> we do want to point out very clearly that you are speaking here in your capacity as president of naij. how does implicit bias among judges play out in the courtroom? >> we're confronted with having to face our own assumptions about people every day we walk into court. and particularly in the immigration courts where so many of the cases are based on people telling us their stories rather than having some kind of document or newspaper article that helps them show what happened. we have to decide whether they are being credible or not, whether we believe what's happened. so it's very important to check your own bias as you do that. >> so how do these subconscious stereotypes then affect the immigrants who appear in your courts and other immigration judges' courts? >> that's the interesting thing about implicit bias. it is by its nature subconscious and something that people aren't aware of. so judges, as soon as they go into the courtroom, have to constantly remind themselves that they may be making assumptions based on their personal experiences and to counteract that, we have to educa

the three follow brothers, lead singer caleb and naij nathan on drums and jared on bass and leon on guitar. where did your first love of music come from? >> our dad was a traveling minister so church music was part of our lives, caleb and i. >> reporter: he and caleb were signed to a recording deal in 2002. they wanted to name themselves for their grandfather leon but their manager had a different idea. >> we said we are going to be kings of leon and they said that is the worst band name ever. they said you're sabotaging your career! the bomb about our cousin and little brother gentleman they brought in then 15-year-old jared and 17-year-old matthew. >> they were, like, do they play? and we said, we just bought jared a bass today. he is learning. and they said, well, what about moout? i said, well, he played a thin lizzie song over the phone from mississippi, sounded pretty good, so. >> reporter: the kings of leon grew up quickly. >> jared and mat became men. like, on the road while we were touring. >> nathan still tries to order for us at dinner and stuff like that. >> there is a point wh