law and nafta. why don't you tell us what the value of across-the-board certainty would mean for you and your business. ms. barnett: thank you for the question. i export my goods as well as import supplies and i would like to not have to worry about my items crossing the border. i want my items to get to my customers as fast as possible because they expect that. some of my items are lower-priced and some of them are quite higher-priced, and it would be valuable to me to have my customers not have to pay so much extra taxes. in terms of the u.s. the minimus, because i do import a lot of my stones, i would like to not have to worry about having to pay extra taxes because it does cut into my bottom line, and sense i am a full proprietor, every dollar counts. certainty is important. i just make jewelry, i don't want to have to worry about uncertain provisions and laws. >> on this committee, there is strong support for that kind of certainty you are talking about. you have really laid the case out well.

lot and nafta. why don't you tell us what the across-the-board certainty would mean for you and your business? >> thank you for that question. i export my goods, as well as import supplies. i would like to not have to worry about my items crossing the border. i want my items to get to my customers as fast as possible because they expect that. some of my items are lower priced and some of them are higher-priced. it would be valuable to me to have my customers not have to pay so much extra taxes, in since i doe u.s. -- import a lot of my stones, i would like to not have to worry about paying extra taxes because it does cut into my bottom line. i am a full proprietor, every dollar counts. certainty is important because i just make jewelry. i don't want to have to worry about uncertain provisions and laws. >> >> good. and you should know that on this committee there is strong support for the kind of certainty you are talking about, and you have really made the case very well. mr. wessel, i want to turn

it looks a lot like nafta. if you focus on the environmental side which i tend to, this is really pretty bleak. in this day and age, it does not even mention climate change. knn write an agreement in this environment and not address the environmental issues and not mention it. second, it singles out the industries to protect so that they remain able to go bully and intimidate small countries that may try to regulate their pollution which is, i think, think, really unnecessary and inappropriate. i take as a signal, the area of marine plastic debris. the area is the one environmental area in which the trump administration has tried to give itself some degree of environmental credibility. it has been very bipartisan. after it is dumped into the oceans by other countries as a tremendous problem. without the and thousands of tons of garbage comes to us. on this issue, they are putting their best foot forward. this is how they will try to make up for the environmental disaster for what the trump administration is. on

old nafta, like it did to michigan. have democrats be party to a new nafta. david: there is a point of view, particularly in michigan, i am not sure nafta took the jobs away. why have we gotten into this position in this country where trade is not a four letter word? fred: i think partly what happens is when we talk like -- talk about a place like michigan or ohio, some of those states had a big impact when we signed nafta. a number of manufacturing jobs moved offshore. what we failed to do is have a remedy for people who are losing their jobs. and we talk about lifelong learning, it falls on deaf ears. i like the term lifelong readiness, you have to be ready for change. i think the political elites midst led -- misled a lot of people. yes, there will -- there were winners and losers. we did not take care of the losers. david: we talked to general motors about how many people are employed in mexico as opposed to the u.s. a lot of the jobs i believe got lost to automation. fred: a lot got lost to automation. we were not

the new nafta is simply not enforceable. in particular, mexico has yet to demonstrate that it has the resources and infrastructure to follow through on its promised reforms, and trade without enforcement is a windfall for corporations and a disaster for workers, but if mexico cannot ensure workers' ability to bargain higher wages through unions, the entire deal is a nonstarter. that is why i am announcing today that i will be leading a on wednesday u.s. to meet personally with president lopez obrador. he has been a friend of the labor movement and i believe he is acting in good faith. i want to share those concerns directly. we need him to show us how mexico will guarantee workers rights to raise wages through democratic unions. , workingoesn't happen people across north america will continue to suffer. at this point i think it has been clear that without the support of the labor movement in the united states, mexico, and canada, the new nafta will meet the same fate as tpp. it is clear that while we cannot fix the rules if

. >> [inaudible] nafta? dwt * nafta -- president trump: nafta is one of the worst trade deals in the history of tornado dreels. if you look at what happened. millions of jobs gone and factories closed. it was a one-way street. it's up to nancy pelosi if she puts it to a vote she'll get overwhelming bipartisan support. i would imagine she would put it up. it would be totally bipartisan which is good for the democrats and the republicans. the unions like it. the unions hated nafta, but they love the usmca. the farmers love it. especially the american farmers. our farmers love it more than the other two sides. but they have to put it up for a vote. it's political season if you haven't noticed so they have to put it up for a vote. >> [inaudible] president trump: at some point if she wanted to. i haven't. i have been talking to a lot of people. i am happy with mike pence. i think mike pence has been an outstanding vp. i think that he's been incredible in terms of the love that a lot of people, especially if you l

the unions hated nafta but they love the usmca. the farmers love it. especially the american farmers. our farmers love it more than the other two sides. they love it. a lot of good things going. we have to see that for it to be up for a vote. it is political season, so they have to put it up for a vote. >> [indiscernible] president trump: at some point, if she wanted to. i really haven't. i have been talking to a lot of people. i am very happy with mike pence. i think mike pence has been an outstanding v.p. i think he has been incredible in terms of the love that a lot of people, especially if you look at the evangelicals and so many others, they really have a great respect for our vice president, and so do i, and so do most people. i would not be thinking about that. a lot ofpeople -- people, and amazingly, and they have brought a lot of different names up. at some point i will let you know. that is standard. everybody thought that president obama was going to change biden. they all thought and a second term he would change him. everybody thought it.

>> you have to start with bill clinton and nafta., workers rights, human threats, environmental principles. if there was a destructive undermining of a democratic constituency once the party did not deliver on the promises to remedy some of those deficiencies. >> laura: obama said he would renegotiate. he said that, but he didn't. >> i want to say though that candidates do have an obligation to express a sense of urgency about those things that they see coming up that could present a problem for the country and climate change, national and global challenge, the potential of wider war as tulsi gabbard pointed out -- >> laura: who kept us out of more wars -- more military involvement than from? again, he's taken so many of these issues off thehe table. >> he's taken them off the table but at the same time i think -- >> laura: he wants a better relationship with russia. we can't even talk to russia anymore. that was never mentioned tonight again. mueller, trunk allusion wasn't mentioned last night and wasn't mentioned tonight. boy how t

remember when he said this about nafta? >> do you scrap nafta fix-it?would immediately call the president of mexico and the president of canada to try to amend nafta. >> it is absolutely true that nafta was a mistake. >> laura: he never did anything about it but trump did. and what about this golden oldi oldie? >> never again will the american taxpayer be held hostage by a bank that is too big to fail. >> laura: as noted in bloomberg "businessweek," two years after president barack obama vowed to eliminate the danger of financial institutions that are too big to fail, and the nation's largest banks are bigger than they were before the financial meltdown. thank god for those bailouts. then there was this classic. >> if you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor, period. if you like your health care plan, you will be able to keep your health care plan, period. no one will take it away, no matter what. >> laura: we all saw what happened and we all felt it. more doctors retired, higher out-of-pocket costs, higher deductibles and many america

in the house, and nafta, the new nafta, is ratification certainly is uncertain. maybe a 30% rate that i can put on that it's going to get r ratified at all. and he's lost on china as well >> sorry to interrupt. i know you might say it depends on who his opponent might be because there's 20 of them, but would you vote for president trump again right now in the re-election? >> no. no, i couldn't vote for him. i've got to protect my business. there's other things as republicans that maybe we appreciate, we can appreciate the supreme court. we can appreciate the down stream judges. all that is fine but we would have got the supreme court out of another republican president so i won't be voting for the president again. >> it's interesting the purdue center for agriculture had an interesting study which confused me a little bit. it suggests that 79% of farmers surveyed believe the trade war would ultimately benefit u.s. agriculture. i'm trying to understand that. do you -- there's no way you would agree with that. >> no, certainly i wouldn't agree with it. and i'm on t

it worse than nafta, worse than wg old. it was called the trans-pacific partnership and it would've been a disaster. gp p would've gutted the american auto industry. it would have been in shambles. those industries are coming back so strong. it would've gutted and destroyed the auto industry but in my first week in office, i proudly withdrew the united states from that job destroying catastrophe. [cheers and applause] and we are imposing beautiful, well-placed tariffs, money comes in, on foreign countries that workers steal our jobs and break all the rules. i'm sorry. and by the way, they have been changing and charging tariffs on us for years. we have countries that charge is 100%, 200%, 297%, in the case of canada with your foreign product. if we are not going to stand for it. i had a man, did we turn things around. and we just started. if companies don't want to pay a tariffs, i have one simple solution -- con make your product in america. it can't make your in new hampshire. zero tariffs. at zero. zero. no tariffs. [che

most economists who look at usmca see a very minor improvements in nafta.lf percent increase in the canadian dairy market. that's not going to move the needle in a way that too many people notice. >> or have a big impact. as you look at what he's gotten done in the 36 hours there, what he's been saying -- >> we don't know what's been done. particularly given the divisions among g7. last year was deemed a failure in canada. this looks more like a lot of conversations going nowhere. i've covered several meetings over the course of my career. 20 g-20 meetings. it doesn't seem like the agenda was set for directly addressing the economic problems that the global economy faces. there are nine major economies in or near recession. they haven't talked about structural ways to reform the global economy so we see greater growth across the planet and avoid the u.s. trade war taking everybody down further. >> one last question for you. we expect the holiday retail shopping season to be affected by the trade war with china. right now. what do you expect to happen? >> co

are you ready to say here and now you opposing your nafta? >> your response, sir?yes. >> i consider that a victory. >> i love your affection for me. >> we believe in redemption, joe. we believe in redemption in this party. >> i hope you are part of it. >> laura: i do not know if any of them -- how is this working for them on the trade issue? >> you have to start with bill clinton and nafta and the devoid of workers rights, human rights, environmental quality principles. there was a destructive undermining of the democratic consistency once the party did not deliver on the promises. >> laura: obama said he wouldn't renegotiate he said that. >> i want to say that candidates do have and climate change, national and global challenge, the potential of wider war, as tulsi gabbard pointed out. >> laura: who had more military involvement than trump. he's taken some of these issues off the table. >> he's taken them off the table -- >> laura: he wants a better relationship with russia but we can't talk with russia. that was mentioned tonight, mueller, trump collusion wasn't

much different mexico we're dealing with when nafta was originally passed.still have some looming concerns. i'm hopeful that we can get a deal, get, also get the china tariff situation arranged where we can get back for farmers, for their revenue from the marketplace. that is what every farmer i know wants to happen. they don't like being used as a tool of state. neil: what i'm confused, commissioner, you're well-versed on this whole issue, this was supposed to be, that is, the usmca deal, much better than the old nafta. you just seemed to imply it is not that different from the old nafta. what are the distinctions? >> no, with respect to fruits and vegetables and i think the administration is doing a great job explaining there are many gains in this agreement that would be wonderful for the country. still fresh fruits and vegetables, all the objectives are not met. we're a heavy fruit and vegetable economy in agriculture in the state of georgia. our produce remembers concerned about the same issues with labor, environmental practices, food safety, that what

i'd say nafta is one of the worst deals ever made in the history of trade deals. if you look at nafta and take a look at what it's done to our country, thousands of factories closed, millions of jobs. it's been a one-way street. and the usmca is a great deal. the unions love it. the farmers love it. everybody wants it. it's up to nancy pelosi. if she wants to put it for a vote, she's going to get overwhelming bipartisan support and i view that as a bipartisan deal. i would imagine she'd put it up. there's an easy thing to do. it would be totally bipartisan which is good for the democrat the and the republicans and everybody wants it. the unions like it. the unions hated nafta. but they love the usmca. the farmers, above all, love it. especially the american farmers. our farmers love it. more than the other two sides. they love it. so, a lot of good things going -- but we have to see, they have to put it up for a vote. you know, it's political season, if you haven't noticed, so they have to put it up for a vote. >> you talked about people coming back into the admin

the unions hated nafta. but they love the usmca. the farmers, above all, love it. especially the american farmers. our farmers love it. more than the other two sides. they love it. so a lot of good things going. but we have to see. they have to put it up for a volt. it vote. it's political season, if you haven't noticed. >> you talk about people coming back into the administration. could nikki haley come back in? >> at some point, maybe, if she wanted to. >> have you been talking to her about that? >> i haven't really. i've been talking to a lot of people. >> [ inaudible ]. >> no, i'm very happy with mike pence. i think mike pence has been an outstanding vp. i think that he's been incredible in terms of the love that a lot of people, especially if you look at the evangelicals and so many others. they really have a great respect for our vice president and so do i. and so do most people. no, i wouldn't be thinking about that. a lot of people -- a lot of people, you know, amazingly, they bring a lot of different names up. >> what are they? >> and that's, by the way, a

people want to move e rward with the usmca or new nafta, whatever way theetters go, there are majors- major issues to work through and the democrats don't seem to be budging. the uncertainty, we've tald to a lot of iowa farmers overhe last month. the thing they point out even though they are not willing to ababesint trump, they are conservatives -- robert: t yet. shawna: a couple saidhey're tired of the tweets but they are eaked out because the level of uncertainty. one thing one said to us was if chinadecides really to fully pull out of the american soybean market, go toul brazil and totally, that kind of thing, they're worried they'll never come back. why would they shift? vivian: that uncertainty comes back to the oval office, i had a story about trump's own closest advisors, including lighthizer and everybody in the white house staff, tell thoipping shift focus to the usmca anda pan trade because they felt china t wasn't goideliver before 2020 and the worried ituld have a negative impact on the economy and he wouldn't getis win. even they feel that's where they should put the egg

the new nafta deal, it's the same as the old nafta deal. there are only a few tweaks. leaders can do is say i had a great victory here and sometimes things are moving so fast that the press never dissects to it explain it. do i think it is possible that he will walk away from a tough china deal? and because he's worried it could tank the economy? i completely agree with that. we should not have been here to begin with. we should have been taking the chinese on with all of our friends and all of our allies. and to say to china, you need clean it up. if you don't clean it up, you face entire world. he didn't do it. i think it was a terrible mistake. >> he seemed to indicate that he was having second thoughts on the trade war. the white house had to jump in and clarify it. this is the white house chief economic adviser larry kudlow. >> what he was intending to say, he always has second thoughts and he actually had second thoughts about possibly a higher tariff response to china. it was not to remove the tariff. he was thinking about a higher tariff response. >> so i don't

do you get nafta passed in september?e're starting to think that there's some building momentum for nafta that's not priced into the market. maria: usmca. >> yeah. and number two, can the president act on tax cuts? he's got two avenues for that. can he do indexing capital gains unilaterally, or does he try and do a deal with democrats on the payroll tax? maria: you want to see him do the indexing. >> i do. investors don't want to unrealize their gains. if we index that capital gains basis to inflation, you are providing a tax cut that is twice the size of the 1997 or 2003 capital gains tax cut. it will unlock trillions of dollars of capital and get investment and really help with this situation. of course, the media will say, oh, this is a tax cut for the rich, but it's really about unlocking that capital, getting confidence back, making those investments which have been on the sidelines because of trade. maria: so when the congress comes back in the next couple of days, we're basically going to be all in on 2020, and you

the other thing he can do, he can push the democrats in congress to ratify the deal, the new nafta dealuld bring hundreds of millions of dollars of relief to dairy farmers in battleground states such as michigan, pennsylvania, minnesota and i believe iowa as well. >> the problem with the nafta deal, i don't believe in the politics of opposition. i think it was a mistake when mcconnell did it. i don't think you should see the democrats do it either. however, nafta, the deal that he may make with abe right now, if he's taking you back to basically neutral, i would argue that the new deal with canada, mexico and the u.s. is better for the u.s. in some ways than the old one was, but it's a close call. and it took a lot of time and a lot of political pain to get something that might be better. with abe in japan, he took those farmers back to net neutral where they were with ttp. he thought there was political gain for him in blowing something up. what he put back together wasn't that great. how does he make his case to the people that he can be better? >> what i will agree with you ais we ne

that you oppose a new nafta?> answer is yes. >> since 2001 we have cut $5 trillion worth of taxes almost all of that is going to wealthiest people in america. >> some of the more notable exchange were when mayor bill de blasio turned into narrator bill de blasio and did not talk about his own plan but to quiz biden and ask him his own questions, maria. maria: all right, hillary, thanks so much, hillary vaughn in detroit, joining me former clinton senior adviser, nbc partner mark penn, good to see you, your reaction to the debate. >> i was disappointed last night because it generated into slug fest, i walked out of there with a thousand dollar income, extra thousand if i were a woman and reparations and what did any constituency walk out with after promise after promise, they started to attack each other, i like the day before where there was real discussion between liberals and moderates as the right direction to go forward. last night i thought was way too political, biden remained standing but not winning. mari

we are replacing nafta with a brand-new usmca, that is mexico and canada. great deal.smca will create countless jobs for farmers, manufacturers all across the state. we need congress to pass the usmca immediately. we will make it a bipartisan deal. we don't even want credit. the unions benefit, the non-unions benefit, everybody benefits. it brings it back to fairness and it makes it very hard for our companies to leave our country, go to mexico or canada. we lose all of our jobs, all of our taxes, and up with empty factories and plants. that was my one rule i had to have. it will be hard on companies to do that. i have taken the toughest ever action to stand up to china's chronic trade abuses. earlier this month, the u.s. government officially labeled china for the first time ever a currency manipulator, another promise kept. while others allowed china to freely loot the u.s. economy, $500 billion a year, not million, not million, billion, with a b, we have made it clear the theft of american jobs and american wealth was over. yet today, the wall street journal editori

not true. >> [no audio] [inaudible] richard: at least he had the willingness to take on and change nafta. that was the worst agreement that ever happened, and it needed to be changed. will he get it right? we will see. we are trying to get it right because it is good for workers. >> dimitri from the financial times. >> over the summer you told your members that nancy pelosi was lockstep with you but still urge them to contact with people to measure it stayed that way. have you seen any tangible results? she is coming from some democrats who are in traditionally conservative districts who won in the last cycle to hold a vote this year on usmca the way it is now. are you convinced the democrats will stay together on this, or are you worried there will be a fracture as "into the primaries? has done athink she remarkable job of keeping together a very diverse caucus. i think the democrats will stay in lockstep on trade because it is such an important issue for working people, and they represent working people. side and thevative liberal side, they come together on that issue. 70% of the amer

worse than nafta, worse than wto. it was called the trans-pacific partnership.would have been a disaster. thewould have gutted american auto industry. it would have been in shambles. our auto industry is coming back so strong. would have destroyed the industry. office,y first week in i proudly withdrew the united states from that job destroying catastrophe. [cheers] are imposingd we beautiful, well-placed tariffs on foreign countries that cheat our workers, steal our jobs, and break all the rules. i'm sorry. by the way, they have been changing and charging tariffs on us for years. we have countries that charge us 297%, in the case of canada, with your farm products. we are not going to stand for it. man, did we turn things around. and we have just started. if companies don't want to pay a tariff, i have one simple solution -- come make your product in america. come make your product in new hampshire. zero tariffs. 0, 0. no tariffs. [applause] together we are restoring this nation's industrial might, and we are doing it with american iron, american aluminum, and

you clarify your position on nafta? >> you asked me what trump plan .ad offered last time there was a proposal that said you have to -- this was 20 some years ago. you have to make sure you provide alternatives for people who may be caught in the crossfire. that did not happen. that's a different deal. >> going back to last night, is there anything you would do differently? focused on saying the name joe, i said joe when i gave the number. i should have said text. >> black voter turnout is down in states like michigan. obama a lotresident when you talk about race, but i'm curious how you plan to get obama level turnout. >> i am from a state that has the eighth largest black population in the country. never gotten any fewer votes in an off year than in on year than any person in delaware, black or white. i think the black community is no different than any other community in the sense that they are being hurt badly. they are being hurt badly and they want to know someone, first of all, are they telling them the truth? ar

we cannot have democrats be party to a new nafta.t, you're the only person on the stage that voted for the original nafta, can you say you would oppose a new nafta and what you believe in, what a lot of us hope for, is trade treaties that empower organized labor across the boundaries of the world and give working people power again. >> vice president, your response? your response, sir? >> yes. >> that's it. >> he said, would i insist that labor be engaged. the answer is yes. >> i consider that a victory. >> well i love your affection for me. you spend a lot of time with me. >> you know what? we believe in redemption at this party. >> i hope you're part of it. >> i want to ask a question of senator bennett. cnn reached out to primary voters for the most pressing question. ferris from flint, michigan, has this question. here in detroit, we have seen firsthand how it can displace workers and create uncertainty about human job security. how would you balance the disruptions created by technology, on our economy? >> this goes to the last

>> of nafta has had its day. i'm one that actually believes that nafta did a lot of good things.reforms. it's no longer in our best interest and usmca will be in our best interest. and like i said, back to my district, dairy alone will make a large difference. canada is going to open up its markets for our dairy producers. this is something that's very important. there are various requirements from mexico. it's upgraded. it's modernized. it's the right legislation for trade for north america. we need to pass it. and congressman allred and others, they're level-headed people. that know what's best for our economy. dagen: congressman, good to see you. thanks for being here this morning. >> thank you. dagen: coming up, teen vaping, a new study shows e greets cigarette-cigarette ads arelinks vaping. plus, the big business of video game, a popular fortnite player announcing a major partnership with adidas. ♪ so glad you made it. ♪ you've got to give me some loving. ♪ give me, give me some loving. ♪ give me some loving. ♪ give me, give me some loving. ♪ can i get some help. watch his h

and let me tell you, the nafta deal that is now sitting -- being ratified by congress, the new naftafta deal. there's only a few tweaks. so sometimes what leaders can do is say, oh, i had a great victory here and sometimes things are moving so fast that the press never goes to dissect it to explain it. so do i think it's possible that he will walk away from a tough china deal because he's worried it could tank the economy? yeah, i completely agree with that. but we shouldn't have been here to begin with. we should have been taking the chinese on with all of our friends and all of our allies and to say to china, you need to clean it up because if you don't clean it up, you face the entire world. he didn't do that. i think it was a terrible mistake. >> he seemed to indicate, though, he was having second thoughts on the trade war and then the white house had to jump in and clarify what he meant by it. this is the white house chief economic adviser larry kudlow. listen to that and then we'll talk. >> actually, what he was intending to say is he always has second thoughts and he actually

. >> it worked on replacing nafta. that was successful. the only thing blocking that is nancy pelosi and the democrats in the house. >> it's literally nafta 2.0. it didn't change that much. >> it's a better deal for the u.s. in the president's eyes, and it's an example of how the art of the deal worked. i think the key thing for donald trump is to show that he's got a vision for the second term and to continue with another round of tax cuts. he's deciding which way he wants to go on that. we're going to urge one that is for small businesses, to give them the same tax break the corporate guys got. >> governor weld, you're obviously challenging the president in a primary. you don't think he deserves renomination. if you don't get the nomination, does he dererve rserve re-elect? >> absolutely not. let me just say, i think the president does have a vision for thcond term. it's what steve bannon says. if president trump is re-elected, you're going to see four years of unadulterated, unrequited payback. mr. trump is going to pay back all his ene

you have opposed tpp and nafta. what is your solution? >> let's just talk about the current state of affairs. donald trump has conducted trade policy by tweet. -- iowa making all kinds of promises to farmers and he has betrayed them. in a unilateral way clearly without considering the harm that would result from what he market tost cut off a our farmers that they've been cultivating for well over a decade. and so now they are looking at bankruptcy with soybeans writing in bins. on the issue of trade, let's just step back for a moment and also remember trade by definition means there's more than one party. because you are trading with somebody else. and usually there are a few parties involved. so we have to conduct trade policy in a way that acknowledges there are many relationships and many folks who are going to be at play in that. will conduct trade policy in a way that understands the negotiation and leverage we have with our allies around the world. tode policy is always going be about protecting american workers and having those as

. >> can you clarify your position on nafta? house democrats talk about concrete changes. joe biden you asked me what the trump plann had offered. last time there was a proposal that said you have to -- this was a proposal that said you will have to -- this was 20 some years ago. you have to make sure you provide alternatives for people who may be caught in the crossfire. that did not happen. that's a different deal. differently?k to last night, is saying joeinstead of i would have said text. i was so focused on making the case for joe, i said joe when i said the number. it was text. you guys printed it 15 times and is getting great results. >> black voter turnout is down in states like michigan. you invoke president obama a lot when you talk about race, but i'm curious how you plan to get obama level turnout in 2020 as a white politician. i have never gotten any fewer votes in an on-year than in on year than any person in delaware, black or white. they know my heart. they know me. i think that's why so many are supporting me. i think the black community is no different th

can you clarify your position on nafta? vice president biden: you asked planether or not trump's has faltered. as long as i got to make sure they are written in stone. they must be imposed. last time there was a proposal yearsaid -- this was 20 ago -- you have to make sure you provide for alternatives. that did not happen. it is a different deal. going back to last night, is there anything you would do differently? i wouldsident biden: have said text. i was focused on making the and i shouldjoe have said text. you printed it 15 times, that is getting results. reporter: black voter turnout is down in michigan. how do you plan to get obama level turnout in 2020 as a white politician? vice president biden: i have run in a state that has the eight largest black population in the country. , i have and on year gotten more votes than anybody in delaware black or white. i come from a community, they know my heart and know me, and that is why they are supporting me. i think the black immunity is no different from any other community

and we cannot have democrats be party to a new nafta.fta. are you ready to say you will oppose a new nafta and what you believe in is trade treaties that empower organized labor across the boundaries of the world and give working people power again. not just corporations. >> yes. >> your response, sir. >> yes. >> that's it? >> would i insist that labor be engaged the answer is yes. >> i consider that a victory. >> well, i love your affection for me. you spend a lot of time with me. >> you know what -- we believe in redemption. in this party. >> i tell you what, i hope you're part of it. >> i want to ask senator bennett. cnn reached out to michigan democratic primary voters for the most pressing question. this question. here in detroit the economy has seen firsthand how technology and automation can displace workers and create uncertainty around human job security. how would you a balance the disruptions with the impact of technology on the economy. >> this goes to the last question. which is how are we going to remain competitive. it's n

. >> can you clarify your position on nafta? house democrats talked about four concrete changes. mr. biden: you asked me whether or not trump plan had been offered. the four changes, as long as i got to make sure that this time they are written in stone. they are written in stone. they must be imposed. last time, remember, there was a proposal that said you have to -- this was 20 some years ago. you have to make sure you provide alternatives for people who may be caught in the crossfire. that did not happen. that's a different deal. someone had a question -- >> going back to last night, is there anything you would do differently about last night's debate? mr. biden: no, instead of saying the name joe, i said joe when i gave the number. i should have said text. i would have changed that. you guys have printed it 16 times. >> black voter turnout is down in key states like michigan. you invoke president obama a lot when you talk about race, but i'm curious how you plan to get obama-level turnout in 2020 as a white politician. mr. biden: i am from a state that has the eighth largest