the president said, no, he had already made up his mind, nancy ann deparl is that person. that's the person we need, mr. chairman. and mr. cutler also points out, mr. meadows referenced this as well, according to the memo, the overall head of implementation inside hhs was jean lambeau. those are the two people we need. would you agree, mr. park? they need to come here and tell us what took place, why these decisions were made, why it was done the way it was done, these are the key people? this is the lady, the president said, no, that's who i want in charge. even though peter or zack, zeke emanuel, and the president said no, i want nancy ann deparl in charge. don't you think she should come in front of this committee, mr. park? >> respectively, i can't really speak to that, sir. >> we're probably going to have to do the same thing for her as we did for you. we'll have to subpoena her. last week the chairman and i sent a letter to the white house asking that simple question. the person hand picked by the president to run this operation, would she come before this committee

nancy-ann deparle who was the ark -- architect of this fought long and hards to be the ones to actuallyn't get an architect to be the general contractor for a house. you just don't. martha: who would have been good at this? >> you need people who have been in the trenches with technology experience, that have been in the insurance policy or employer or health i.t. industry that understand all of the complexities to lead the charge to know how to bring all of these players together. and, unfortunately, they still don't have that. you know, qssi is a great company, but it's far more complex than picking a web site. martha: the president made an interesting statement the other day, he said one of the things we want to figure out is the government i.t. procurement process that needs to be fixed. what does that tell you? >> well, that's a big problem because when they need to select a vendor, what they didn't really look at is exactly what you asked before, is what are the right skill sets that we need in understanding the skill sets to bring in the right vendor. and there have been a lot of