bush and bill clinton, warned us against nafta.listen to this. >> if you're paying $12, $13, $14 an hour for factory workers and you can move your factories south of the border, pay $1 an hour for labor, hire young 20 -- that's assuming you've been in business for a long time, you've got a mature workforce. pay $1 an hour for your labor, have no healthcare, that's the most expensive single element making the costs, have no environmental controls, no pollution controls, and no retirement, and you don't care about anything but making money, there will be a giant sucking sound going south. >> he was prophetic. >> yeah. well, and the funny bit about his math is that actually one of the things which is distressing, and apparently this is actually worse in the tpp, but the companies had tended to move production even when the economic case was very weak. and so when that happens, what you're really seeing is a transfer from -- you're not really seeing shareholders benefit. you're basically seeing a transfer from factory labor to the top

after all, we have nafta with canada. there's not that much of a difference. so it should help us get that done. >> so give us the scoop. how are things coming? what do you see as the prospects for these agreements over the next months or years? >> i'm optimistic. we're much further along. it's been underway three plus years. we're trying to work on the outstanding issues which are still significant, but all of the countries around the table are working hard to try to get this done. with regard to ttip, we're at an earlier stage. we have also been spending a lot of time with our european colleagues coming to a common understanding of where we have similar approaches, where we have different approaches to issue. there's no great surprise there. we know how to work our way through it. it doesn't mean it won't be difficult, but it's doable. the great opportunity but also the challenge with the european agreement is we're going to try to bring our regulatory and standard systems more closely together. not regulation, not lower health or safety standards, but try t

nafta is very weak where it comes to foreign entities right to come in and change a sovereign law t p p puts nafta on steroids but already we've seen the oil companies force people in canada that said you know we don't want you drilling in our backyard they've been forced they've been sued in the legislation that prevents that that drilling has been thrown to the side same way with fracking same way with pricing of pharmaceuticals. this is a complete takeover of what we hold so dearly and that's the right for us to be able to govern ourselves tom and it really this is the last stage if this were to succeed this is the last stage of making the united states in a something akin to sy pan in this sense it creates what we call jobs scarcity if you have twenty people that are applying for the same job the employers able to say no we're not going to honor osho we're not going to we're not going to honor regulations we're not going to pay a minimum wage we're not going to allow for unionization and all of a sudden that the person right behind that guy plan for the job says well i'll take t

nafta is very weak where it comes to for a foreign entities right to come in and change a sovereign law t p p puts nafta on steroids but already we've seen the oil companies force people in canada that said you know we don't want you drilling in our backyard they've been forced they've been sued in the legislation that that prevents. that drilling has been thrown to the side same way with fracking same way with pricing of pharmaceuticals this is a complete takeover of what we hold so dearly and that's the right for us to be able to govern ourselves tom and it really this is the last stage if this were to succeed this is the last stage of making the united states in a something akin to psi pan in this sense it creates what we call job scarcity if you have twenty people that are applying for the same job the employers able to say no we're not going to honor osho we're not going to we're not going to honor regulations we're not going to pay a minimum wage we're not going to allow for unionization and all of a sudden that the person right behind that guy plan for the job says well i'll

>> nafta is a model case how we should move on.i would like to stay in the american context, to see how it works with south korea, where we have free trade as well. we are doing great with south korea, even though they have a strong automotive industry themselves. so, i think it really is about embracing free-trade wholeheartedly and work on it. >> any lessons for caterpillar? >> i think virtually all of the imperial data and evidence would show that nafta has been a winner for all three countries, and especially this one. for our company, it has been huge. we have taken advantage of a tremendous oil and gas business in canada, a lot of development in mexico. and tremendous benefit to the u.s. without nafta i do not know where we would be in mexico and canada. mexicans and canadians i know would tell you the same thing. >> what is your experience with nafta 20 years later? >> if you go back to specifically, our exports to mexico were up 8 times. and to canada, up three times. are their winners and losers in the process? yes, but ne

we have nafta with canada. there is not much of a difference with what they are doing with europe than what we are. >> ambassador, how are things coming? what do you see as the prospects for both of these agreements over the next months or years? >> i'm optimistic. we are much further along on tpp. it has been underway three plus years. we are trying to work on the outstanding issues, which are still significant, but all of the countries around the table are working hard to try to get this done. are atgard to t-tip, we an earlier stage, but we have also been spending a lot of time with our european colleagues coming to a common understanding where we have similar or different approaches to an issue. there is no surprise. which does not mean it may not be very difficult, but i think it is doable. the great opportunity and also the challenge with the european agreement is that we are going to try and bring our regulatory standards more closely together, healthegulation, lower and safety standards by trying to eli

that a lot of democrats including candidate obama before he was elected was very critical of nafta and and the fact that many economists say that it killed tons of jobs here in the u.s. and it and had other very negative side effects he was a vocal critic as were many democrats so if it does turn out that a lot of the same instruments that were used in nafta are being used here in t p p there could be very politically damaging is there anything these congress people that are speaking up can do you know at this point to stop this from going through oh sure well republicans have also voiced their concerns they want some. more currency provisions put into the agreement but at the end of the day the obama administration wants to fast track this idea that means that it will not have a chance to be debated on the floor of the congress congress people will only be able to get an up and down vote so once it gets down down to the congressional floor it will be very difficult to start if they indeed zero zero in favor of and lastly hermano what's next in negotiations what what can we expect goin

system since nafta. that is why the trade policy we are pursuing now builds on the lessons of nafta and focuses also i'm trying to raise labor standards, environmental standards, property rights policies and global supply chains so we can help drive jobs into the united states and make this a magnet for investment and the production and manufacture. >> we will have to move on but i want to thank ambassador froman. it's a remarkable period of aggressive trade action and negotiations coming out of washington and this was a triptych program. thanks very much. >> thank you very much ambassador. [applause] >> a typical day would begin with her coming in of a morning, probably around 9:00 and she would come and toting a straw bag in each hand filled with some of the things you see on her desk that she had taken home for signing or speechwriting or event planning, whatever she was working on. she would come in and get to work. heard desk was always very orderly and that she worked on her desk with letters that

so nafta and the u.s. and the mexican governments basically helped big companies -- smithfield was just one of them -- get rich by keeping wages low or by giving them subsidies and then letting them push farmers into bankruptcy. but that's also why it's so hard for families to survive, because of those same low wages or because people can't farm, or you get laid off from your job when your company is cutting costs or your factory gets privatized or your union gets busted. so they said nafta was going to lead to at least cheap food prices because cheap corn was going to flood the market in mexico, and the price of tortillas instead has gone up three times from what it was in 1994 which is great for a monopoly producer of food in mexico and, of course, or it's great for mexico's largest retailer today which is who? walmart, right. but if you can't afford to buy those to have tortillas, well, o where you can buy them. now, they said that an economy of -- [speaking spanish] and low wages, at least it would pro

i don't know the number but the number that tennessee has produced versus nafta and pre-nafta. a couple of things. number one at the end of the day food today is more about quality and number two it's about access to markets with the whole farm to table deal has become a huge opportunity for local growers and i would say let's keep concentrating on the markets that you know you can do well on with quality. and we will keep specifying tomato farmers. i'm confident your tomatoes can be better than those brought in. >> nafta has been mentioned a couple of times in the context of august. you can export to mexico quite easily and for so there a high tariff. what are the lessons of nafta over these last 20 years and what implications do they have for how these agreements come to being? >> nafta is a model case how we should move on but i'd also like to just stay in the american context to see how it works. south korea we have re-trade as well and we are doing great with south korea even though they have a strong automotive industry themselves, so i think it really is about embracing

after all, we have nafta with candidate. there's not much of a difference between what they're doing with europe and what we are. that should help us get that done. >> ambassador, give us the scoop. what you see as the prospects for both of these agreements over the next months or years? >> i'm optimistic. we are much further along on tpp. it's been underway now for three plus years. we are in the in game. we're trying to work on the outstanding issues which are still significant. all other countries around the table are working very hard to try and get this done. with regard to ttip, as earlier stage, we've also been spending a lot of time over the last year and have with our european colleagues coming to a common understanding of where we have similar approaches, where we have different approaches to issue. there's no great surprise and i think we know how to work our way through it. which doesn't mean it won't be very difficult to think it is doable. the great opportunity but also the challenge with the european agreement

their dancing behind devil and the security they now find the forms that shaped the way think of anti nafta gets to come. amanda's of one of the party's highest leadership of these essential to make tea. they'll spend four days to get that had once known as the head to the reception. honestly this is the senior sessions towards a policy of opening up to the outside while and as such this month the economy. citizens are waiting to see how content and media sculptures economics to show for us the us economy created more jobs last month than analysts had expected the unemployment and stop. department officials said the jobless rate was seven point eight percent and attend to the point comes a time back officials say some people to take a break from black tea to the shutdown of the things said this is counted themselves as unemployed they say that could've pushed out the jobless rate officials also say in chile is added two hundred and four thousand non farm jobs that can pass with one hundred and sixty three thousand in september. i came out a week late eat it that the french town. allegations

we make cars and medical equipment and we grow a lot of tomatoes and they would tell you since nafta that tornadoes sales are down but they also say hours are better in the long term we are going to win. so, we realize you open up our markets to that process but like we said, we cannot believe in competition and we will take our chances to read our job is to set the right structure and ensure we have the right environment to go predictable so they know what they are dealing with and make sure that we are training the right workers and we think we are doing that. >> do you see any way is that some of the losers in the deal, some of the industry that face more competition and more challenges, is there a way to help those workers and to ease some of the difficulty? >> absolutely. when president obama came into office, he wanted to make sure we were negotiating trade agreements that benefits would be broadly shared a and we recognized that we need to take care of anybody who is displaced. and that's why we've always insisted, for example, the trade assistance be part of the package. trad

i followed these negotiations since 1990 one with nafta.during nafta, any member of congress could see any tax -- in fact, the whole agreement between the get shading rance was put -- was acceptable for them to look at. in 2001, the bush administration published the entire free trade of the americas pact, it even when it was in an earlier stage than tpp is now, on government websites. they even excluded members of congress from observing the negotiations. this is extraordinary. to me, what was the most horrifying, i would say, is the ways in which the u.s. negotiators are using this agreement to try and rewrite u.s. law. i find it morally repugnant and outrageous that the u.s. negotiators beat pushing big pharma's agenda to raise medicine prices for the developing countries in the tpp. people in vietnam and all the developing countries that have need thesealaria, generic medicines and this would cut them all. to the extent that theoretically they're supposed to be representing our interests, it would make cancer drugs in this country more e

after nafta, our exports to mexico went up eight times. a candidate three times. after the agreement was struck with chili, our exports to chile went up 10 times. talk about medical equipment better exports are medical equipment to honestly went up about eight times after the free trade agreements were sent. so i'll come back to the point i made to begin with it as the governor were not involved in negotiating trees. we don't debate him in the senate or the house, but those treaties have incredible impact on the things that we do. look forward to discussing it more spin we have an hour. i'm hoping to hear you both capital and bm on locating in tennessee sometime in the next hour. >> you got it. that's why we're here. >> thank you, new. governor, thank you for a great review. we have a very strong presence in nashua the financial services business, several hundred employees. it's a big business and a folder really like to tennessee for lots of reasons. >> can you say that one more time? >> ditto. i'm often asked about manufacturing in america, and can we compete fr

we have a great nafta debate in other struggles. free trade versus this sort of old order, if you will. every single time we move forward in that openness and every single time we have embraced one of those agreements, we have done better. we have transitioned. not always without disruption or location, but with new great to the and innovation and new jobs. i want you to measure what we have done with our neighbors canada and mexico. we have opened up north america through nafta, the greatest single step toward shared disparity in this hemisphere. we know we do not have to share a border in order to share a business. it is why we have free trade agreements with 20 countries from chile to morocco. 700 million people and $7 trillion in gdp. none of that alone would make the united states the best place to invest if we do not also focus on our workers and make sure that we are doing as much as we can to try to have the best workers and the most skilled and productive that we can in the world. that is true in part because we work hard t

the sale on jax has been fostered by a nafta has given us a lift to stamp out the details and auntie dot com. in just a few alice the end of the torch on the twenty fourteen winter games will be taking on a spacewalk for the first time have an authentic smith at times to talk to because my nostril carried into space if i just wasn't meant to control costs. for the first time in history the torch of the olympic games will be taken on a spacewalk aboard the international space station. the chance to speak with the crew up there today so as a cause or not will take the torch on a spacewalk how they intend to mark this momentous occasion. hi my name is lindsey friends from russia today. my question is for all they could call and say it is on skype. on the phrases they can darren and armstrong said on their pioneering space endeavors became historic. the famous contemplate going let's go lucky guy. the one smiles that light armstrong in a way to give me the thought of a catchphrase uli is a neat at the olympic torch on its first ever spacewalk. it is true that many of the most memorable m

is a dangerous zone to be sitting on and it gets worse than that because even conversations about nafta gatt which is their symbolic gas companies see a quiver in of russia's gasper arm of the u.s. is exxon mobil being sold on to a foreign buyers if ukraine doesn't go to the e.u. free trade deal don't know then what are the other options here well they'd have to come back to the drawing table renegotiate russia's union which is where belarus and kazakstan and potentially our media are sitting at the moment now this would mean we've got exports of twenty five percent going to russia at the moment that would have to be fortified as well as that we've also got gas discount dollars discount on. we know that ukraine relies upon those if they were to go the european way they would have to forfeit. so we're seeing a bit of a bit of a dodging on both sides absolutely use not happy with clear decision not to allow you to get medical treatment i mean economically there are huge advantages to going towards the e.u. but they are long term in the short could ukraine default in its ambitions potentia

well we'll let the transnational corporations in the other countries write our trade laws basically nafta calf to shaft to get the whole thing. we have this problem and so frankly mark i mean you can complain about china all day long but it's not china that has created the situation it's us so you need to take your concern to your politicians and tell them let's go back to a protective trade policy a protectionist trade policy like we had from the george washington a ministration to the ronald reagan administration. next up a message we received on our rant line from a viewer in illinois. i just want to say it isn't funny that sirius has dropped off the political map. obama got the job done without foreign one shot sending over one soldier or spending one damn dollar and doesn't get any credit no the republicans would have us on a damn war once again it's a republican or it's democratic policies get the job done actual and point at some point that can't be made frequently enough and because there's no drama around it it doesn't get made very often excellent point thanks for calling assuri

of programming infotainment to drive profits from there we live in a disastrous trade policies like nafta the debbie t.e.o. return to a kind of protectionist tariff based trade policies the built this country and our middle class from the george washington and ministration until ronald reagan begin taking them apart and the medicare eligibility age to be lowered to the moment of birth giving us a national single payer health care system over night. when this is accomplished america will reflect a twenty first century version of the ideals and visions of our founders if it takes the secession of blue america to achieve all this then so be it it's time to let small minded bigots go back to their plantation style economies let them run their states like third world countries meanwhile the rest of us can get started filling the dreams and visions that our founding fathers had for the general welfare and a more perfect union of these remaining united states. that's the way it is tonight thursday november twenty first two thousand and thirteen don't forget tom's new book the crash of twenty six

deficit to contend with they've been dealt plethora of downgrades and there's even talk as well about nafta gas which is the equivalent of rosters gas promise. exxon mobil from the u.s. there staple company could be purchased by a buyer foreign buyers that's how delicate the situation is and that's exactly why they've had to readdress the situation. europe just doesn't know what to do with its fracking is called between the public dead set against show gas extraction and an industry hell bent on it explore options that are left to brussels but it's coming our way shortly here in r.t. . the first report from british m.p.'s has concluded that saudi arabia's notoriously bad human rights record is no reason to stop selling billions of dollars in weapons to the kingdom campaigners have accused the government of pandering to despotic regimes in return for profit or smith has more on the controversy of the report. it points out the ethical dilemma of the u.k. having this close relationship with bahrain and saudi arabia who obviously have such poor human rights records but it is the most important

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those ties as well it just gives you the impression of how bad it is there's even talk as well about nafta gas which is the equivalent of russia's gas probable. exxon mobil's in the us best staple company could be purchased by a bar form that's how delicate the situation is and that's exactly why they've had to really address the situation and have a why did look at it and say can we afford this deal evidently not. a lot of problems to decided to do you think you very much indeed for that appreciate it. now when racist quotes when the votes were paulson one man who won reelection on promises to build a truly true city with a few arms and christmas trees as possible. to where an island passes a law to kick out genetically modified food companies will look at how the anti drug movement is spreading internationally. russia and turkey is attempts to talk about how to do more business could be affected by their strong differences on middle east politics the turkish prime minister is making the team approach in st petersburg right now with say were expected to be one of the most contentious topi

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are complicit this country is complicit in our trade deals with driving the economic race the bottom nafta lowered manufacturing wages in mexico not just in this country in mexico so the only ones who benefit from these giant trade deals are the elites and all the countries we're told i mean it be different if the negotiators were as concerned about child labor as they are about intellectual property rights they worry all day long about intellectual property rights nobody gives a. rat's tail about a thirteen year old working for eleven days in malaysia. and in a clothing factory he would you feel threatened by this kind of i mean if this deal passes this is going to be a huge power grab by global multinational corporations that the expense of individual sovereignty around the world there's about trouble it does trouble me but. i don't want to hold the baby out with the bathwater here there are some i'm very troubled about the way this is being negotiated in secret i think there are some issues that we need to talk about in terms of intellectual property but at the end of the day free trade

went up for whatever value that had turned around and brought in the hundred ninety six telecom act nafta ended welfare as we knew it you know basically does help to began the decimation the real decimation of the safety net in this country began the real consolidation of the media in this country began the real shipping overseas of american jobs in this country and so great his numbers were up he was the best republican president we ever had was his numbers were and obama's numbers are about as relevant in the same way what policies are is he actually trying to implement that we can look at the window when he had both houses of congress where and we get in i have these are this ok chad point you had to have some point don at some point down we're going to we're going to let me speak but this is we're number zero. the homeowner to country is throw the bums out and particularly the republicans and you twenty four see here's an opportunity need to reset this whole political paradigm with brewing of the congress as opposed to being so red and making the situation that policy can actually sta

deficit to contend with they've been dealt plethora of downgrades and there's even talk as well about nafta gas which is the equivalent of russia's gas problem or if there's any exxon mobile from the us there staple company could be purchased by a bar foreign buyers that's how delicate the situation is and that's exactly why they've had to really address the situation. this is going to be and still to come the sun rises on the ark six most of the greenpeace activists that took part in september or riga sold are granted bail in russia only one is still awaiting his fate while another world state attained until february. and also coming out of europe just doesn't know what to do with its calls between a public dead set against shale gas extraction and industry hell bent on it explore the options that are left to brussels. the diplomatic walls between the leaders of russia and turkey is in full swing as they meet in st petersburg and need to have a lead official the sideline discussions are expected to be the most hated with syria their biggest concern obviously is a conference over is followi

what i sat with the nafta and travel editor i ask where the ied techniques came from he told his 50 year-old they make me one. they just no hope but -- they just know how but syria or libya did not have that background banal a kid in united states in 48 hours can pull together a middle that is now the dominant document that people downloading repeatedly it is out there as a key element how people operate in syria. not to be labored up point but to understand not only do we need to be engaged with the urban environment because we have been distracted of 10 years that will not be in the future norm but in that time it has changed and is dramatically more connected than it was. so the topic that i end on how to understand the urban environment under stress producing violence in and this will be happening across the planet. some marks was a social scientist looking at european cities cities, berlin, london, were experiencing many of the same things of coastal cities today. we look at lack of government services the of communities and people getting alienated that they need to access and how that

the deflation that comes from a tight-fisted congress and from free trade, like the consequences of nafta, which allow our companies to pay less and less for labor and our goods cost less and less. sure, inflation will be bad. since there's no evidence right now we need to be worried about it, i'm not going to worry about a phantom. we have plenty of slack in the system, not tightness. do you mind if we wait until we get a couple of months worth of data that actually shows inflation may be a problem sometime down the road before we start worrying it's about to happen now? let's not forget the money management imperative, so you understand behind the scenes. even if you think i'm wrong about inflation, even if you believe what the fed is doing will end badly, and what we're ultimately going to be is in a heap of trouble from these collateral positives i mentioned, let me remind you that need to catch up to the averages is forcing those managers into the market, not out of it. meanwhile, the supply of stock normally should be growing as we go up, but it's actually dwindling, as winning mana

if it follows the standard deal of all the previous deals they've done, let's look at nafta.t was the truth? let's look at the trade deal with china. who said what and what's the truth? we're having 300 and $400 billion trade deficit with china. now we're going to vietnam? do you think we can compete with the vietnamese worker? let's look at what happened in south korea. how much has the trade deficit blown up since we did the deal with south korea? >> why is the obama administration doing this? is labor getting thrown under the bus on this? >> ed, i think there's been for a long time this fallacy in washington that these trade deals create exports. they do create exports. if you look at net exports versus imports, we're continuing to have a deficit. this is driven by the same wall street gang that had driven us over the cliff. with the lowest environmental standards, the lowest wages, the lowest lay bar standards. and they play labor arbitrage. we're predicting that mexico is going to produce 50% of the cars sold in north america in a few more years. the chinese have said th

since nafta passed in 1994, president bush and clinton and now obama says u.s. exports will grow.d 5 million manufacturing jobs have been lost and over 60,000 factories have been closed. it doesn't add up. instead of prioritizing u.s. workers' rights, living wages, standards, and environmental standards, as a whole they are asking congress give us the stamp of approval on the tpp. we're being forced to choose between cutting pay or exporting our jobs to lower wage nations. the standard of living in america will go down if this big trade deal goes through. i just thought i'd mention it to the democrats, if they're paying attention to this. democrats in congress need to tell the president they oppose the tpp. i don't know how the democrats can go home and say that they are for the middle class and they're for workers and they're for working families and then give a stamp of approval on something like this. this cuts to the guts and the heart and soul of our economy. we will never rebuild the middle class in this country if we rubber stamp deals like this. larry cohen joins me tonigh