what we have is the picture of two women, one, naeve, who has lost her man in this explosion, who hase back and of course is grieve—stricken. and the detective, also a woman, who follows her. and of course has her in her sights. so they are opposing women but they find themselves at the end of the day drawn on to the same path. it's a sort of classic plot device. i don't mean it is fake but one of the fundamental plot devices, isn't it? yes, two women from very, very different back grounds and experiences, arriving, ultimately, in the same landscape in the same culture. and having to function? yes, well, absolutely. naeve is suffering from grief, obviously a deeply—felt grief, obviously a deeply—felt grief, and re—examining everything. asa grief, and re—examining everything. as a writer of this kind of novel, you know, a good page—turner, one where people are involved in inexplicable events that they have to work very hard to unravel, frankly, how do you keep the tension going? it's about what makes you tense as a writer. it's a journey. when you are writing a book, it's a journey you

the top and they have to get solved from the top and the president is the leader and he has to get naevas to leave. in 25 years, 50 years, 100 years from now, when the government, when they talk about the government shutdown, they're going to be talking about the president of the united states. >> so much easier back then, right? >> awkward. >> he makes a good point back then. and he's not doing it now. he doesn't have all the players in a room. >> the good news for him is that's not how it turned out. people didn't blame obama that much. how it will go this way, he was free to say that because he didn't have responsibility at that time. i do think bringing schumer over and having this responsibility is how you do it. it is under fortunate that we do it in this pressure cooker situation. many people's politics on shutdown change depending on who is in charge. my view this is irresponsible. in the end, probably less catastrophic materially and politically handle the conventional wisdom says. it didn't end up being that much of a giant deal. i think the same is true here. >> can we point