his speech to the naacp v. convention at her for years is not black outreach. standing up and saying i support school choice is not i think black outreach. again when they have done now, when house republicans, those few republicans have done that i think it has paid dividends and i would like to see my dad. >> host: talk to me me about the independent party and its outreach in this effort if it is won or is not one? >> guest: one? >> guest: the independent party? >> host: will talk to me about the independents. those people who want into that group that's independent, the ones who are undecided. the independent group i call a party unto themselves. >> guest: they would like to think they are. they tell you how independent is going to vote if they get one or two more follow-up questions. people like to call themselves independents back. >> host: the independent vote can swing an election and so they are an important group. they are the third party. >> guest: they are, and a lot of these elections are coming down to who can swing the independents. so we will see