nacira, what is your analysis? there's a _ happening? nacira, what is your analysis? and _ analysis? there's a huge difference between 2017 and today, _ analysis? there's a huge difference between 2017 and today, regarding | between 2017 and today, regarding how people engage with the campaign, when you _ how people engage with the campaign, when you think of people on the left like melenchon they started their campaign six or eight months ago so they had _ campaign six or eight months ago so they had some sense that there was a real issue _ they had some sense that there was a real issue at _ they had some sense that there was a real issue at stake, they really had to be _ real issue at stake, they really had to be campaigning for ahead of time, whereas— to be campaigning for ahead of time, whereas macron considered he was winning _ whereas macron considered he was winning anyway and especially he took advantage, if i may say, unfortunately of the war in ukraine because _ unfortunately of the war in ukraine because he — unfortunately of the war in ukraine because he

nacira guenif, a professor of sociology and anthropology here in paris, has been with me all evening.o all french people from the beginning, and making sure that people do not be doing marine le pen's name, he was adamant that she they should not do that and again he's trying to present himself as the president of france, the ecological nation, which is something he did not deliver during his first term, and he is trying to act as someone who might be in favour ofjustice, but let's not forget that he proposed this measure for people who are receiving an amount of money every month, that they should also provide some work which is the first time that this is proposed, and he has drawn on the right to propose this measure and finally what i find interesting, he wants to gather all energies of france in order to move forward, but he was devising himself during his term and i will take one example that relates to my field of activity as a professional in academia, he was the one who launched a national campaign against academics, as intellectuals that were divisive for the french nation.

in the meantime i am joined by with joined by alexandre kouchner, a political analyst here and naciraincennes, saint—denis we had to turn out at 5pm, two percentage points down on last time, what you read into that? i percentage points down on last time, what you read into that?— what you read into that? i think the questionnaire _ what you read into that? i think the questionnaire asking _ what you read into that? i think the questionnaire asking themselves i what you read into that? i think the questionnaire asking themselves in| questionnaire asking themselves in the high court as he did not turn out? the question is, who did not come out, was at the melenchon voters who would support my 0micron simply because they hate marine le pen? melenchon was the runner—up came third, of the radical left. melenchon was the runner-up came third, of the radical left.— third, of the radical left. exactly, he was very _ third, of the radical left. exactly, he was very close, _ third, of the radical left. exactly, he was very close, was _ third, of the radical left. exactly, he was very close, was

malcolm: sociologist and anthropologist nacira guenif specializes in migration and ethnic minorities.supporters of left winger jean-luc melenchon, eliminated in the election's first round held two weeks ago, will vote for macron on sunday. what do you think the chances that there could be a trump style upset and that le pen will win against the odds? >> yes, there might be something of that kind. i mean, if you consider that europe is not free of all these tendencies and france is part of europe, and it hasn't fought hard enough against states like hungary or poland that put to the fore these kind of policies against migration, against civil rights. malcolm: they are relying on disaffected voters to cast votes against le pen. >> i tell you, i've got the chills. 's scary. it's scary because in her right wing program, where do we immigrants go? what are we going to do? what are we going to become? malcolm: le pen's campaign is banking on unhappy left leaning voters abstaining. mariama sadio falls into that camp. don't you think you have to vote tactically to stop le pen from getting in?