like nancy ann depaul who came to help health care. she had a very nice life. had left government. she came back in and gave four years of her life to pass health care, because that's what she wanted her whole life. one of the things i've taken from this experience. when the bush folks were in the white house, i think, i was like, what terrible decisions they made, why did they do that? my pledge to myself -- now i know how hard the calls are that people make here and people in the white house are dealing with a whole set of competing equities that no one on the outside that going forward whether it's republican or democrat, i will not criticize this people for the decisions they make. i may disagree with the policy. charlie: george bush has been good about that? dan: he has and for the most part his staff has been. if they disagree, they should say it, but -- charlie: talking about the president specifically. dan: the president has been great about it. i've been around him a little bit. charlie: did you change your opinion of what you thought about him? dan: 100%. charlie: how so.