for more, we go to nabil fahmy, former egyptian ambassador to the u.s. he's now dean of the school of global affairs and public policy at the american university in cairo. and michele dunne, a former national security council and state department official. she's with the carnegie endowment for international peace, and edits the "arab reform bulletin." -- welcome to you both. ambassador, let's start with these crowds, why are we seeing these huge crowds again in the square. >> i think it's natural and to be expected. this is a revolution that is in progress. the first phase h what they asked for was the president leaves office. and they achieved that. now what they are trying to do is build the tenet of a better egypt, a more democratic one, a more inclusive one and with more stakeholders. since we haven't done this before, this is actually happening on the square and different squares around egypt, it's happening through a public debate, demonstrations are used as political leverage. and there are many, many more stakeholders and different opinions about

i won to thank our panelists, ahmed bin abdullah al-mahmoud, nabil fahmy, ibrahim kalin, thank you.pplause] speeches three click program notes about tomorrow. first, the working groups begin at 9:45. at 11:00, we have a terrific plenary on the rule of it the media moderated by david gregory immediately followed by a luncheon where we will bring together the whole procedure of the form and you are working groups. [applause] ♪ [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] >> now a discussion on the muslim brotherhood and political unrest in the arab world. house intelligence subcommittee examines the groups influence in egypt and the rest of the middle east. founded in 1928, the muslim brotherhood is the oldest and largest islamic political group. [inaudible conversations] >> good afternoon and welcome. the house select committee on intelligence, subcommittee on terrorism, human intelligence analysis and counterintelligence will come to order. the first order of business is to welcome my ranking member, mike thompson and the other members of the subcomm