leslie marshall, nan haworth. leslie, "little michael." who could take on donald trump? >> i think the ticket -- and i'm going on the record -- the ticket should be by then- then-biden-beto. and people will say "an old white guy?" i have to say, both sides have some issues that are problematic. for the republicans, you have mr. ken, pennsylvania, and wisconsin which put the president over the top and into the white house and the midterms heavily going back to democrats. you still have texas and florida, very red. ohio is arguably still red. if they don't come between three percentage points of ted cruz, making texas a bit more purple. i'm dreaming about -- >> beto, to me, is just one of the accomplished -- speed when he couldn't win. >> fair enough. but, why? because he is robert francis over work he constantly channels the kennedys. he is vapor. he has nothing. if they want to nominate him, i'd be happy for that. >> harris: do you think anybody could challenges president? >> i think a prez that will be formidable for anyone. i do see mayo