who believed in me, and that was ralph nader. other people said, gidget goes to washington, gidget doesn't know -- because you can do a community organizing, what are you doing here? or something like that. but ralph stood next to me. he stood by me. he did the first thing, and i'll forever be grateful to ralph to break through that other sort of social cultural power, if you will, that's out there. so, thank you, ralph, and let's all give him a round of applause because he's done something for all of us, right? so i love breaking through power, but i have to say, i didn't use to. when i was gidget, whatever that means. i was a homemaker. i believed in the system. i believed that if there was a problem, something -- someone would come to our aid. some government agency would do something. how silly. but i believed it. and so we went at love canal, we had 20,000 tons of chemicals. it leaked out of the dump. it was in our communities, for those who don't recall the struggle, because it was quite some time ago. and our children got

i'll tell you a little story about nader's raiders since ralph mentioned it.here were three of us writing the report to the federal trade commission. we were told we had to testify before the ftc. it's pretty intimidating to testify against the group you're testifying in front of. bob, you write the testimony but john schultz, you deliver it. and john, of course, is older than we were, he was a yale law graduate, very handsome. so i hated him. and so -- but i was supposed to write the testimony, he was supposed to deliver. i started out with this agency has failed to and followed that with this agency has failed to, and this agency has failed to 27 times and then ralph looked at it. he's not going to let it go. he added the last sentence about geritol and tired blood. john is giving me dirty looks while delivering it. he's also, of course, very friendly with the secretary of the personnel director of the agency, very friendly, and we got all the documents that were flying through the ftc during this period and so that's the backdrop for our being coined nader'

. >> ralph nader is here to discuss the third-party impact. as a candidate emerges from this convention. when "all in" starts right now. >>> good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. what was supposed to be a press conference about donations to veterans charities devolved into an omni-directional airing of grievances with presumptive republican presidential nominee donald trump berating political enemies in his own party, going after a federal judge for his handling of a lawsuit brought by trump university, unlear being insets against the media for seeking to hold trump to account for donations he promised to make. >> i'm not looking for credit. but what i don't want when i raise millions of dollars, have people say, like this sleazy guy right over here from abc. he's a sleaze. you're a sleaze. because you know the fakes and you know the facts well. >> about those facts. in january, when he was feuding with fox news, trump skipped a fox-hosted presidential debate and with great fanfare held a competing event to raise money for veterans' gro

famous doctors and scientists will be there and so will ralph nader. >> yay. >> ralph nader is our leader and we're really pleased to have him here with us today. thank you. [ applause ] >> thank you very much, jay. >> so then there are pollinators. you heard about the colony collapse disorder, the demise of bees, pollinator health. our job, our job is to bring issues like this into the forefront. it takes years. those stories didn't just appear on the front pages of our newspaper. it was years and years of education. 1/3 of all the food we eat is dependent on pollinators for its production. without bees, our survival is threatened. yet epa is eager to register the next new pesticide. so they did that. with the neonicatanoid pesticides which are chemicals. they invade the vascular system of the plant and express themselves through the nectar and pollen and indiscriminately attack beneficial organisms, bees, birds, butterflies. we brought a truckload -- the bees aren't actually in the hives, but a beekeeper came to the epa to make that point. congressman at the time kucinich joined with us

[applause] >> so i thank you, ralph neighbor--ralph nader... >> [laughter] >> ralph nader, the consumer advocate in our neighborhood. thank you so much. >> thank you very much. thank you. thank you. [laughs] [applause] [applause]qwueeewep@1@xxxx thank you. thank you very much, and good evening to every body. thank you so much for coming out tonight. to the musliml legal fund for inviting me here and for the outstanding work they do. i'm as genuine as i can be when i say everyone in those two organitions is extremely impressive, even inspiring to me because of the work they do in areas where very few other organizations are able or willing to venture. i'm truly delighted to participate in any event they sponsor any work they do. for the last 6, 7 years, i have been writing about the systemic erosion and attack on civil liberties in the united states and the war on terror that justifies those erosions that drivesm-phobia those. the past few years i have been spending an increasing amount of time traveling around the untry speaking about these issues at events like this, similar offe

nader siphoned off enough gore votes that gore lost the elect.ut nader til had to stain his own debate four years later when w. * and kerry wouldn't let him play puppet master. he extended the rule of international law. that's the best way to deal with these people is for open, public trials that will extend the ability of international law. >> he debated puppets. kennedy: people are making a big deal about hillary clinton running for president because she is a woman. but green partyer jill stein garnered almost half a million votes, and here is what she got tore trying to sit in on a debate she was ex cloud from four years ago. >> if you refuse to move, you are subject to arrest. >> come on, we'll help you. watch the flag. kennedy: when jill steinem and the national review are saying the same thing, they are saying the cp -- is a corrupt cartel. 1% of voters are dissatisfied with the clinton-trump ticket. 100% would be better served hearing the non-traditional idea of people like gary johnson and jill stein rubbed all over hillary's face. but yo

ralph nader destroyed al gore. all these people say don't blame me, i voted for john anderson. give republicans on the anti-trump bandwagon. somebody to vote for. >> it's the least democratic way to pick a president. >> whether it works or not, it would be helpful to have someone that somebody knows. >> yes. >> start with that. >> you know david french. >> i know who he is. i'm almost certain that rank and file republicans around the country have no clue who this brother is. we wanted to talk about it. >> people are saying this would be an honorable mission that they need somebody with courage and heft. >> libertarians are saying that too. they wrote mr. johnson isn't likely to win a state, but he can still play a useful role by reminding the major party candidates that they aren't the only choices. mr. trump seems to think he can say whatever he wants because millions of voters are repealed by mr. clinton. >> 50% of the population he's talking about hispanics, mexicans in this way when the opposite is true. it's racist. >> are you ready for donald trump once you're in this thi

kind of like al gore said it was that nader guy.et on the ballot in georgia where i am i would be happy to support him. more than half the people are supporting him because they don't like the other guy. >> that's the thing. a lot of republicans are saying we're going to vote for trump, even if we don't love him, we don't want to give this election to hillary clinton. there are never trumpers who say, i don't care. my conscience will not allow me to vote for donald trump. >> well, that's basically the camp i'm in. if you're going to have an enemy in government better it be the enemy of the other party, because at least that way you won't have to take ownership of them. that said i'm a never hillary person. these are essentially two crap sandwiches i don't want to eat either one. >> amen. we're in the mess that we're in. part of david's rationale is they have polling that shows that just a john doe. if voters are given a choice john doe starts with about 10 or 12% of the electorate. that is enough to get into debates. it helps that h

nader. and welcome to all of you this evening. we are gonna have a conversation. and then we're gonna open up to questions that you all have submitted. so let's just kick it right off now. when i told my friends, ralph, that i was going to interview you tonight, the most frequent response i got was, "ralalph nader. where'e's he be? what's he been up to?" so where have you been? and what have you been up to? >> see, if you're not on tthe evenining news, you're notn the national media, they don't think you're doing anything. we have never stopped. we start new groups. we foster all kinds of propoposals. we try to disseminate ininformation. we lobby capitol hill. we n never stopped. i mean, if you want to see what we're doing, you want to get my weekly column free, just go to nader.org and sign up and look back over the years. it's been 40 years now. you'll see what we're working on. and all the groups that i founded i like to spin off so they're autonomous and they're on their own two feet. there have been over a hundred of these groups. >> fantastic. so we're comin

alternative the question is he thinks he can qualify which party would he prospero heard the publicans ralph nader the democrats libertarians' i would think it would pull little bit from the republican and democrats. a government if it will the generate crumpled the will fire up how did a newcomer get the money necessary the the base be created from scratch >> pam: are waiting for bernie sanders and seven california when he hits the stage for we will take a life. >> reporter: would make a phenomenal president i'm really it's excited tonight jews we're able the help of our closer to that dream. to alter as president >> vicki: see a very positive a lot of folks thought it would be a closer race in california what do not think you'd be so close. at that today people enjoy it and love a party at the state. at that today who was benched and get the job done. it's a good and hillary you see every single detail on how she wants to move our country forward i think that's what people got excited about. . >> vicki: you where are on which his first lady and now witnessing of bill clinton's first gentleman. .

. >> ralph nader, thank you sir. that's "all in" for this evening. >> thanks for joining us this hour, rachel has the night off. we begin tonight in one of the darkest hours for bill and hillary clinton. let's set the scene. it's march of 1992. the top movie in the country is "wayne's world." roseanne, murphy brown, cheers, they're tearing it up in the tv ratings. duke and indiana are gearing up for an epic final four showdown. mike krzyzewski against bob knight what a matchup. bill clinton is running for president and it has been rocky. he has endured the jennifer flowers scandal as the arkansas cabaret singer who told "the star" she'd had a 12-year affair with clinton. she had tapes, ugly comments about political rivals from a voice that sounded a lot like bill clinton's. there was a denial from bill clinton but it was a carefully worded denial. what was he saying? what wasn't he saying? it was messy. it was the vietnam draft scandal. bill clinton pulled strings to avoid service. all of this had been fatal for othe

i mean, as you have more and more these court, nader's on-site. is that funding for those positions covered in the fee in the transportation fee, were how are you going to support this? is the planning commission or were mta? was can be working with them? >> testifier: just to clarify, on-site means not on-site at the city. >> director raphael: clear-cut to check in with them on an 18 month basis? >> testifier: the key months is after the building comes occupied we would do an 18 month check-in and then it's once annually. even more robust. the word wicks has three potential fees. the first fee is about an application fee when a person that their plan. that fee will cover the staff time of reviewing the plan and the pre-occupancy compliance check. the ongoing annual compliance check will also have an annual fee. that will cover the administrative cost of that as well. you are absolutely correct that over time, as more and more projects come on, you potentially could need more and more staff, but we also think we will probably learn from the progra

like the most innagamous example was ralph nader.t to bush, because of people on the center left or left, probably left who voted for ralph nader, votes that would have gone to al gore. >> let's take the scenario and look at states where gary johnson could have appeal that could be swing states. >> florida. >> new mexico, maybe. arizona, maybe. colorado, certainly. where marijuana is a big deal. so those are like real possibilities. that said, you look at the polls. 9%. that's not going to do it. he needs to get on the debate stage and crack 50 -- >> what are his chances of getting up on that debate stage? >> i don't imagine he's got a chance, because i think there will be other people entering this race. there are other people -- >> who's the fourth party candidate, probably? >> bill stein on the left. >> the green party. >> that's correct. >> but there's also still a never-trump movement that's trying to get on the ballot to save a space for some white horse candidate who they think is going to ride in. i'm not telling you who it i

and it's going to be interesting, it will be the ralph nader of 2016, perhaps. >> if we end up with donaldrump and hilary clinton on the november ballot, which most likely be the scenario. how likely will voters from either party will cross over and vote for another party in protest? >> i was thinking of a scenario where that would happen. i don't see a lot of cross ticket joining if you will. but if you look at the numbers of hilary and bernie compared to trump, it seems that if anything, there's a segment of trump voters that will jump over to bernie and that don't support hilary, in other words, if you put hilary and bernie up against trump, there's a segment of people that seem to go over to bernie, that, that are not there for trump later. so, about 10% points that seems like, bernie does 10% points better than hilary. >> can i say, it would be fun to see a trump/sanders race, if they were the nominees, that would be interesting. >> probably not going to happen. that would be a stark choice. i actually think bernie sanders has gotten something of a free ride. bernie is not attacking h

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ralph nader called me and read the article. i was shocked by it. i don't think someone who is in government -- >> you're poking your finger at him and he poked it back. >> i come with this family wealth and $1500 lawsuit and he makes a line accusation about my wife. >> it was in the washington post. >> that doesn't make it true. >> are you saying that they lied? >> i'm saying that i never funny danny -- funneled any money through my wife's firm. never. bitter ford pretty quite a long time. i'm trying to remember what jerry brown called clinton. in a candid moment he was talking about how his opponent meg whitman was going after him using something clinton had said about brown having raised taxes when he was governor in the late 1970's and early 1980's. brown responded to that by a leading to the impeachment and bill clinton's philandering. he mocked the " i did not have sexual relations with that woman" line. later apologized for. >> how much of this is for hillary clinton? how much is to make sure donald trump is not elected in november? >> more o

. >> ralph nader is here to discuss the third-party impact. as a candidate emerges from this convention.

in 2000, let's remember ralph nader siphoned just enough liberal votes for george w. bush to wind up defeating al gore and in 1992, independent ross perot caused havoc. a victory for bill clinton. there, you have that. >> these are fascinating times we're going through. can one or both of these smatter parties spoil the outcome for the major parties. >> they can and we don't know whether there will be enough disaffected voters to go their way. if they do, watch out. it will be chaos for all. >> you'll have a new book to write about this topic. there is still time to vote tonight. go to our website before you go out to the polls. nbcbayarea.com for our voters edge election guide. we posted it. you can also look up your polling place. >> so was vigilante justice the motive for murder? they show an attack on a 66-year-old homeless man. investigative reporter jackson van der beckon tells us that the victim was beaten, stomped, and dumped after a group of transients convicted him of being a sex offender. >> they found the battered body of a 66-year-old homeless man. author

i mean, as you have more and more these court, nader's on-site. that funding for those positions covered in the fee in the transportation fee, were how are you going to support this? is the planning commission or were mta? was can be working with them? >> testifier: just to clarify, on-site means not on-site at the city. >> director raphael: clear-cut to check in with them on an 18 month basis? >> testifier: the key months is after the building comes occupied we would do an 18 month check-in and then it's once annually. even more robust. the word wicks has three potential fees. the first fee is about an application fee when a person that their plan. that fee will cover the staff time of reviewing the plan and the pre-occupancy compliance check. the ongoing annual compliance check will also have an annual fee. that will cover the administrative cost of that as well. you are absolutely correct that over time, as more and more projects come on, you potentially could need more and more staff, but we also think we will probably learn from the program a

. >> it's going to be a close race and everybody who covered election 2000 remembers ralph nader andbelieve that's what turned the election against them. nobody is too small to disrupt an election this time around i don't think. i think you have to pay attention to everything. >> i think in particular while he's a libertarian so less government will appeal in certain ways to voters, i think the trade issue will appeal to conservatives but i think it's important for us to keep these third-party candidates in the conversation. i think it's important for us to have these people in the conversation because they matter and they can win if we vote for them. >> they can win the presidency. >> if enough people vote for them. >> that's how it works. >> theoretically. >> hillary clinton, do you think she knows how to campaign against donald trump and do you think her campaign knows how to counter donald trump. >> absolutely. i think the campaign is running two races right now. we're finishing the democratic primary and preparing to run in the general election and i have no doubt when we fully

susan strand and was a big supporter of ralph nader, so i don't think you are going to look at the namesho endorse bernie sanders and think i can't believe they are supporting him over hillary clinton. i also think it's funny you have people like dick van dyke who have come out and appearing at rallies, older than the candidate. i think it shows the kind of breath of support -- older celebrities, younger celebrities, sanders loves to tell the fact that he has vampire weekend backing him. it's probably hitting all these demographic groups -- a group of them are going out by bus, traveling the state as celebrity surrogates. they have had a -- mark: if you were here at the california primary, all anyone would talk about is obama and clinton in that race. is that going on in that hollywood community? are people more focused on other things or what? ted: there's a lot of acrimony right now. the clinton people are very worried about the damage sanders can do and the sanders people are defensive. he has every right to stay in this race but it's not at the level that it was with clinton and obam

is why we have rules laws about tobacco and lead .aint -- any number of things seatbelts, route for naderthe whole development of those standards. there will always be tension. interests ong from the ground that want the protection, and from people who want the freedom to do what they do. its balance. an equilibrium. in the united states of america are safer today than they were 25-years ago, 50-years ago. they live longer, less injuries in the workplace, all kinds of benefits. it works out in the end. my interview with u.s. secretary of state john kerry. next, the ceo of instagram as the company crosses a user milestone. ♪ emily: noun to instagram. four years ago facebook. the app for $1 billion. payings like that is off. the answer game community has doubled and reaches 500 million active users. we set down with cofounder and ceo kevin systrom for an interview. i asked about reaching the half a billion user milestone. kevin: what is amazing is that i think the last time we talked we had a couple of million users. it has been a little over five years. getting there at breakneck. we built

it's close. 58% agree with ralph nader. that they should go to jail. 42% say the fines are enough.ichelle: interesting. alison: thank you. jonathan: news flash. it hurts to walk on fire. duh. coming up, how many people had trouble at one of the tony robbins seminars where they walk on the fire? and his group's response. we willsh next. michelle: turning up the heat. barbecue battle. the celebs in town. we have the weekend kickoff in a few minutes. alison: i head to the newsroom to prepare for "abc7 news at 5:00". where president obama joined a gay rights landmark in making history. the order the president just sign and what it means coming up new on "abc7 news at 5:00". see you then. the greek flavors of our mediterranean collection.ve your choice of delicious chicken or hearty steak. with crumbled feta and cool, creamy tzatziki sauce. try our mediterranean collection today. subway. fresh is what we do. michelle: this is the dramatic scene last night near dallas after emergency crews were called to treat thousands of people with burns. jonathan: supposed to be a motivational moment

when i talked to him early when he was thinking about this campaign that he did not want to be a raf nader. he wasn't going to do something that would empower the republicans. we know what happened with that. we got george bush and it was an absolutely disaster for our country. certainly all sides have to reach out. in other words it's important that the ideas he's put forward that energized millions of americans that those ideas find embodiment in this presidential campaign. if that doesn't happen, then it's not going to be easy to say to folks come and join us, we reject your ideas but come and join us. there's got to be effort on both sides to reach out. i think there will be because there's many issues that secretary clinton shifted on during the campaign because of bernie's campaign. ones where she took on -- she finally -- she opposed the key stone pipeline why she didn't originally. she opposed drilling in the arctic. >> and tpp. >> and tpp. >> that's going to be a fascinating fight particularly if there's a lame duck tpp vote which i project. >> thank you for your time tonight. >>>

. >> in the year 2000 ralph nader got 2.7% of the national vote. i believe that. that's true. >> that's the margin in some states. libertarians might pull enough votes from one of the candidates to pitch a vote in that state or another one. >> that's a good point. what's different this year than we have had in a long time is both republicans and democrats understand that the court is in play. >> supreme court. >> the supreme court is in play. in some years you might be willing to say i will give my vote to the libertarians. this year you may feel i don't want hillary naming the judges. >> could be a spoiler role in some states but not winning a state or getting -- >> it's not just marginal issues. johnson said he'd cut military spending by 20%. >> the democrats like that. >> the world is on fire and the next president will have to deal with it. china and russia are building their military. >> those are for people who like bernie. >> the high water mark was ross perot. he got bill clinton elected president. if libertarians thrive they will succeed i

remember ralph nader got 2.7% in 2000 and switched the white house from al gore to george w.. >> hillary clinton is counting on those supporters as well when he bows out. thank you very much larry sabato. i appreciate your time. >> thank you. >>> retiring after 70. baby boomers facing the reality of working longer. we'll take a look at the negatives and the positives of this growing trend. every time i drive. ...want my number? and cash back for driving safe. and the power to automatically find your car... i see you car! and i got the power to know who's coming and when if i break down. ...you must be gerry. hey... in means getting more from your car insurance with the all-powerful drivewise app. it's good to be in, good hands. >>> a new survey shows more americans are planning to retire after the age of 70. 23% of americans with jobs say they plan on working into their seventh decade. that's up from 16% in 2009. is it the love of jobs or just financial necessity that's prompting them to say that? joining me is rick newman of yahoo finance. are you talking to mostly millennia

ralph nader got 1% of the vote and that flipped florida for bush over gore. all it takes is the candidate, these numbers are so small, these differences between trump and clinton and we have had this in this country that no one wins by 20 points as they did 20 or 30 years ago. i do think it is significant. these sanders people want to shake up washington and wall street and hillary clinton is not in a position to get that type of voter. charlie: let me raise one question. this notion that bill kristol said over the weekend that there could be a third-party candidate . do you guys see that as likely, do you know who he is talking about and does he know what he is talking about? >> it is likely something will happen. .e have a third party candidate gary johnson on the libertarian ticket. it does not take much to tip the balance. it is hard to start from scratch right now and launch a meaningful independent presidential campaign. that is a tough thing. the green party is on balance and the libertarian party is on balance. this might be a place where none of thes

. >> all we need to do is remember 2000, when ralph nader as the green party candidate, got 2.7% of theote nationally, and literally switched the presidency from al gore to george w. bush. >> reporter: stein is poised as a potential giant killer to hillary clinton, especially with the electorate closely divided. the rise of bernie sanders on the left and donald trump on the right reflects a hunger for upheaval. with sanders saying he plans to vote for clinton in november, his legions of young supporters may find stein an appealing alternative. >> about half of bernie supporters have reduced to go back into the democratic party. more than half of hillary supporters don't support hillary. they're just opposing trump. the same is true for trump supporters. >> reporter: her positions closely mirror those of sanders. >> you didn't want the meltdown of the climate. you didn't want the massive wall street bailouts. you didn't want the offshoring of our jobs. >> reporter: but she has to clack the 15% polling threshold to get on the national debate stage with clinton and trump. gary johnson face

nader explained that they can pinpoint the treatment.ied that there was this genetic abnormality in her tumor, we were able to place her on very specific therapy. our individualized care model gives each lung patient specific treatment options with innovative procedures that are changing the way we fight lung cancer. we have excellent technology that will allows us to perform very specialized procedures for patients who have lung disease. to learn more about these targeted therapies and advanced procedures for lung cancer, as well as the experienced physicians who deliver them, go to cancercenter.com when he showed me the cat scans, i was so amazed. with this treatment, she had a dramatic response. call or go to cancercenter.com. cancer treatment centers of america. care that never quits. appointments available now. >>> welcome back to "squawk alley." we have a news alert in the hedge fund, and according to dow jones, citing sources familiar, alliance bernstein is set to buy a heblg fund that the deal could be announced as earlier as tod

person as i am, and you cast your mind back to 2000 and say, hey, look, certain people who supported naderbecause al gore and george w. bush were the same creature, you now realize how wrong that is and we would not be in iraq if al gore were president, and you cannot say that al gore and george w. bush is the same person, and the same lunatic fringe is accusing hillary clinton and the republican party as the same creature, and sewer shoo, you can say that you can compare hillary clinton and ben bernanke and not the same as trump, and i wish they would shut the hell continue, because that is the race we have trump or clinton and may the best woman win. which ever one of them is a woman, i don't know. which ever one is a woman, i want that person to win. >> all right. ath least you are honest about it. >> i am. >> and thank you, michael. another look at the markets and hitting 18k for the first time since april today, and first, rick santelli, what are you watching? >> well, carl, i'm watching the equities market and paying close attention to the nasdaq and the run for 5000 and considering

we can't afford, almost like a ralph nader situation, where the democrat liberals split off. a disastrous result. d i cannot imagine a more disastrous result than someone with the lack of intelligence, thoughtfulness, temperament like donald trump being in the white house, particularly for a city like oakland, a city that is so diverse, so full of people that really deserve better access to opportunities. donald trump would be a nightmare. whereas hillary clinton has a plan. she has a track record. she knows how to get things done. that is why i'm so excited about her being my president and for the people of oakland. >> we have seen some violent ri rioting at donald trump's rallies most recently in san jose there. do you condemn those attacks on his supporters? >> you know, it just again goes to show how divisive a person he is and how as a leader he would just rip this country apart. we need somebody who's going to unify us. and hillary has had a very dignified approach in this campaign. her tolerance of the kind of insults that have been thrown at her have been befitting a

he doesn't want to be ralph nader.cratic party in the right direction. >> what do you think about clinton's unfavorability rates? they're diminishing and you have her opposition increasing and her polling against trump narrowing. so anti-trump republicans, do you worry they might start seeing sanders -- do you have thoughts they might start seeing sanders as a viable alternative? >> i really don't think so. and i think a lot is being made out of tse polls pitting trump agns stage. he quite frankly should be concerned because he should be leading her at this point. she still hasn't totally locked it down officially and he has. i think it's troubling for donald trump's campaign that he isn't actually ahead of her at this point in the polls. >> pollster frank luntz argues there's one crucial group in the election, what he calls none of the above voters. how does either candidate appeal to these voters, howard? >> well, hilly can appeal to them. i don't think trump can. i agree with everything elise has said. his problem i

liar you might hear from david after me he liked what david had to say, he sounded more like ralph nadera republican politician. this is extremely trouble some, you know, why i am supporting republican delegates to actually speak out against trump, either through the platform of the rules committee or on the floor of the convention, we're in danger of having two antitrade parties which will be a disaster for our economy long term, you know, because, you know, of the nature of the world we're living in today. >> let's listen to what donald trump said today about hillary clinton and tpp. >> she would make a small token change, declare the tpp pack fix and ram it through and you will suffer. that's why hillary is now only say she has problem with tpp in its current form. you know what that means, they'll make like a two world change and she effects it and she'll feel great. she said in its current form. she can rush to embrace it again and she'll let the earliest opportunity. if the media doesn't believe me, i have a challenge for you, and hillary, ask hillary if she's willing to withdraw f

we've known for a long time he's much closer to bernie sanders and ralph nader than he is to ronald reaganree market conservatives when it comes to trade. he thinks this populism will play well in michigan, pennsylvania, ohio. but we did not become the richest country in the world by isolating ourselves. we've opened our boarders to the movement of goods and services and people and it's made us one of the wealthiest nations ever. i think trump knows this intuitively, which is why his closing line is manufacturing in china and why he hires workers from mexico for his resorts in the u.s. it's made him more wealthy and prosperous and done the same thing for this country. i think he knows it, but he thinks that's a political angle here to pretend otherwise. >> you mentioned australia. the australian ambassador to the u.s. tweeted out, 4 july marks 98 years of fighting side by side in battle. his talk of rape is offensive and dead wrong. there's been reaction to all of this, charles, but on the bigger political picture, is trump seeing something that everyone else is not? >> what he saw for the

wants to play spoiler here and i don't think -- i i don't think there's any real effort to see a ralph nader on the right for this time around. every vote has to be earned. >> that's the question though, isn't it? if you really want to stop trump at all costs having a spoiler would do that, wouldn't it? >> you can pick your metaphor, the iran/iraq war, two terrible choices, they want to stop trump but a lot of people the possibility of electing hillary clinton and four years of a democratic status quo excepts maybe more corrupt, they shuder at that too. they are hoping for a third option. that's why you've seen some polling looking good for gary johnson and william weld on the libertarian ticket. for those who find donald trump unacceptable, four more years of a democratic white house is not very much of an improvement. that's why this previously little known national review writer will be the story of the morning and who knows what the story will be in the coming days and weeks if we don't have any better alternatives. >> jim says a couple of days and thinking about it seriously. let us kno