pass the tax increase the nafta bill and i the time the stage was clear for health care the bill was defeated you did not even get one bill passed out of committee. for 15 more years it had become so onerous that is what i called up passage of the affordable care act this is the framework for the next 50 years. >> host: did might be fair to say the most interesting part of the book is you were there at the revolution and in addition to the run up the good portion of the book to that again chapter eight to 3-d rest of that but your own observations and insight of someone who was there and do specifically talk about the complex interplay between policy politics and interest groups. if you would elaborate on that and focus with malpractice? that is one of the more easy ones. [laughter] >> it does illustrate not nearly as simple as people play it out to be. >> getting malpractice reform was a reasonable chance. first of all, we should be modest with the expectation and going in that day is regulated at the state level not federal level. so putting malpractice reform in federal legislatio

they had the nafta bill. by the time all the rest of the states was cleared for health care, opposition had gamed and had defeated the bill. didn't get one bill passed another of committee. healthcare reform is dead for 15 years until 2008, and the system just had become so onerous, we needed reform and i call it the world's historical act. it did take 100 years and this will be the framework for the next 20, 30, 40, 50 years. >> host: well, i think that it might be fair to say the most interesting part of the book is the fact that you there at the revolution. this is what zeke saw at the resolution. when you do a good portion of the book to that and it's very good foundation. the part -- i show this to people and they go, where is the zek can e part and it's chapters -- you talk about your own observations and insights as someone who really was there, and you specifically talk about, i'm quoting here, the complex interplay between policy, politics, and interest groups. and if you would elaborate on that. mayb

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working with ted kennedy to get an education bill done, before that bill clinton worked with republicans to pass the free-trade agreement, naftand before that, you had to go neil working with reagan to pass legislation. and you are just not seeing that anymore. you talk -- you asked about the president's influence. the presidents in those cases made a special effort to have those relationships with the congress and vice versa. for some reason, that hasn't stopped. when you have to sit next to someone in the white house or on capitol hill, look them in the eye and talk about an issue, you feel it more. and if you have a difference, it's going to be a true difference before you take a speech before the tv cameras. that is different than looking at someone in the eye who sincerely comes to you to try to work out some agreement. it sets the table for something to actually get done at the end of the day versus each one individually racing out to the podium to make a speech that is going to look good on television. >> president obama does not, it's fair to say, have good relations with members of congress, including democratic membe

presidency working with ted kennedy in the education and before that bill clinton worked with republicans to pass the free. agreement, nafta. before that you had tip o'neill working with reagan to pass legislation. you are just not seeing that anymore but in each of those cases you asked about the presidents influence. the presidents in those cases made a special effort to have those relationships with the congress and vice versa. for some reason that has stopped when you have to sit next to someone in the white house or on capitol hill and look them in the eye and talk about an issue you really feel it more and if you have a difference it's going to be a true difference before you bring -- rather than going to make a speech in front of the tv cameras that's different than looking someone in the eye who has sincerely come to you to try to work out some agreement. it sets the table for something to actually get done at the end of the day versus each one individually reaching out to the podium to make a speech that's going to look good on television >> president obama does not i think it's fair to say have a good relationshi

you have bill clinton come up as a right president. don't ask, don't tell nafta deregulated, he also cut social programs. he did not reform them, he cut it, which is part of the problem. basically he continued on with ronald reagan. he also came in the south with the southerners when he came down to help and he talked against black people and homosexuals. ronald reagan did, this is why when he took office, bill clinton said the era of big government is over. host: we'll get a response. thanks for the call. guest: yeah, it's interesting, because you define center right, center left these days, and i think that's important to hear is the caller, obviously not satisfied with the moderation of the clintons, but that's the sort of politics that put democrats back in the white house after 20 years of near exile from 1968 to 1988. democrats won the majority of the popular vote in only one election during that time, and now since then, you had republicans have won the popular vote and only one election since then. and that's the kind of way that democrats were age to get