for a closer look at the president's recent moves, i'm b jointwo former federal judges: nancy gertner was p appointed sident clinton etd served as a u.s. district judge in massach for 17 years. and paul cassell. he was appoied by president orge w. bush anderved as a u.s. district judge in utah for five years.es juwelcome to you both. thank you for being here. nancy, to you, first. let's talk about the pardons and the commutations the president issued today. eleven difrent people that sort of spanned an unusual utlitical gam what do you make of the president's move today? >> well, in a regime that has extraordinarily punitive regime, the pardon power is reay critical. the clemency power is critical and important. most other presints had a process for it, had standards, had a parn attorney, had a process within the department of justice. i don't know that the president has that kind of a process, and the purpose of that process is to make sure that pardons are political influence or just celebrity status. so that is a problem with the, you know, the deploying of this very, very importan

reporter: nancy gertner, what do you make of that?e you think the judges should stay out of fray and say we are on the bench, we will make decisions as we see fit, and let the political fray be the political fray? >>>> i think they can stand up for the institution. i think when the president makes a kind of comment that he di for a sentencing, sort of mid proceeding, when he makes the kind of commenthahe did trashing the judge who was hearing the case, and making the comments he did with respond to a political crony, the judges should well be concerned about the interference with the bench as an institution. ving said that, i doubt very much that they will say anything said when trump was talking about obama judges, and somethingt tould be different than what the chief justice of the district court sa, these are independent judges who should be free to make independent decisions free from political influence. taking that position is fine. i don't think they will say much more than that. reporter nancy gertner and paul cassell, thank y

district judge nancy gertner, senior lectures after harvard law school. paul george, among many calling for barr to resign. paul, i'll go to you first. i find to hard to believe that he would resign. if he doesn't, what can be done? >> so, there could be oversight hearings by the house judiciary committee. they could subpoena barr and have him come in and explain why he is enacting policies that benefit the president's friends and punish the president's enemies. so, why is he ordering a do-over on investigations that clear the president's enemies and why is he directing prosecutions against people who trump sees as his enemy? there is a concern that if things carry on, we might be drifting towards political prosecutions. joy, we're there right now. the president is ordering and the attorney general is implementing investigations on behalf of the president that are inconsistent with the rule of law. >> and you had, ms. gertner, judge gertner, i should say, donald trump get on twitter and ask why hasn't person "x" been prosecuted? and names people in his tw