, on the others of this -- the charitable context is interesting. the other lingering question is what if they moved from charitable to electoral? what about disclosure regimes that are upheld in citizens united? and upheld in dovie reed -- i do not know if this is a marker that will move us into the electoral area. >> interesting. there was a another contentious case, the -- do you want to talk about that? jeff: thanks for having me back to this panel. it might look like a pen on the helsinki formula, but it is actually about the supreme court term. >> the case -- this is one of the most significant cases. it became more significant when the biden administration filed suit against georgia's voting regulations adopted after the november election. part of it versus dnc -- involved the remaining part of the voting rights act. there were two provisions that the dnc challenged as discriminatory against minority voters. one was a rule that a voter could not cast a ballot out of precinct. if an otherwise that -- otherwise valid ballot brought to the wrong

you can go back to say that busing wars of the '70s and 80s were yet groups like the naacp supportingusing where pulse showed most blacks did not support busing. this is a very old phenomenon. >> host: as i mentioned school choice, i mean, that's another example. that's huge. so okay, if this is true, why do blacks keep voting democrat? [laughing] >> guest: well, it's not -- is not a phenomenon i think unique to blacks i'll give you an example. in 2020 there was a referendum, dropped 16 out in california, that would've reinstated racial preferences in college admissions, something that california voters have rejected it back in the 1990s. this was an effort to put them back in place. asian americans were part of the group that helped defeat this proposition. >> host: they vote democrat, too. >> guest: but at the same time they vote overwhelmingly for joe biden. you can look at the districts in california that are heavily asian, and you see a disparity against prop 16 for joe biden. so that's not the only group that does t this. there are other issues that , let me tell you -- >> guest

naacp we're nonpartisan.urage and we must in this moment stand up like we never stood up before. the president has set a toll, now let's get some outcome. because at the end of the day speeches won't do it, public policy will. we must get the right public policies in place to protect the voters of texas to arizona back to michigan. anything less than that would be unconstitutional, in my opinion, even though we have a supreme court who's also positioned to underwrite the rights of voters across the country. our democracy is under attack. >> congressman james clyburn delivered i think the most powerful presidential campaign endorsement i've ever seen. and the biden presidency might not exist without james clyburn's endorsement in that campaign. tonight congressman clyburn was on just an hour ago on this network with rachel maddow saying that he wants joe manchin to agree to a change in senate procedure to eliminate the 60-vote threshold for voting rights legislation. that's all he's asking for now is just do i

you study the naacp, on the others of this -- the charitable context is interesting. the other lingering question is what if they moved from charitable to electoral? what about disclosure regimes that are upheld in citizens united? and upheld in dovie reed -- i do not know if this is a marker that will move us into the electoral area. >> interesting. there was a another contentious case, the -- do you want to talk about that? jeff: thanks for having me back to this panel. it might look like a pen on the helsinki formula, but it is actually about the supreme court term. >> the case -- this is one of the most significant cases. it became more significant when the biden administration filed suit against georgia's voting regulations adopted after the november election. part of it versus dnc -- involved the remaining part of the voting rights act. there were two provisions that the dnc challenged as discriminatory against minority voters. one was a rule that a voter could not cast a ballot out of precinct. if an otherwise that -- otherwise valid ballot brought to the wrong

you don't have to have groups like the naacp reporting. when it shows that most blacks did not support. so this is a very old phenomena. >> and as i mentioned, school choice. that is another example. that is huge. so, okay, why do -- if this is true, why do blacks keep voting democrat? [laughter] >> it's not a phenomenon unique to blacks. i will give you an example in 2020 there wasmo a referendum, proposition six in california that would have reinstated the racial preferences in college admission, something california voters had rejected back in the 1990s. this was an effort to put them back in place. asian americans were part of the group that helped to defeat the proposition. but at the same time, they voted overwhelmingly for joe biden. you can look at the district in california that are heavily asian and they are against proposition 16 for joe biden. the last time the only group that does this there are other issueses -- part of the problems the lack of public outreach. there are some exceptions but they remain largely exceptions. thi

for the naacp, this isn't an partisan issue.ve been in the exact same place from the '60s to current. we've been in the exact place for 112 years. during the '60s, we had to fight democrats. and now we're fighting republicans. it is about our constitution and our rights to vote. >> what is your biggest concern when you want to see that equal pushback. how nervous are you when you see republicans move with this sense of efficiency? >> this is sqrely in the senate. they must determine whether or not they're going to allow a procedural rule, like the filibuster, to prevent them from protectingthe rights to vote, as opposed to pushing through what is necessary. this administration had a major accomplishment. that accomplishment happened through a bunch of reconciliation. that's the only thing the citizens were willing to move on. if that's the route we need to take, then that's what we need to do. if we don't do this before the census data is released, we're going to see a troubling outcome for every jurisdiction, from water boards

for the naacp, this is a partisan issue.een in the same place since the 1960's, in fact, we have been in the exact same place for over 100 years. at the end of the day it is not about partisanship, it is about the constitution and our rights to vote. yamiche: what is your biggest concern, what are you not seeing and how nervous are you when you see republicans move with this efficiency? >> the sense of urgency is in the senate. they must determine whether they will allow a filibuster to prevent them from protecting the right to vote, whether they will be quarantined to one method of getting this done as opposed to pushing through what is necessary. this administration had a major accomplishment, it happened througa bunch of reconciliation. that is the only thing the senate has been willing to move on. if that is the route we need to take, then that is what we need to do. if we do not do this for the census data is released, we are going to see a troubling outcome for every jurisdiction, from waterboards to city councils, bec

you go back to the busting floors of the 70s and 80s for the naacp.y did not support fussing. >> as i mentioned, school choice. that's huge so if this is true, why do plot box keep voting democrat? >> not a phenomenon unique to blacks. i'll give an example, in 2020, there was a referendum in california that would have reinstated racial preferences in college admission, something california voters rejected in the 1990s to put them back in place. asian americans were part of the group that helped defeat this proposition. >> both democrats, too. >> at the same time they voted overwhelmingly for joe biden you can look at the districts in california that are heavily asian and there's disparity against op 16 for joe biden so that's not the only group that does this, there are other issues. >> will let me tell you -- >> i also think part of the problem ist also the last of republican outreach. there are some exceptions but they remain largely succession, republicans largely can see the democratic party, republicans typically do not go into these neighborhood

the pta leader is also the fairfax county naacp vice president.eir statement defending michelle lee, the fairfax county naacp is aware of the false narrative in the media. we stand firmly by our first vice president. we respect and appreciate opinions different than ours but urge civil conversations. what false narrative are you talking about? you were there, you heard it and saw it. what false narrative? >> that's why i shared the video as it was. i didn't change anything in it. those words that everybody has heard is exactly as it was said. i'll tell you something, this what is a modern american hero looks like today. she is a regular mom and what she has done over the past year is gone before the school board and testified and stand up against this kind of divisiveness and now here she is with you, 4:00 you in the morning, waking up early to be able to share the message because across america we have to stand up against this kind of divisiveness. we both came from india. we are mothers of color. and yet the naacp doesn't represent us because th

i agree not to rely on the naacp which is a lost group i think. donald trump try this by saying what did you have to lose? although there was truth to that, will it happen again in 2022 with the rise in violent crime overwhelmingly directed against and will blacks still vote democrat in their cities given these are the defund police crowd? >> i think it is going to depend on what the republican nominee does to look for the votes and of course the voters. that's what it's going to come down to. i think the story is how well things were going in terms of income wage growth. they were doing tremendously in the pre- covid economy under donald trump. i think it is still as much an oddity. in the main who have quite conservative views. the republican label is still obtained, yes very much so. with the issue of it's not just blacks, and as i mentioned i'm a jew and nearly all of them are democrats. i have a great line i think you would love. why don't you preach what you practice. as argued for years one way the republican party, one in road that they wo

she is the author and editor of books including "lift every voice, the naacp and making of the civil rights movement", "days of hope" and "freedom writer" letters from the civil rights years. her new book is "justice rising, robert kennedy's america in black and white". i'm also pleased to welcome back our moderator for this evening's discussion, kenneth mack is the inaugural professor of law and affiliate professor of history at harvard university. his research and teaching have focused on american legal and constitutional history, with a particular emphasis on race relations, politics, and economic life. he's the author of "representing the race, the creation of the civil rights lawyer" and coeditor of "the new black, what has changed and what has not with race in america". welcome back to both of you. thank you for joining us this evening. >> thanks. >> thank you, alan. it is a pleasure to be here with my old friend patricia sullivan to talk about her amazing book "justice rising robert kennedy's america in black and white". just for the viewers, professor sullivan and i are going

she is the author and editor of books including lift every voice, the naacp and the making of the civilhts movement. days of hope, waste and democracy in a new deal era and freedom writer, virginia foster derm letters in the civil rights movement. her new book is a justice rising, robert kennedy's american black and white. i'm also so pleased to welcome back our moderator for this evening's discussion, kenneth mack is the inaugural professor of law and affiliate professor at harvard university. his research and teaching have focused on american legal and constitutional history with a particular emphasis on race relations, pulsate economic life is the author representing the creation of the civil rights and coeditor of the new black, what has changed and what has not. welcome back to both of you. thank you for joining us this evening. >> thank you alan. it is a pleasure to be here with my old friend patricia sullivan to talk about her amazing book, justice rising robert kennedy's american black and white. so just for the viewers professor sullivan and i are going to have that conversatio

we have to defend this great nation. >> tucker: if there were more people like you at the naacp i wouldney appeared what do they think of you? >> i don't know what they think of me and quite frankly, again, it's the truth. i will say this, when i joined the columbus branch of the naacp in the late '80s, it was under a republican administration and it was there under that leadership that i realized that my values and by principles that i was raised with really aligned with the republican platform. and so, you know, faith, family, freedom. you know, those are the values that my grandmother gave to me and so it was just natural for me to align with that platform. >> tucker: your grandmother sounds like a great person. i appreciate you coming on. ruth edmonds, thank you so much. it was great to talk to you. >> thank you. >> tucker: so it's coming back, indoor mask mandates in one of the biggest cities in the country. you should know what's happening here. trace gallagher does and he's got the story for us now. >> if you're looking for a case study on how to generate confusion, the l.a. coun

and i had met misses rosa parks, who was a secretary to the mock omri branch of the naacp. she was a youth director. i had known her from the time i was at alabama state. so, with those persons, we ended up being -- opening up the office. ms. parks assisted in that. i found out she was working in a department store 1.5 blocks from where my office was located. so, we talked. she would bring her little lunch to my office during the middle of the day. i did not have any clients at that time. we talked about problems. talked about the buses. we talked about if a person had a problem and was asked to get up off the sea, what they should do if they didn't want to do it -- off the seat, what they should do if they didn't want to do it. it was six months after i started practicing that claudette coleman, a 15-year-old girl who lived in the northeast section of montgomery, was arrested while refusing to give up her seat to a white person. when she did that, her parents did not know anything about me, because i had only been back for six months. their preacher about e.d. nixon and ha

derrick johnson, the naacp has stepped in.the commitment to pay the bail of any of these lawmakers who are arrested should they go back to texas and face that. why was it important for your administration to get involved with texans, but in this particular way? >> well, the right to vote isn't a partisan issue. it's a guarantee in the constitution. and any time you see people standing up to block efforts to subvert democracy, to deny access, to try to create a process where they are able to select their voters as opposed to voters selecting their representative, i think it's a threat to our nation and for the ncaa p. when we see that type of courage, it's important for us to stand up because that's our work. we've been in the exact same place for 112 years, whether it was fighting segregations who happened to be democrats in the '60s or republicans today. this is unconscionable and we should all be involved not only in texas but across the country. congress must act. the city must do their job. a procedural rule should not pro

a micco you have been a long anti-death penalty activist as head of the naacp and more.i want to ask you about the news that the justice department is positing federal executions while it reviews its policies. attorney general merrick garland cites "arbitrariness in its application, disparate impact on people of color, troubling number of exonerations and capital and other serious cases." he ordered a review of the lethal injection drugs used to kill condemned prisoners. can you comment on this? >> look, it is good news. it gets us in line with every other western democracy and most countries on planet earth. the other thing is we really have to really be concerned about poor people of all colors. when you visit death row -- and i have been many death rows. disproportionally people of color,lmost exclusively people who were too poor to afford their own lawyer. when you go down the list of people who are likely innocent when they were executed in this country, virtually all of them were too poor to afford their own lawyer. this is good news for everybody who believes whet

nixon, who was a friend of our family and who had been president of the naacp in montgomery. he had encouraged me to go to law school because he was always trying to help black people who had problems with whites and trying to improve conditions. so, when i got back, he helped me to get lawyers so i could be able to take the bar exam. of course, once i took the bar exam and i took the ohio bar exam first in june and the alabama bar exam in july, just in case. in august, i was told i had passed both. of course, i had no intention of practicing law in ohio. i am back in alabama. i passed the bar exam. lawyers could not advertise like they can now. so, when i got back, the people that i knew all worked with me. i had an open house so people would know i was there. and i had met misses -- mrs. rosa parks, who was a secretary to the montgomery branch of the naacp. she was a youth director. i had known her from the time i was at alabama state. so, with those persons, we ended up opening up the office. mrs. parks assisted in that. i found out she was working in a department store 1.

rosa parks who was the secretary to the montgomery branch of the naacp. she was also the youth director, and i had known her from the time i was in at alabama state. so with those, we ended up opening up the office, and mrs. parks assisted in that. i found out that she was working in the department store, a block and a half from where my office was located. we talked every -- she would usually bring a little lunch to my office during the middle of the day, and i didn't have any clients at that time. we talked about problems. we talked about the buses. we talked about if a person had a problem and was asked to get up off the seat, what they should do, if they didn't want to do it. and then it was only about six months after i started practicing, that claudette, the 15-year-old girl, who lived the northeast section of montgomery, was arrested while refusing to get up and give her seat to a white person. when she did that, her parents didn't know anything about me because i'd only been back for six months, but their preacher knew about ed nixon, and they had

we have to defend this great nation. >> if there were more people like you at the naacp, i'd send thel they think of you? >> that when i join, and it was there. i realize that my values and my principles that i was raised with and those are the values that my grandmother gave to me. it was just natural for me to align with that platform. >> tucker: i appreciate you coming on, thank you very much, it was good to talk to you. >> thank you. >> tucker: it's coming back, indoor mask mandates and with the biggest cities in the country. we should know what's happening here. if you are looking for a caseo study in how to generate ioconfusion, the l.a. county health department just give us a step-by-step guide. that's above 1,000, and everyone including those fully vaccinated again have to wear a mask and door. cdc director rochelle walensky said most people are safe from the delta variant of the coronavirus and don't have to wear masks indoors. in fact even when the l.a. county health department was issuing the mandate today and was simultaneously making its case and undermining its case, the

was traveling all over the jim crow south to organize chapters or branches they called them of the naacpd the membership increased to and threefold he was field secretary by the then he was the director and spent 14 years running the naacp. but by the way along the way he wrote the most famous early modernist black novel called the autobiography of - - later it was exposed it was his book absolutely fascinating. not entirely about passing in 1912 way before we call the harlem renaissance and by the way along the way he's always a poet and at the end of the day he thought of himself as a poet more than anything else his first book of poetry 1915 called 50 years and other poems the lead is called 50 years which is page one of "the new york times" on the 50th anniversary of the emancipation proclamation. it is an absolutely brilliant 20 verse poem of the meaning of emancipation and then goes on to write or collect and edit the book of american negro poetry to different editions and negro spirituals to additions for blacks that were unknown and a collection of poems and the famous collection

the experts from the naacp in common cause. they found their academic writing concluded outside of the parameters of the case that early voting either made no change in turnout or modestly reduced turnout. it was referred to as convenience voting by some of the experts, and it is more convenient but does not increase turnout according to the academic writings of the experts on the left. sen. blumenthal: this hearing is adjourned. there will be a week and the record will be kept open for that week for anyone to ask questions. i thank the witnesses and my colleagues for participating. thanks very much. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2021] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] [inaudible conversations] >> thursday on c-span, the nominees for the census bureau director, and immigrations and customs enforcement secretary have the confirmation hearing before the house and homeland security affairs committee. that is