naftali, you are negotiating already with hamas in egypt directly. negotiated with hamas already a year ago. >> there's one thing we've got to do with terrorists and that's hunt them down. >> hold on. we have a bit of a delay, so rula, please finish and then naftali. >> he's really dishonest and i'm sorry to say that. you are negotiating with hamas. you have israeli guys already in egypt negotiating directly with hamas. you negotiated with hamas a year ago. handed them 1,000 prisoners. you are doing it secretly. we are begging you to negotiate, behaving greatly is the p.a. you asked for security on the west bank, prosperity and you are humiliating them, not giving anything. and increasing settlement. for seven years mr. netanyahu, prime minister netanyahu didn't give anything, anything. and actually, empowered more hamas. because the moment they went, he negotiated with hamas over jihad, released prisoners. and you are sending and setting up a very dangerous precedent. >> okay. >> if hamas -- >> let's let naftali respond. >> these are lots of words t

. >> if hamas is a movement, and naftali said it's a state. remember, gaza is under siege, part of what is supposed to be a state that never happened to be a state. israel occupies the west bank since 1967, and they never gave them anything. the truth is, if hamas is a movement or a terrorist group, and they are doing what they are doing, israel is a democracy. so the answer of a democracy, when we know there are civilians, we try to avoid casualties. we try to do our best and find solutions to solve the conflict. but we are answering their attacks with other attacks and violence. you are building more hatred, mr. naftali. you are not providing solutions here. >> i do not provide solutions to terrorists. we have to eradicate terrorism and that's exactly what you're doing. let me be very clear. >> but that -- the other side -- actually -- >> let -- there's a bit of a delay. >> the other house would be showered with missiles. i'm asking you, would you tolerate that or would you respond? i think mrs. jabril is speaking nonsense. i have to be very

and naftali bendavid who covers congress for the "wall street journal."tali, we saw john boehner come out today and say-- sound like he was finding middle ground. we heard the president call john boehner and harry reid and sound like he was extending some sort of-- i don't know, the day after the election-- olive leaf. is that true? >> i think so. it was really striking to see the conciliatory language on both sides, particularly with speaker boehner who was very careful in the words he used. he used a teleprompter, something he doesn't usually do as though to make sure he used the right language and took no questions from reporters. early opoliticians know voters want compromise, the wan concillation. so the first thing out of the box was to talk in that kind of way. what we don't know is whether they're saying that because they think that's what voters want to hear or whether it's going to lead to an actual middle ground. >> ifill: it's not like the fiscal cliff issue-- which we have talked about on this program a lot-- is something that came out of now

. >> naftali it sons the only way to clean gaza out from the terrorism is you have to go in, in a land action. you can't do that all from the air. how close to do you think we are from a ground invasion by the israeli defense forces? >> governor, i think you are right, there's no choice but to enter and clean it up. i don't know what the chances are over the next 24, 48 hours. but i think that at some point we will need to go in. i want to point it -- point out, it is not only a battle between average me and terrorists this is a battle of spirit. we are at the forefront of a big wave of radical islam out to eliminate the whole free world. it just happens to be this is the frontline. it is a battle of spirits. they think if they shoot another missile and another one, they will wear us out. i'm here to tell hamas, we've been in land for over 3,800 years, we are not going anywhere. we are here to stay you might come and g we are going to fight as much as we need. guy four kids, i'll willing to as every israelid go and the one million israelis in the shelters are very strong and willing to