he was very involved in the infamous nadiri case and he's, how do i say this? he's been mentioned in corruption issues for a very long time. and the government which he headed for a very long time is notoriously inept and corrupt government and it's often been said about the government is that nothing happens in the free set without his prior knowledge and consent. so i don't believe that has any validity whatsoever. the notion that this is purely politically driven, has nothing to do with corruption, i believe there's no credibility whatsoever. >> this case stems from his alleged role in a $15 million contract to find and remove asbestos from homes in the disadvantaged area of the free state province. can you tell us more about how that played out? >> there was money assigned for the removal of asbestos because of the health concerns. and that in ilts seemed not to have been used but was pocketed by a businessman who is politically connected. and most of those asbestos roofs were never actually removed. and this businessman has also confirmed in the commission