nabj since 1976? has been inviting presumptive nominees for the presidency. here and donald trump accepted and the room was absolutely sleep pack. there was not an empty chair in that room. these are all either perspective journalist or aspiring journalists, or journalists who have been in the game of be'eri law long time. the questions that were asked were pointed sometimes, but they were certainly questions that the public would like to hear. the response to. that is the literal job of those inside that room. now, it was clear that donald trump felt attacked by the very first question. and from that moment forward, things derailed. every time rachel scott for maybe see what ask a question he would go on the attack towards her instead of answering the question. but there were a lot of different questions that were asked. and one of the ones that got probably one of the biggest this gas beyond trying to question kamala harris's race and who she considered herself to be. it was a question about january 6, and it was the question about whether or not he would p

what do you think of the way the nabj treated donald trump?thought it was abhorrent9: i think this was totally wrong. the idea that they have already preconceived notions and they aren't going to ask legitimate, serious questions of a presidential candidate and they came out of the chute -- look, ask him as hard of questions as you want, but the way it was framed, i give a lot of credit to donald trump for showing up, actually being there, knowing that he was going to get a lot of tough questions. that's in part what i really like about a donald trump. but at the same time, i thought they were way over the top in their aggressive nature and saying a lot of us don't even think you should be here. that's not what a journalist does when asking questions of a presidential candidate. howard: on that point, lucy, does trump have a point when he says he was treated rudely and that that that opening question from rachel scott was, in his words, a disgrace? >> i don't think it was a disgrace, i think she actually handled the situation like a pro. the i

he was at the nabj okay. their national association of black journalists event today also joining us cnn newsnight anchor abby phillip and cnn political commentator bakari sellers obviously, the former president believes there's some benefit, whether it's people that he's trying to talk to in the black community or whether it's other supporters of his for saying these things either that or it's a sign of desperation. i think often with trump when he goes down this road, it's because he believes that these sort of base attacks on people's identity, just like he did with barak obama kind of hit at something that will get traction i don't know that there's a whole lot of electoral logic to this because trump showed up at nabj presumptively because he thought he has a shot at reaching black voters. i can't think of many things that are more offensive to black people than someone a white man showing up at a conference and trying to be the arbiter of who is black or not. it's just really problematic and not what hi

that is how trump's nabj appearance went today but that maybe wasn't even the worst part. when trump was subsequently asked about republican claims that vice president harris is only on the ticket because she's a black woman , trump responded by questioning harris's racial identity. >> she was always of indian heritage and she was only promoting indian heritage, i didn't know she was black until a number of years ago when she happened to turn black and now she wants to be known as black, i don't know, is she indian? or is she black? i respect either one but she obviously doesn't. because she was indian all the way and then all of a sudden she made a turn and she became a black person. i think somebody should look into that, too, when you continue in a hostile and nasty tone. >> that's donald trump, openly questioning the racial identity of the country's first black and asian vice president. for the record here, while campaigning for attorney general of california and later for president of the united states in 2020, kamala harris es repeatedly told her family story, a stor

. >> kayleigh: after trump's interview at the nabj, j.d. vance was asked about his remarks and here is what he had to say to a reporter. >> what i question is why she presents a different posture depending on which audience that she is in front of, she will say one thing to one audience. and one thing to another audience. something totally different to another audience. just in the past two days she went to wanting to ban fracking to not banning fracking. wanted to defund police now she doesn't want to defund police. puts on a southern accent in georgia and totally different access in california. i think she is a chameleon. >> kayleigh: chameleon kamala is way to explain her on policies rather than the personal. your thoughts? >> yeah. i think vance takes that question and pivots nicely to what the campaign should be talking about and well done to him. i would also point out and the

alecia john the and elbow, reporter who interviewed donald trump today at the nabj conference. so that, you know, to be honest, i thought she would have a little bit more on and lean into that conversation that you had today, with donald trump. but i think what we saw was sort of making a note of it and not having that frame how she wants to run this campaign and how she wants to be as president. how did you read what she said there, just overall and how she is framing herself as you have others out there particularly on other media outlets trying to define her a certain way, dei candidate, for example. >> yeah, i know you raised a good point. i think she was very careful about how she characterized that, the incident, the interview earlier today. but she brought it up. and i think that yeah, i mean, she, i feel like donald trump just gave her a whole new ad campaign that she could possibly run on in the future. but she was, you know, respectful about it. didn't dig too hard but she said, you know, her framing was this is what you can expect, right? he hasn't changed and like i

it is an interesting point about what we witnessed today at nabj. they called the interview a taste of the chaos and division that trump brings with him. in so many ways they are correct about that. how do you feel about voters, particularly independent voters who you know well and you know you have to massage them to get them into the lane that you need them to be in an order to prosecute the case for a successful election. how do you think those voters looked at that 34 minutes with trump and those three african american journalists? >> i think they would find it repugnant. nobody goes out in public who is running for office, who is a serious candidate, and treats journalists in this way. no one does it with this inherent sexism, inherent racism. donald trump is a despicable human being and it is just the sort of thing that, what part of american society teaches you that you should be this way? i mean is there a teacher out there, a coach, a boy scout door girl scout leader, a boss, a colleague that says look, you're supposed to be petty, angry, r

go to nabj and say what you just said. let us know who you are. so when we go into the ballot box and get to vote, we get to have a full clear, not a message, train disciplined candidate than next day then rips all of our rights away, show me who you are and let me make a decision about it. >> this is such a critical time for this campaign because she's new. she's not that well-defined the way biden was so this next few weeks is going to determine whether they define her in a way that will be basically unacceptable at a policy level to the american people are not the campaign obviously gets it. they know what they need to do on immigration. they know what they need to do on inflation and they know what they need to do on all of her past positions, which she's now running away from b-a anonymously sourced staff statements they know what they need to do. >> but if he doesn't participate in it it won't be as effective as they need. but he is defining her, he's saying she's the other she's exotic. she's a foreigners is not i like you. she's not a real

doubled down on the racist attacks on the vice president's identity that tanked his interview at the nabj conference this week. he'll probably do more of the same when he takes the stage any minute in heavily black atlanta, of all places, in the exact same venue that harris packed earlier this week. you note, the current contrast in audience. very busy show tonight. here we go. joining me now, senator bob casey, democrat of pennsylvania who's currently seeking re-election. senator, thank you for being with us tonight. the vice president is off the campaign trail this weekend, and she meets with a list of six potential running mates ahead of tuesday's rally in philadelphia where she'll campaign with her vp pick for the first time. and at least one of the front-runners for the job is your pennsylvania governor josh shapiro. regardless of who gets the job, what are you hoping the vice president's running mate will bring to the ticket? >> reverend al, great to be with you, first of all. thanks for having me on. and look, tuesday night is going to be an exciting not just for our commonwealth b

this was decided two days before nabj started. donald trump was invited weeks ago and he never said yes at all. he made that decision two months before. all of the membership, we all got an email two nights before we flew to chicago for nabj to start. this was not planned in advance. this was planned because he saw that it was the day after. he made the comments the day after the big atlanta event for kamala harris, he wanted to wipe her out of the news. he also wanted to wipe out all of the commentary around his own vice presidential nominee who has the single cat lady comments. he wanted to create a different news cycle and conversation. is is not something that his campaign has wanted to do. they have been invited to nabj every time he is the republican nominee and he said no every single time. this is the only time he came and he only decided at the last minute. >> brendan, it's get to some of the polls, they suddenly show donald trump losing ground in swing states. what are you hearing among republicans about the sudden erosi

we saw that in chicago with respect to the nabj.k that donald trump doesn't necessarily feel strong enough about his own records to put it up against vice president kamala harris'. i think there is a deeper more strategic reason why trump continues to focus on these racial tropes around what blackness is and isn't. it's that it gives the right power, and what i mean by that, when you can limit blackness to one set of experiences and a single set of tropes, anything outside of that allows for people to think more broadly about what it is and reconceptualize and reimagine that. but if you can limit that it keeps you powerful in terms of the associations people draw with blackness that are anti- black and that have existed for a long time. i think donald trump has insistently been doing that. he believes on the record that will score him more points in november. expect that's why he keeps saying black people can't leave their houses without getting shot. danielle? >> okay. i was just going to say what the vice president has done is tak

so is the vice president also expected to speak at nabj? >> so at this time, she's not scheduled to appear at the convention. but nabj said in a statement that it's working with her campaign to have her appear either virtually or in person for a conversation in september. greg. >> betty yu in the newsroom for us. >> betty. thank you. a major labor union has endorsed kamala harris for president. the united auto workers announced its decision today on its website and on x. the union represents hundreds of thousands of workers across the country. uaw had backed president biden and has long supported democrats, but held off in immediately endorsing harris after biden dropped out. the group's president has been outspoken against mr. trump. harris will rally with uaw members in detroit next week. harris responded on x, saying, quote, i am honored to receive the endorsement of the united auto workers. from walking picket lines to taking on big banks, i've spent my entire career fighting for unions and working families, and as president, i will con

nabj have partnered with politifact to fact check this in real time. you can access that on social media -- [applause] the hashtag is #nabjfactcheck. let's bring out the former president of the united states, the republican nominee for president, former president donald trump. ♪ thank you. i want to start by addressing the elephant in the room. a lot of people did not think it was appropriate for you to be here today. you have pushed false claims about some of your rivals, from nikki haley to former president barack obama, saying they were not born in the united states, which is not true. you have told congresswomen of color who were american citizens to go back to where they came from. you have used words like animal and rabbit to describe black district attorneys. you have attacked black journalists, calling them losers, saying their questions that they asked stupid and racist. you have had dinner with a white supremacist at your resort. my question, now that you are asking black supporters to vote for you -- why should black voters trust you after y

michael, you know we are going to start with trump at the nabj conference. for the trunk campaign, watching his remarks had to of been like watching a baby crawl across the interstate. what you think about those comments? >> yeah, i don't think the baby made it. i don't think the baby made it. i appreciate stuart street. look, there were a couple of things going on with this that i thought were very interesting and important to note. one, probably primarily was trump one of the platform, wanted to take advantage of the platform. a lot of people say you know, the person who put him up to this or agreed to do this should've been fired. no, but after thanking them first. the reason for that is, the second piece of this we got to see trump. we got to hear him engage with african-american journals, african-american women in particular. we got to see and hear that ourselves, and the more that interview went on, the more you begin to realize how weird, unhinged, combative and childlike in his behavior, at times. but the other side and probably the most important pi

the nabj was getting backlash for inviting trump to spoke. -- to speak. the co-chair of the convention stepped down, and nabj's president reiterated the appearance was not an endorsement and was an opportunities for political journalists to ask the former president questions on key issues facing the black community, and that's exactly what happened. last night former president donald trump returned to pennsylvania nearly three weeks after surviving an assassination attempt in the battleground state. >> i shouldn't be with you. but i am. >> reporter: hours earlier in chicago, trump sparked controversy at the national association of black journalists convention when he questioned vice president kamala harris' racial identity. >> she was only promoting indian heritage. i didn't know she was black until a number of years ago when she happened to turn black. now she wants to be known as black. so i don't know. is she indian or black? >> reporter: harris is the daughter of a jamaican father and indian mother. she attended the historically black howard universit

headlines that identify harris as an indian american, will trump's appearance was 35 minutes at the nabj of nonstop insults. it was a packed room. hundreds of journalists were there. he faced questions from three moderators from the abc news reporter rachel scott harris faulkner, a fox news and kadia goba from semaphore, who is joining us in just a moment. but firstly trump went off the rails almost immediately in this room, which by the way, he was there by choice. i mean, no one forced him to be there. he chose to be there as president harris was not there, he chose to go. and here's how it went from the first question you have pushed false claims about some of your rivals from nikki haley to former president barak obama, saying that they were not born in the united states it's not true. you have told for congress when women of color, who were american citizens to go back to where they came from. >> you have used words like animal and rabbit to describe i black district attorney's. you've attack black journalists calling them a loser, saying the questions that they asked, quote stupid

the president said as much that he was invited here by the n nabj as nabj does every election year. they invite presidential candidates to come on and talk with journalists who attend. now we know that the former president has been trying to court the black vote. here is what's important here to know, garcia, is that right now, the former president and vp harris are virtually tied here. they are very, very close in polls. and that means in swing states like florida, pennsylvania and michigan, any voting bloc could really swing the election. and that means the black voting bloc as well. so that is one of the reasons that he was here as well. but what is not very clear at this point is whether or not the president was trying to completely win over that, that voting bloc or just not lose them entirely based on his performance yesterday, which likely did not garner him a lot of goodwill to members of the black community. after watching what he did on the stage, getting up, leaving early. he is supposed to be devoted an hour, but got off the stage about 30 minutes into the conversation.

so, the through line through trump showing up at nabj trying to court black voters, the through line it's okay, why do they have nothing for kamala harris as an opponent? why is donald trump afraid, it seems, of kamala harris at a debate? because they were ready to go run against joe biden. and they knew how to do it. but none of those plays that they had prepared work on kamala harris, who represents, again, not to ape tim waltz here, but a far more sane, normal alternative. and that is the field. not trump and not biden. i am unsurprised to hear how much enthusiasm there is behind that premise. >> then there is talk or concern that people are saying there is no way she can keep this momentum going. but, are people forgetting she does not need it for very long? it's a very short runway. only three months. >> look, i want to play off of what wanita just said, the fact that voters are really driving this. if you listen to the people who sort of run the democratic party, they will tell you joe biden is great, let's keep them going, this is great. then they would say kamala harris, i do

same old wrists like hannibal lector, which were overshadowed by his disastrous performance at the nabj today. >> our nation is counting on you to energize, to organize and to verbalize, to register folks to vote and get them to the polls because when we organize, mountains move. when we mope -- mobilize, nations change, and when we vote, we make history. >> joining us now is pennsylvania's lieutenant governor, austin davis. good to see you. i drove from new york to philly last night and saw those billboards. they are starting. this is battleground pennsylvania, and is going to be a very important few months for you. how's it looking? >> it's great to be with you. i feel good. the energy we have seen for vice president harris over this last few weeks has been electric. we've seen thousands of new people sign up to volunteer. we've seen the campaign really get off on a good start in terms of fundraising. people are excited in pennsylvania so as the vice president said in that clip earlier were going to organize, mobilize and defeat donald trump at the ballot box and i'm confident with th

to add some context here as well when we talked to donald trump's senior advisers leading up to the nabj panel. they had said that more than any other media appearance that donald trump has done in the last several months. this had the opportunity to go sideways. it's very clear. i think we can all agree that this did go sideways especially when he is still very committed to trying to siphon off many of these, you know, more minority votes, particularly black voters and hispanic voters and i think his comments yesterday, trying to push him on very legitimate questions about why black voters should vote for him he instead went on the attack. omar. >> and again, that was how this whole panel even started. that question. essentially asking that central point, why should black voters vote for him? and that's when all this ensued. alayna treene really appreciate the reporting and perspective. we're also following other news breaking overnight. israel says it has killed the military leader of hamas details on how it happened and disgusted and just so appointed family members and survivors of t

i have something to say about trumps racist ramble at the nabj convention where he said kamala harris turned black. i am jonathan capehart. this is the saturday show. >>> don't take your eyes off this presidential campaign, it is moving fastnt. this weekend, vice president harris is holding meetings with potential vp picks as an announcement is expected in the next few days. for his part, donald trump is speaking at a campaign rally in atlanta this hour hoping to regain the momentum the harris campaign th aneldhas stolen fro he is also ditching the next scheduled presidential debate on abc on september 10th,al saying he has accepted a home turf debate on fox news on september 24th. harris' response? i'll be there on the 10th. i want to address trumps racist assertion that the vp turned black. if you want to know just how black vice president kamala harris is, just turn to page 101 a for 2019, the t truths we hold. she writes about that time as california attorney general during last decades more -- mortgage crisis when she told the staff to get the chairman and ceo of jp morgan's chas

he even repeated that again in chicago at the nabj. what we do understand is the department of justice under joe biden and kamala harris, they did massively push up charges on people who protested at the capitol and some who rioted at the capitol on january 6th. what he's talking about is doing a case by case review. you can lump it all together all you want, but those are the words of donald j. trump. i'm quite sure on the internet, people can pull up that clip, and they can watch it at their own leisure. >> george: i'll read it to you. this is rachel scott's question. my question son those rioters who assaulted officers. would you pardon those people? oh, absolutely i would. that's his words. >> yes, and but -- but you did not leave in was the rest of his comments where he said, yeah, i would, but we want to look at everything on a case by case basis. that's what will happen, george. >> george: that's actually -- that's not what he said. he said if they were innocent, i would pardon them. they have all been convicted. he said he woul

but speaking of donald trump, at the nabj and i meant that was overshadowed. a lot by all the things that took place during that that long interview session, he talked about the economy, the grocery bad economics, talking about vacant and the price of ham sandwiches and gas prices and beyond you had some reporting though about what took place before he actually got on stage. what happened so trump on stage mentioned the audio issues and we had x you spoke to the energy president and he told us that yes, there were some audio issues. >> those are resolved but in fact, the issue that prevented trump from going on stage on time was, in fact, the fact checking issue and we were told that this issue was so prolonged that the nabj president was in the process of drafting a statement to tell the 2000 people who had assembled to listen to trump speak why trump could not go on stage. and in that moment, 75 minutes after when he was supposed to go on stage with trump, just walked on what was the fact check the issue you're referencing trump did not want to be fact-check

the other problem too, is listen to how the focus group reacted to donald trump's appearance and nabj he is just basically saying that she she can't she's only just pandering to whatever she feels she can be both indian american and black it's very racist and ignorant. >> ignorant. >> why would you even say something like that? like it's just foolish. >> it's just disheartening to hear that from someone who's leading a country full of a mixing pot of people we should note everyone said they were troubled by particularly the kamala harris became black. comments. one person that they thought trump's at them because they were true at one point, but everybody else, everyone was troubled by it and i think to your point earlier, which the through line between biden and harris's, they just want trump out there and people remember on some level, what does the campaign think about that? >> yeah. so i think it's interesting because when i go out and talk to voters who are critical of donald trump, most often it's because of comments like that. it's because of his posts on truth, social, and a l

let's, start with nabj she was always of indian heritage and she was only promoting indian heritage. >> i didn't know she was black until a number of years ago when she happened to turn black and now she wants to be known as black so i don't know. is she indian or is she black so that's the current republican nominee for president and how he is talking about the first black woman to top a presidential ticket. >> this was the former senator john mccain. in a moment when he was campaigning against the man and who would become our country's first black president talking about his heritage, let's watch this i can't trust obama i have read about him and he's not he's not, he's a he's an error he is not no, no, ma'am. no, ma'am. no, ma'am. he is a he's a decent family man citizen that i just happened to have disagreements with on fundamental issues and that's what this campaign is all about. >> he literally reaches over and takes that microphone to say no, that's not what's going on. >> talk. >> can you just give us your view of what trump said last week, how it impacts this race and what

this evening, emhoff said, in part that trump's comments at the nabj showed, quote, a worse version of it already, horrible person, the insults, the bs shows a lack of character, but it's a distraction. he added that guy it should never be in the white house again and now the harris campaign did release a statement >> in heritage as a black woman instead, a lot of that pushback has fallen to allies, like white house press secretary greene, john pierre, who was asked about the moment in real time and the predatory thing today. take a listen is propulsive. it's insulting and you know, no one has any right to tell someone who they are, how they identify. >> that is not what one's right. >> so that's just a flavor of the pushback. that's coming from democrats against trump after these comments earlier at nab j, but it is important to know what type of event harris is speaking out today. this is an event with ties to the divine, but nine harris herself is a member of a sorority that's also from the divine nine alpha kappa alpha sorority that she was a part of while she attended howard. it h

the only thing that's really got a lot of attention is what trump said at the nabj conference. so who knows what happens going going on from i'm mean, the thing is margaret, it's just bs should a jamaican father and an indian american immigrant mother that's a red. and by the way, has been noted many times she went to howard university. she was a member of a well-known black sorority it's not an argument he could win because it's counterfactual. in other word for that is, it's false. so why is anybody going to tell him to stop it? >> well, i will say that what it has done is turned the focus of the new cycles conversation back to race and away from other issues. and a away from coverage. that's critical of the former president's administration and what it was like when he was in office. and so it is put the narrative sort of closer to back on his terms their voters that but that may help him with and their voters that will turn him off with. and most of the voters who will be really turned off by that tactic, or voters who were already not voting for him. so this again becomes

i do think trump just showed up at the nabj, was that last week? it feels like years ago, where he was literally left out in that circumstance i don't know if you staying away from crowds. his crowds also look very different from harris' crowds and you could see that. this week, her social team was definitely not afraid of trolling the trump campaign and showing like here is what our crowd looks like. here's what your crowd looks like. it's been so interesting to watch that because it really feels like it is the same people from the biden campaign but it's like they've been activated in some way. now, they are sending out the most kind of responsive stuff i've seen in a while, but i don't know what he is doing, but it does not make a ton of sense to me, so. >> john, what do you think about that? joe biden and his campaign are famously tied to the michelle obama when they go low we go hi -- right now vp harris' campaign seems to be when they go low, we are going to hit them where it hurts. >> are we referring to couch jokes here? >> no, know. you kn

said that this needed to end, there was a point but he said we were starting 30 minutes late, and nabj wasn't starting on time, so maybe that factored into the decision, but it tells me that possibly they thought this wasn't going well so they pulled him off the stage. i also want to read you a statement that we just got from the harris campaign, if you would allow me to. it also underscores how they're seeing this moment. is that okay? >> of course. >> they write, the hostility, this is michael tyler, the communications director for the harris campaign. the hostility donald trump showed on stage today is the same hostility she has shown throughout his life, throughout his term in office and his campaign for president as he seeks to regain power and inflict his harmful agenda on the american people. trump lobbed personal attacks and insults at black journalists, the same way he did throughout his presidency while he failed black families and let the entire country digging out of the ditch he left us in. donald trump has already proven he cannot unite america, so he attempts to divide u

you know, he got a little juice from nabj where he went on stage and created some controversy in front of black reporters. that kind of got the juices flowing, so now this is the next level of that. who cares if he takes questions. you think he's going to answer any questions the press asks him? no, that's not the point. the point is for you to focus that red light in the camera on him because kamala harris has done something that joe biden couldn't do, and that is make him potentially irrelevant in this conversation as the momentum is growing more and more and more, and what you're seeing is the zoom meetings, the fund-raising, the grass roots organization, he can't account for my of that, he can't show any of that. what he can do is grab the nation's lens and focus it on him at mar-a-lago. we'll see what he says. i can pretty much predict it, it's not going to be much, but that's not the point. the point is now he's going to be in the conversation and is going to be breaking coverage at 2:00 p.m. that's the thing for him, and i think if we understand that, meanwhile, kamala's going t

will be a lot of that, and instead for her to say what she said as soon as this came out after the nabj interview, which was this is what we know from donald trump and moved on. that is what we are going to continue to see. that is always the strategy. that is the way that they want to operate for now. >> all right, we've got a lot more to talk about and not a lot of time. don't go anywhere. eugene and brandon will be back for more of our sendoff panel after a quick break. after a quick break. provides 2h and 24/7 sensitivity protection. i think it's a great product. it's going to help a lot of patients. with dexcom g7, managing your diabetes just got easier. so, what's your glucose number right now? good thing you don't need to fingerstick. how's all that food affect your glucose? oh, the answers on your phone. what if you're heading low at night? [notifications ringing] wow, it can alert you?! and you can even track your goals. manage your diabetes with confidence with dexcom g7. the most accurate cgm. learn more at dexcom.com. i'm andrea, and this is why i switched to shopify. it gav

that caused the delay that he blamed on equipment failures turns out, according to the president of nabj that he did not want to be fact checked. telling journalists not to fact check him. >> just to go back to the point that patrick was making, the comments that he is making might sound random, but the not. we know that the former president was looking for a way to get himself back into the headlines after had all of this excitement around vice president harris' roll out over the last couple of weeks. people not been talking about him, especially coming out of what seemed to be a momentum building rnc convention in milwaukee just a couple of weeks before that. he's looking at back into the headlines. he is saying things that are headline grabbing and yes, they are also a distraction from things like project 2025 and you have vice president kamala harris and her democratic surrogates really framing this -- the types of things that he has been saying and that jd vance had been saying. the label is sticking. we have trump trying to turn the tables and trying to call harris weird. i know yo

i would say to the harris campaign on that front, look at the nabj, come all of the prosecutor can be i don't think you need to get bogged down in that. is a lot of ways that you can hit him, which the democrats do now, so, if donald trump is up for it, i think she'll be able to knock him. >> people forget this because the biden debate was such a debacle, but every other presidential debate trump participated before that, he lost. i want to talk about nabj, that was when trump made clear that he was going to bring race right into the center of the conversation, basically saying, kamala harris has decided only recently to become black. i'm curious how you feel the harris campaign should and has handled the response to that type of visceral nasty attack. >> i think we also have to point out that tim clearly does not want to be fact checked on the lil nas x date challenge, we just need to mention that he does not like that. >> all i said was i agreed to it, i never said he did, i just said i agreed to a date. >> this has gone off the rails, back on the rails, what did you think of the re

that is according to the nabj president. trump avoided more attacks today on vice president harris' racial identity he had this to say about a possible debate with her. >> well, i want to . i'm leading in the polls it seems by quite a bit still. she is better than he is but i think ultimately she will be worse than him. >> joining us now is democratic congresswoman marilyn strickland of washington state. congresswoman, thank you for being with us. on one hand we don't want to debate for too long donald trump's nonsensical statements to the nabj but there is some fundamental misunderstanding that either he has or he is deliberately trying to so about the tens of millions of people in this country who have multiple ethnic or racial identities. >> he definitely has and he talked about kamala harris in terms of is she really black, and as long as i have known of vice president harris, even during her time as district attorney as a senator, as vice president obviously she has probably talked about being indian-american and africa

we earn learned old news about truck trump particular about black journalism so much so that the nabjg his attacks on april ryan, abby philip, none of this was new except for audiences who seemed to have needed some sort of a refresher on his recent racism. for me, as a member of the community that i care about, it was damage to our credibility as journalists, as a black journalist and the division brought to our organization as a result of this just for a few soundbites that people may or may not remember in two weeks. >> tough to reflect upon, that is for sure. thank you for doing so with us. >>> a horrible situation in california is about to get worse. that is next. is next. >>> a desperate situation in northern california as fire crews try to contain a massive wildfire. it is the park fire. it is now burning out of control. let's go to david noriega he has the latest for us. apparently this is 13 times the size of san francisco? >> reporter: it is now the fourth largest wildfire in california history. it started a little over 10 days ago, the first few days were extreme fire behav

vice president harris isn't expected at the journalists' convention but is in talks to speak to nabjn september. but at a rally in atlanta last night, she called out trump by name after he backed away from a scheduled debate. vp. harris: as the saying goes if you've got something to say, , say it to my face. lisa: the harris rally had plenty of star power including a performance from rapper megan thee stallion. harris took aim at trump and the conservative "project 2025" . vp. harris: just look at his project 2025 agenda. [crowd booing] vp. harris: i take it you've seen it. lisa: this after the head of project 2025 working with the conservative heritage foundation stepped down yesterday amid criticism and calls from the trump campaign for it to end. heritage says the work started by project 2025, and the dozens of former trump administration officials who shaped it, will continue. but in atlanta, harris deployed another rhetorical weapon a new adjective hurled at the trump campaign more and more in recent days. vp. harris: by the way, don't you find some of their stuff to just be pla

entire life with racial issues, give us your perspective on what you saw and felt yesterday at the nabje, and what you think it means for this campaign. >> reporter: absolutely, chris. this was a really remarkable series of comments by former president trump. i think it's very important to note that his comments questioning harris's identity came within the first five minutes of the interview and were unsolicited, which indicates in some ways this had been on his mind, he had been thinking about it. that's a striking fact given over the last week or so, we have been seeing kamala harris really come into the fore mere, as you said, she's going to be soon officially nominated as the democratic nominee for president here, and all of that shows that she's been dominating the news cycle and has been front and have for several weeks at this point and trump may have been some ways felt he was not on his back foot and not part of the narrative. this is a way to grab attention again. when i talk to members here, is overwhelmingly what folks were saying, they weren't thesely surprised, even thoug

so what was your basic takeaway from donald trump's appearance at the nabj?at he behaved, the way he responded to questions, basically demonstrated his complete disrespect for reality. in tota. okay. so the claim that he made about, kamala harris being, you know, deciding to be black out of convenience, it's just simply not true. you don't go to an hbcu to associate with blackness out of convenience. you go to an hbcu to choose solidarity and community with one's people. okay? kamala harris is history, the way that she, is in the world, you know, her being in the world demonstrates that what trump is saying is completely absurd and ridiculous. but that's trump's m.o, okay? he is a gaslighter. he's an abuser, right? he is a violator. and the way that he responded about harris's, race is exactly how he responded to every question that he was asked. >> so do you think the moderators handled donald trump correctly? and i've heard from people who say he never should have been invited. what do you think about that? >> i don't think that he should have been invited,

give the nabj credit by standing by its invitation to both candidates and mr.rump for facing a hostile crowd. that is how the wall street journal frames it this morning. ed, ocean city, new jersey, independent. caller: yes, ed o'donnell, i applaud and congratulate the journalists further questioning, very good question. i don't support any politician in either party, but i think journalists should be more aggressive in questioning politicians because a lot of these politicians are in some serious -- host: let's stop there. carl, independent color. caller: yes. i didn't know what was going on yesterday, but the republican party let their crazy white uncle come to a black barbecue. he comes out and he just starts insulting them. you all are a bunch of dumb negroes. it wasn't just harris. he insulted of mike journalists -- the black journalists. this black people here, you didn't know this? it doesn't surprise me listening to those on the republican line trying to offer some excuse for what he fundamentally did. he just insulted an entire racial community. we are

i do think trump just showed up at the nabj , it feels like 1 million years ago, but he was literallyaughed at in that circumstance. so i just don't know if he is staying away from crowds. his crowds also look very different from kamala harris's crowds. and you can see that this week. her social team was definitely not afraid of trolling the trump campaign, and showing here is what our crowd looks like, here is what your crown looks like. it is been so interesting for me to watch that. it really feels like it is the same people from the biden campaign, that it is like they have been activated in some way. now they are sending out the most responsive stuff i have seen in a while. but i don't know what he's doing. but it doesn't make a ton of sense to me. >> john, what you think about that? joe biden and his campaign were famously tied to the michelle obama, when they go low, we go high. right now vp harris's campaign seems to be when they go low, we are going to hit them where it hurts. >> are we referring to couch jokes here? >> no, no. you know what? hold on a minute. you know why i

couldn't have been like a more designed place for her to be in the aftermath of trump's comments at nabj. and yet, she did not clearly want to make all of her remarks about that, knowing that it would be just adoration from this crowd on anything she was saying this know, she stuck to two sentences to make the point that she made a call, it disrespectful, but also the same old show and not trying to be distracted from it. doug emhoff, her husband, was at a fundraiser in maine. he said, this is an attempt to distract. so while when trump says outrageous things, the way he said, when he falsely claimed that she wasn't black at the nabj there is the ability for that to just move into an outrage cycle and no doubt get donations going in play to the base. but that's not what harris chose to do here. what the candidate chose to do here was actually keep her reaction to it pretty limited and move on to try and keep the focus on what she thinks will actually will served her purpose and winning this election me yeah. i think that's an excellent point because the reality now for the harris campaig

second, because he was narrow casting in the black community last week before trump appeared at the nabj, joel d. a harrisburg, pennsylvania cbs network anchor went to a central pennsylvania barbershop seeking some candid conversation among the revelations that some of the black men that he interviewed did not regard harris as black it's camila going to make you a little more likely or less likely to vote democrat well, of course, great photo break is because commonly black, yes or no i'm going to let her speak on it but to me, no oh, i was getting a little black yes or no a share that same view. >> wow, it's come up, let us know hersh she was a hershey's half black and half agent when i played that audio on my sirius xm radio program on thursday, many callers who self-identified as african-american were quick to tell me that those men were the exception, not the rule some described them as low information voters, no different than you'd find among whites trump is outperforming other republican presidential candidates for the black vote. >> recent polling by the new york times and sienna