ask 2 who have walked us through months of shutdown, anxiety, new york based psychotherapist, nancy collyer, and mark rutherford, a psycho therapist in private practice in california. welcome back folks. even without the cliffhanger on election night, we have been through months and months of campaign acrimony, even if you tried to tune it out. it's an awful lot, nancy and then mark, how do we put that behind us? i hate to be the starter of contention, but i don't think we put it behind us actually. i think we have to live with it to a certain extent. the only way to anxiety is through it. we like to deny it or avoided or be done with it. but we are living in a time where there is a very divided country, tremendous amount of conflict and all sitting with the bass up coated. and we have to make space for the fact that this is a time like no other and put our energy on what can we control in our lives? what creates joy in our lives, where can we be presence in our lives? but acknowledging that, of course, there is anxiety. this is a time like no, i don't think we can deny that. yeah, a full w