opponents call it nafta on steroids and like nafta 20 years ago president obama could have just as hard a time getting a new far reaching trade treaty in congress. let's go to mike viqueira. he joins us from the white house. mike, listen, there are, you know, this is playing out in constituencies across america as if the ink is still wet in nafta. >> i have to tell you i'm amazed having witnessed and covered the nafta debate in the signing ceremony in the east room of this building behind me 20 years ago the debate echos word for word from 20 years ago, and it does not bode well for an agreement this congress, this election year. harry reid and the senate said he doesn't want to do it. he doesn't want to grant it. look, the core constituency said any trade pact he wants to put on the table will create downward trends on wages and it may face a more difficult time than nafta did 20 years ago. i got to believe you're right and almost a guarantee when you consider the fact that labor and core democratic constituencies are dead set against it. they say everything that they were told in orde

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let's focus on nafta here. what was the goal of nafta? was it achieved?the public objective was to create an integrated north american market for a good -- for goods and capital and labor. subtext was to create a market that companies could use to minimize the cost of and increase their control over the labor markets in north america. that has been the objective outcome. what has happened is -- in is the, we have seen power of companies to move production to mexico has allowed them to put downward pressure on wages. and has not helped workers in mexico and canada. host: what do you think the goals were and have they been achieved? guest: we have different views. we have discussed this over the last two years. the principal goal was the threeation of the economies, canada, united states, and mexico. we are competing with asia and other parts of the world. increaseocess to incomes in all three countries. objective.e big there is also a political .bjective if you go back to the story of mexico in the 1960's and 70's, it was a one-party state. it was a countr

be promoted through nafta.t through 2004, the government's own data was a million jobs lost due to nafta. it was going to increase trade. yes, it might increase exports, but we have huge trade deficits with countries we have these trade agreements with, and we have seen a net loss of jobs, and most of those -- many have been in the manufacturing sector. they have been replaced by service sector jobs that do not have benefits. there has been an overall depression on u.s. wages because -- due to these types of agreements economists across the idealogical spectrum agree that these types of trade agreements have contributed to income inequality in the us. you expand trade but for whom? >> josh why don't you jump in on this. what makes you optimistic on the tpp front. >> i think the claim that nafta has lead to job loss, the data shows that is simply not correct. i want to jump in quickly on the environment bid and then we can talk a bit more broodly. we have to consider if we're talking about the u.s. or the [ inau

bush and bill clinton that nafta would quote create a giant sucking sound as jobs left the u.s. manufacturing world for mexico here's how he put it. in your factor south the border area dollar an hour for labor our young twenty five that's assume you've been in business for a long time you got about three or four pay a dollar an hour for your labor. i have no healthcare that's the most expensive single album i can have cars have no environmental controls no pollution controls and no retirement. if you don't care about anything but my good money there will be a general sucking sound going south so try and seconds on a couple of those one thousand nine hundred you know i'm very old ok twenty years later some economists talk of the hundreds of thousands of jobs lost and downward pressure on us wages at the same time other economists talk about lower prices that have resulted from competition and the canadian embassy in the united states once commissioned a study which showed seven point one million american jobs supported by a trade with canada ed what about the giant sucking sound

i want to pick up quickly on the nafta comments, on one hand nafta has been something that has been veryfor mexico's economy, they would argue, over the last 20 years. the united states, and you heard president obama himself, it's the most critical i've heard him of nafta, frankly, in six years. again, he didn't say it by name. but i tell you, it is exactly what a lot of people in the middle of america feel that nafta did, which was it essentially drained -- or it sped up the outsourcing of manufacturing jobs. >> yeah, on the other hand, you know, increase in trade has happened at a dizzying speed since nafta. i mean, more than 500% increase in trade between mexico and the united states. and so, a lot of the products that are indeed made here -- for example, just out of toluca, there's a chrysler factory. there are nestle chocolate factories in toluca, which the president nieto's hometown, so a lot of foreign-based companies are in mexico, but they're selling products back to the united states. we just have to see what the future brings, and tpp is key for any future growth, and the pres

you know triple quadruple rates on here just took twenty years now nafta has increased trade between canada the u.s. and mexico as a sane man in one thousand nine hundred three before now after the u.s. export of one point one hundred fifty four billion dollars to mexico and canada and imported one hundred seventy four. billion by two thousand and six fifty percent of mexico's exports and forty five percent of its import wages with the u.s. and forty five percent of its imports were with us not wages just their imports twenty twelve the u.s. export two hundred ninety two billion lots of the numbers there two hundred ninety billion dollars that imported three hundred twenty four billion to canada alone total us now to trade is over one trillion dollars ed the u.s. is exporting grain and poultry now to mexico and the poultry lobby is very excited about nafta during this trade is good is it not so i think that the whole thing about poultry and grain that's exactly the problem you know because they had a little card saying you know we the united states with the normans farm subsidies can

you're saying this pipeline could be built under nafta. our audience tonight. >> that horse left the barn in nafta a lot of years ago. the only reason the president and the secretary of state are involved in this is because it is a pipeline that crosses the international border. the keystone pipeline is already permitted in other states. the little part we need washington d.c. to make a decision on is that one foot or one mile that crosses the international border. transcanada has already decided where that boundary is going to be. nine miles east of port of morgan. it's a port that's open for commerce back and forth. transcanada could bring that pipeline to that border and run some trucks across the board and pump it back into the pipeline and ship it out. it only cost them $100 million to build this facility on both sides of the border. they don't need washington, d.c. to give them anything. >> this whole situation with tar sands oil could end up in a pipeline without any decision by the president, correct? >> absolutely. in fact, let's

labor, nafta, the worst fears of nafta proved true for labor in the industrial midwest. why do you -- what do you say to them that says tpp and the eu deal won't do the same thing? >> first of all, chuck, thanks for having us both on. i would say, look was we did in this obama administration when we came in in 2008, and one of the reasons i was privileged and honored that the president asked me to take on this trade portfolio is that, frankly, as a democrat from the state like texas, in which trade is essential to our economy, and we see the benefits of it, i didn't want trade to become such a toxic word in our party. and one of the things i did was i reached out to labor immediately. and we engaged them. and i made a conscious decision, as u.s. trade rep, to not just spend my time in geneva and china and india and around the world. but i went to detroit. and i went to maine. and i went to carolina. and i went to pittsburgh. and what i heard from many of them was the frustration that they understood the big pekt, the u.s. has to be engaged, but they felt like no one was

mike, i'm reminded of the fact that it's the nafta anniversary welcome in some quarters and not so inothers. >> the arguments are playing out and those who opposed nafta back then are unconvinced that it was a good thing. there are plenty of sticking points to go around. this is a previously scheduled, they do it every year annual summit for the leaders of the united states, canada and mexico. they talk about sticking points there, the keystone pipeline, the canadian prime minister pushing hard for that. and the united states stalled in congress and the mexican president very interested in the fate that have legislation. tony, this was previously scheduled and so often happens with these international summits, the deterioration of the violence and tragedy that we've seen overnight in ukraine. we've just heard from the senior state department officials, they called it a glimmer of hope, but not too many eggs being put in that basket. vice president biden on the phone with president viktor yanukovych, and they were trying to oust and route those protesters in that central square in kiev

not simply does not support the notion that to get exports you have sweeping non trade pacts like nafta or the t.p. i mean it kind of almost helps the argument for actual free trade opposed to free trade agreement you don't have that whatever side you stand on it's just not helping any of the many of the terms and services you're anti-thetical to free trade such as the pharmaceutical corporations that are trying to take in as revealed by a leak in november of monopoly patent protections that would restrict trade in medicines take generics off the shelves and try to increase the cost of medicines and all to be countries so it's really bizarre that they can still talk all this free trade it's just totally misleading now where does congress currently stand on fast tracking and thankfully given the record we've actually seen twenty years of nafta as damage we've seen damage from you know the court career deal has actually seen exports fall just not even not growth as fast but completely fall so we've seen a damaging record of these deals and that has meant both the public and congress has c

i like calling this one the southern hemisphere asian free trade agreement so i can say we've got nafta capped and now they want to give the shaft so i said that you know as your allies marvel at how they are today i don't know who i stole it from but you know somebody had an army what do you think is the most important thing that people need to know about schefter well i think the whole idea is you're right if this is about a deal for big corporations just duck for us and you're doing such different types of economies i mean vietnam is involved in this that the average wage in vietnam is twenty eight cents a day a day i day where do you think the corporations are going to do what they're going to smell i hate i can move i can close my plant down in america i can build a plant in or have somebody build a plant in vietnam and i'll go buy production there are one hundred of them produce and will sell the thing here and will lay off all the americans one idea that's what they're thinking about right now and other things like new zealand right now new zealand right now tozer buddy we only w

currently stand on fast tracking and thankfully given the record we've actually seen twenty years of nafta as damage we've seen damage from you know the court career deal has actually seen exports fall just not even not growth as fast but completely fall so we've seen damaging record of these deals and that has meant both the public and congress has come out against the idea that we should fast track these deals to congress for those not familiar with fast track is despite what the constitution says which is that congress can have it school. so i thought of a trade policy that the president executive branch can unilaterally go sheet and sign that these paths locking in their contents before sending it to congress for an expedited no one moment limited to be vote and these are again sweeping deals that implicate many domestic policies that most citizens and members of congress care about thankfully because of the record most against it. house minority leader nancy pelosi stating her opposition you know senate majority leader harry reid saying his opposition that's a good most democrats have

some jobs were lost with nafta, but many others for created.he jobs that were created our jobs and sustainable industries. we think this is been a success. >> there is also this -- the war on drugs. we have had stories recently of some beheadings, which is not a new story. we have had stories of vigilante groups as they are called in association with police attacking drug cartels. where do you stand, and how is your policy different from the previous president? >> first of all, security is a priority. and will continue to be. this is accomplished problem that mexico faces and it needs to have a consistent strategy. the trends are are favorable. the homicide rate since the administration came in is down 16%. and there are some cities where violence reached a peak, monterrey, are now much more secure than they were two years ago. there are some encouraging trends, but we have challenges in specific regions of the country, that is grabbing headlines he stay. in one state, there is a challenge to the rule of law. and the president took bold steps t

topping the agenda, expanding nafta. the three will iron out differences over immigration, border violence and drugs. >> four people were killed in thailand in clashes between police and civilians. the protestors are demanding the resignation of the country's prime minister, calling her corrupt. >> 25 have been killed in the deadliest fighting since protests erupted in ukraine. the u.s. calling on ukraine's president to exercise restraint with protestors. jennifer, you were there when the protestors began their demonstrations. what has changed? >> it was the clash that everyone hoped would not happen, brutal fighting here all day yesterday and overnight. this is the square. it is quiet here. there is a makeshift hospital. 150 protestors, some very seriously wounded there, because they're too frightened to go to official hospitals. independence square the site of many protests is really just a few hundred yards that way down the hill, still very tense this morning. people bryceing for another attack by the police. half of

it is millions of jobs lost as a result of nafta, chuck.olks in the industrial midwest, they feel that way and they feel that way. they feel like that's what began the -- >> the slide. >> -- disintegration of some of these manufacturing towns. >> right. >> a debate that will continue. congresswoman de laura, thank you. >> thank you. >>> developing now, sandra fluck looking to run for congress . >>> last night's debate. almost like the entire fight for 2014 got packed into one single race. >>> still to come, crafting a message, taking a swipe at american beers, my takeaway on american small breweries. >>> white house soup of the day, minestrone chicken sausage. minestrone already implies you're throwing in the kitchen sink. you don't need to add the chicken and sausage. designed for men's health concerns as we age. with 7 antioxidants to support cell health. one a day men's 50+. with 7 antioxidants to support cell health. if yand you're talking toevere rheuyour rheumatologistike me, about trying or adding a biologic. this is humira, adalimum

will she come out against nafta? joan?he is going to stay closer to the center and not be that radically anti-trade. your thoughts. >> now it's ancient history, right? during the 2008 campaign, she was open to talking about modifications to nafta. at the you know, she was very close to labor unions. so i really -- i don't know what she said about the new agreements. i don't know where she stands yet. but i think, you know, in terms of matt, i want to say one nice thing about the democratic leadership council and the third way style of politics. i think in the '80s and '90s they brought an approach to the democratic party that said look, you guys, you have to be about growth. you have to be about economic growth. you can't only be about distribution, only about raising tax. i think that was positive. >> okay. >> but that was then and this is now. we really do need a new -- our future looking people are going to be people who are dealing with income inequality. and are wondering whether our tax code is really -- can really d

because of nafta.t is concern that the party might be moderating, some more liberal elements reflects through names warren and mallory. they are going to let their -- this is note a slamdunk, and into that void enters vice president. >> true, you had quote at beginning of biden saying he knows how to pronounce union, the second part is him saying a lot of politicians talk about workers be he doesn't talk about workers he talks about union, h is doing that he knows why his bread is buttered, he know he will serve this about 11 hers of th11% of the work force and giveim special treatment, he knows they will politically come out and support him, i first heard to this story, i heard that biden was talking about uaw contributing to his success, i wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt, and talking about growing up in middle class, but tongue in cheek, i thought maybe political support, guess what? he was. if nothing else give him credidi for being honest 9. neil: i heard, a can pronounce union, i thoug

this year marks the 20th anniversary of nafta, the free-trade agreement between the u.s., canada and mexico. i am pleased to have louis videgaray at this table, welcome. >> thank you, it is an honor to be here, thank you. >> rose: you told me a wonderful story which i share even though it is a little flattering to me. when you were at m.i.t. working on your ph.d, that our show on pbs was a companion for dinner because you were living at that time alone in a very small apartment. and it brought a little bit of the world. >> that is correct. charlie, thank you now for that because you were a great companion for those lonely years back at m.i.t.. >> rose: thank you. >> particularly in the winter. >> rose: yes, in-- indeed. you have had an interesting life from an academic to an investment banking. to now someone said the president has four important advisors, you, you, you and you. and you went to him, in the state of mexico, and worked with him there. tell me about his and your vision to be mutions you could wlingz chabt yoour xz thar guling -- thank you again, i think this is a time f

can these huge gains be attributed to nafta? >> i think it would be bold to attribute them solely so nafta, but it has played a very fundamental role. i think the trade has proven both can be lifted on both sides of the water that a rising tide will lift boats in america. look at the numbers again of what mexican-united states trade on a dilly basis, $1.2 billion, north american trade is around a trillion dollars. canada and mexico, the first and second buyers are u.s. exports, and more importantly, what i think is the best and most important achievement of and a half mistake is the creation of a logistics platform that has integrated supply and production trains. nowhere else in the world have you seen this developing. >> there was a time in fact we had a story on it about a week ago where a man stood on the mex can he be u.s. border and in order for our crew to interview him, he had to go all the way around the border in a car. it took an hour when in fact they were standing face-to-face. there was a time when the borders were

vu allike it is dÉjÀ over again. , nafta was anra issue. clinton said he was going to fix nafta.s against it when bush was for it. he was going to fix nafta. what did he do to fix it? that is my question. it didn't convicts gephardt and a majority of democrats who voted for it. that is something we hear from our viewers. is it nafta? guest: host i hope so. it was good for canada. we have an integrated north american economy. did he fix it? there was really nothing to fix. a major complaint from unions was that it would exacerbate labor problems or investment would take advantage of wage disparity between the united states and mexico. the side agreements were negotiated by mickey kantor to require that mexico and the united states and canada honor the laws they have on the books with respect to labor and the environment. those kinds of standards are within trade agreements. there is movement to make them as rigorous as possible. when the democrats took over reopened language and required these provisions be inserted into the agreements. that is where we are now. i think it is some

>> reporter: nafta. happy anniversary nafta. a lot of people think it's created a great deal of prosperity, some people hate it as much as they hated it 20 years ago. we've got a good discussion on that. >> coming up on al jazeera america. more u.s. troops than ever before are using food stamps to help feed their families. we'll look at the growing trend and what's causing it. also a 84-year-old nun and two activists have been sentenced for breaking int in to a nuclear plant. their punishment next. >>> there is the picture, more updates throughout this hour. so many money stories sound complicated. but don't worry. i'm here to take the fear out of finance. every night on my show i break down the confusing financial speak and make it real. is. >> we have just learned that a judge has sentenced an elderly nun convicted o. they broke into the national security complex in oakridge, tennessee, in 2012. the 84-year-old sister admitted to spray painting the peace logan and hammering on the walls of the facility. she has condemned nucle

no one in the mainstream media talking about first we got the north american free trade agreement nafta then we get the central american free trade agreement katha and now we're about to get. the southern hemisphere and asia free trade agreement shaft but the powers that be don't call it shafter they call it the trans-pacific partnership or t p p if approved the t.p.t. would create a whole new set of rules regulating the economies of twelve countries in four different continents border in the pacific ocean negotiations have been conducted entirely in secret with the help of six hundred or so corporations but over the past few months a series of leaks has shed some light on we're just what the t p p actually is all about although its supporters call it a free trade deal a t p p isn't as much about trade as it is about empowering massive transnational corporations at the expense of we the people and the governments that represent us leaks chapters of the deals intellectual property and environmental chapters show that it would give big pharmaceutical companies virtually virtual monopoly p

p is than nafta. the bottom line is it isn't a stronger agreement.t's just as bad, if not worse than past agreements, including nafta. here's the bottom line -- you have to believe the pitch man. hey, look, mike rowe, great guy, no question about it, but does he really believe that walmart is in it for american jobs and manufacturing? you mean that walmart is going to go out and they're going to seek out american factories to make sure that product gets on the shelves so they can have low prices? no, it doesn't work that way. our standard of living in this country has been diminished because we've had lousy trade greats. this idea of reinvigorating the american economic and by the way the largest importer is going to make a commitment to american manufacturing? wow, get your phones out. tonight's question -- can you be for american job and the tpp? a for y, b for now. you can always go to the blog on msnbc.com. we'll bring you the results at the end of the show. >>> we're joined tonight to talk about this, and lori great to have you with us. this is

, i've been in these folks -- and these folks who say the economy is recovering now, they think naftazed city in ohio is decimated. >> right. the thing is, you know, if we don't write the rules in asia, china writes the rules in asia. we don't have virtually any trade deals in asia, and we're just getting killed there. we need something. >> adam, do you think it's going to be tabled? is this a healthy debate? >> it's a healthy debate, and do we prioritize corporate interests or regular people. i come down on the side of regular people. >> me, too. >> let me tell you, one of the most formative political years was sitting this far away from dan pfeiffer in the white house communications director in south dakota, 2002. most democrats lost the re-elections, working for a senator tim johnson in a red state. the reason we won that year was because culturally conservative farmers and ranchers voted for our senator because he was against nafta, and because he was sticking up for social security and won on economic populism issues. my big lesson, especially in red states, democrats need to emb

we have much more than nafta. since world war ii we've got years of trade. and the grade agreements are with europe and they're not middle age countries and across the pacific with asia. these are trade agreements we have six or seven years of pretty guaranteed growth out of these agreements. they've destroyed global paws parity for this time. i mentioned in my column today since 1970 the number of people in this world making a dollar a day has declined by 80%. the greatest decline in global poverty in human history. and why is that? because of global trade. every president of every party has traditionally been a proponent of trade or this one is and i think there's a strong evidence its growth agenda. and so i understand the political fears about it but i don't think there's merit. i do think when the congressional leaders are bucking their own president, they're doing some harm for political reasons. >> woodruff: what do you think. >> i don't, i mean i understand very much where pelosi and senator reid are. on this broadcast it's called high productivity p

the company's move was the result of the 1994 free trade agreement or nafta. them access to cheaper labor but it also cost ohio thousands of jobs. still, the u.s. is now looking to negotiate two more massive trade deals. >> we need to work together to protect our workers, proact our environment -- protect our environment and open the market to new goods saying, "made in the as you." >> other is the transpacific partnership, involves countries in the asia pacific region. but critics argue the details of the agreement have been kept from the public and congress. suspicious of lawmakers approval of the deals quickly. the u.s. needs to learn from the trade agreements already in place like nafta. >> the workers in mexico not able to afford a car based on the wages they make and the workers here, out of work. who wins in that deal? the outsourcer, the transnational. >> faith agrees, given it's accomplished little in recent years. >> they captain sit down and negotiate a budget and we go on a government shutdown that costs us billions of dollars and they are sitting

we agree that there is enormous potential to build on the success of nafta a new ways.ost notably, through the transpacific partnership. we are focused on bringing those negotiations to a successful conclusion. developing trade is one of the keys to job creation. it is the key to economic vitality and it is the key to long-term prosperity, not just for the canadian people, but for all of our people. that is why our government will continue to work to expand trade with our partners in north america, the asia-pacific region, and around the world. just as we did last year when we expanded our access across the atlantic through the conclusion of the canada-european union comprehensive economic trade agreement. in our meetings today, residents pena nieto, obama and i discussed a range of topics already discussed by my colleagues including the state of the global economy, international security and north american competitiveness. we share a genuine enthusiasm for closer collaboration. the presidents's and i will continue to work together to address the challenges of the 21st

we had a trade surplus with mexico before nafta. we don't have a stagnating economy for working people by accident, we have it buzz because of a set of decisions around taxation, trade, collective bargains and education and training that put us on the foot we are on. and i want to make this economy work for small business, middle class people, professionals and certainlyly workers >> you have become a champion of the left. is this a platform to higher aspirations or higher office? >> no. i am not saying i will not never run for hire office. but this isn't a platform to extend the aspiration. i don't have ambition or aspiration higher than the one i hold because i don't see another one higher. i represent the people of the fifth district and i don't know if there is a better job than the one i hold right now. i mean that seriously. i am ambition for a policy agenda but not for personal elevation. i am ambitious for the country being a place where there is a reliable path to economic security for everyone. and for the few people who a

. >> meanwhile, 20 years after nafta was signed, the white house is supporting a broader trade agreementving a dozen nations around the pacific rim. a day after mr. obama showcased it in his state of the union address, harry reid put it on ice. >> everyone would be well advised just to not push this right now. >> reid doesn't want democrats to take a vote that may weaken organized labor support before the fall election. the white house downplays differences on the issue, but it doesn't deny them. >> and the differing opinions on these matters are not new, and the fact there are differing opinions in both parties is not new. >> aides traveling with the president here say they learned a lot from nafta about how to protect american jobs in a new trade agreement. but they won't say if they'll try to convince skeptical democrats of that before november. >> wendell, traveling with the president in mexico, thank you. >>> stocks were down today. the dow lost 90. the s & p dropped 12. the nasdaq was off 35. >>> while much of the eastern half of the country is experiencing a wet, cold winter, out

all i heard from lawmakers is this is nafta on steroids.are accumissuming from talkid looking at language it has a lot of the same bad provisions that have cost american jobs. and i know that -- i think more of this is about how we compete with china and that region than anything else. when it gets to the particulars around environmental regulations, labor regulations, chapters, a lot of this is stuff we have seen before and it has been bad for jobs in america and really bad for the middle class. >> that speech was just generic bs. you got to get down -- what did you think? am i mischaracterizing it? >> well, i believe in trade. you believe in trade. we believe in fair trade, not this free trade that is in these past trade deals. so on the surface level he said a lot that didn't really say anything. the problem is, ed, the same meetings we are having as members of congress is kind of like that speech. i got to tell you, unless they crank up their game they know they are in trouble. when they treat us that we are not partners but adversaries

we're celebrating the 20th anniversary of nafta, if one can celebrate such an anniversary.en where we are with immigration reform, which is a priority for not just this administration, but the mexican government and how dismal the prospects look for reform coming out of congress, what is the attitude of the mexican government to the intransigents in the united states at this point? >> there are so many huge issues effecting mexico. they're effecting mexico because it shares a border with the united states of america. by the way, i'm standing right now in the city which is going to host the summit tomorrow right behind me. the foreign minister of mexico said that definitely the xl pipeline is going to be brought up by the mexicans in this meeting tomorrow. interesting, because the white house doesn't say they're going to be bringing new information or any new proposals or any new future announcement on the xl pipeline here in this meeting, but the mexicans want to talk about it. they have a lot of issues. the income inequality that we're talking a lot about in the united sta

america has accumulated since nafta $11 trillion of trade deficits.f trade deficits were so good, why doesn't germany want one or france or india or china? we need to take away the incentives. the guy from weather tech proved it can be done. we have to bring those jobs done and bring people back to work and stimulate the economy. >> here's what david mcneal had to say about outsourcing. they have been forced to build factories overseas to save 50 cents on a tape measure. to these ruthless buyers, it's all about the money. we're about human rights, animal rights, and environmental costs to the planet. not to mention the cost of exporting jobs, but an entire factory. >> this guy is a patriot. that's what he is. he's made a good living in america and he realizes what it means and the president talked about this in his state of the union address about citizenship and how the citizenry is stepping up in the business community. a new poll shows 60% of americans think that we should be tough when it comes to trade policies with china and japan to stop unfair