earlier i spoke with nancy grace of hln. >> so nancy, after three weeks of testimony the prosecutionir case. what do you think has been their strongest, most compelling evidence? >> reporter: well, you know what, anderson? i think it's going to be just like the 12 jurors. it depends -- beauty is in the eye of the beholder, anderson. i think very, very persuasive evidence was put forth at the very beginning with the so-called behavioral evidence of to the tot mom the way she partied into the night, went out using somebody else's checks and bought booze and push-up bras, never mentioned kaylee, slung up at her boyfriend's house. the whole day after kaylee goes missing never leaving the bedroom? that behavioral evidence made a very strong first impression. but i as the former prosecutor find the most persuasive evidence to be the forensic evidence. the evidence that there was chloroform in that trunk. that the air samples showed human decomposition very, very powerful. and heart-breaking evidence at the crime scene itself of the winnie the pooh paraphernalia now soiled and ruined, her l

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tom foreman, cnn. >> hln's nancy grace has been following this case from the beginning.poke to her earlier, along with criminal defense attorney mark geragos. nancy, the prosecution doesn't have a motive, and they don't have a cause of death. aren't those the kind of two biggest problems that they're facing? >> well, anderson, as you well know, the state doesn't have to prove motive at all. how are we, the state, supposed to crawl into somebody's mind, especially a defendant on trial for murder, and determine what they're thinking? but as a practical reason, they do need to show that to the jury. however, i think they are showing motive, anderson. by all the problems tot mom had finding babysitters, she wouldn't pay for them. there was resentment between her and her parents that was mounting when they couldn't take care of caylee every night. and it got to the point where the prosecution will allege her babysitter was homemade chloroform. >> mark, to you, is the lack of motive, is the lack of -- maybe even more important, the cause of death a big problem for the prosecut

people who can explain exactly what's going on in that florida courtroom and what happens next, nancy gracee host of her own show on our sister network, hln, and dan abrams, abc news. legal analyst, nancy, let me start with you because you have had an extraordinary run. massive ratings on you show. as america tunes in for the latest updates on this fascinating case. there are lots stories like this. you cover them all the time. what is it about this story that has gripped america, do you think? >> well, piers, that's an excellent question. and a lot of people have wondered about that. i think it boils down to something very simple. the little girl you see on the screen, there's something about caylee herself. her smile. her persona. we see her in video. we hear her voice. a lot of times when children go missing, we don't have the photos or the videos to really get to know them. also, piers, i believe that when you look at tot mom, casey anthony, it's almost as if the mind is tricking the eye. because you hear this damning evidence about her. and you look at her in court. she's a sweet-looki

and nancy grace, the host of "nancy grace" on hln in atlanta. nancy, let me begin with you. talked about chloroform. but was it really a game changer? >> well, i believe that for jurors that are predisposed to tot mom, casey anthony, i think it is a game-changer. but anybody on that jury that's a mother or grandmother will probably feel the same way that i do. if my daughter, lucy, or my little boy were looking at the florida death penalty, if there were a way i could do it, i would say, here. here's my arm. go ahead. put the needle in and that's what we saw cindy anthony do yesterday. here's the big problem for me. we already know that on the state's witness list they've got the recordkeeper for cindy's work. if they have her computer records they're going to be able to show she was absolutely at work. and if the defense set her up for a perjury charge it's on them. >> yeah, i don't know that they'll actually end up charging her with perjury. but i agree with nancy on the fundamentals of how significant it is. it is more significant in regard of premeditation. this is a sev

nancy grace feeling much better and she is the host of "nancy grace" on hln. analyst dan abrams back in the studio with us. let's talk about this surprise potential witness, april whalen. what is your take on all this? >> well, i have taken a look at the two stories. and they are absurdly similar. both are toddler children. both above-ground pools. both found by the grandfather. both wandered away while the family inside. both get out of the pool dead. the moment they're taken out of the pool, essentially, they're in the same neighborhood. they're only a few miles apart. i don't know if you've been in a jailhouse before. i hope you haven't. but you can hear everything going on. it keeps you up all night long, the chattering and talking. if they were adjacent cellmates, tot mom, casey anthony, could definitely hear what april whalen was saying. that's not even a concern. there is no coincidence in criminal law. these stories are startlingly similar. and it seems as if tot mom copycatted her story point accidental drowning from inmate april whalen. >> i don't kn

nancy grace and dan abrams. also tonight, politician, joushallist and the host of one of america's most outrageous tv shows. jerry springer. talking frankly about politics, about fame, about celebrity, and about scandal. this, live from hollywood, is "piers morgan tonight." >>> how does the phrase president donald trump sound? i suspect it sounds pretty good. especially if you're donald trump. his pizza summit with sarah palin is putting his political a aspirations firmly back in the spotlight. will he run for president or not? donald trump joins me now on the phone. donald trump, how are you? >> hello, piers. >> tell me about pizza gate with sarah palin. what was going on there? >> well, she's a wonderful woman who i've gotten to know over the years. she called and said she was in new jersey doing her bus tour that i've been seeing and reading about. and she said, let's get together. and she came up to the apartment. and we then went with our families to a pizza place. she said, let's have some pizza. and we di

nancy grace has been following the case for our sister network hln and joins us live from florida to break down what has been going on there today. first, nancy, what do you think about casey anthony's alleged illness? do you believe she was ill? did anyone see her tears there? >> well, randi, number one, thank you for having me. i'm here outside the orlando orange county courthouse and i'm not so sure that she was sick as much as sick of the testimony. because one thing i noticed, randi -- i've been watching her very carefully. when her mother cindy anthony, grandmother to little caylee took the stand, she was so broken up, she put her head down, couldn't even raise her head. she went through a box of kleenex. tot mom has been through one! randi, one kleenex! but she's been crying for two days. she's used one kleenex. all right, that of course is anecdotal proof. but the reason -- there were a lot of people upset in court today. and that's because we were hearing testimony about caylee's limbs, her femura, her legs, being chewed on by animals, her trunk, torso, being dragged off and

let's bring in the rest of our trial team, nancy grace, the host of "nancy grace" on hlhl ad here in again is our legal analyst dan abrams. nancy, let me start with you. that was the fifth time that we saw george anthony on the stand. before we've seen a composed former police officer. yesterday we saw a grieving grandfather. >> we really did, robin. and what was so amazing to me is that as he broke down on the stand, especially when he got to the part about his own attempted suicide and, p.s., don't you think before he took his own life in an eight-page suicide note he would have accepted blame to save his family if he had had anything to do with caylee's disappearance? but, no, and interesting, the defense wanted to ask him about the suicide to make him look bad to suggest he's the one that's guilty but they don't want the jury to see the suicide note, which would explain a lot and all this time tot mom sitting there like this, ho-hum. she actually laughs almost when george leaves the stand. then she breaks down in tears later in court when there's a grief counselor talking about w

, host of "nancy grace" on hln and our own dan abrams.actly what is going to happen when he raises the question. so why does he do it? >> well i think that the timing was very very critical because the judge asked the defense well, are you ready to go to lunch and jose baez a lead defense attorney says just a if you more questions, judge then hits the witness with the question about the fbi testing lee for paternity. now, immediately their objections, the jury was sent out, long story short, the judge basically reprimanded baez once the jury left but what it did was pour fuel onto the flame that started in opening statements that lee molested tot mom and this may help tot mom escape taking the stand. >> escape take the stand. i want 0 get to that again in a minute. first, dan, let me turn to you. okay, the first full day for the defense calling their witnesses. what was the most important thing they got done? >> look a lot of this was testimony about what evidence wasn't there. that there wasn't blood. that there wasn't that much evidence

simpson trial you see the spin off with nancy grace i want to see if i like a chicken or the egg question what comes first people demanding this kind of news coverage or it does the constant feeding of it and see and then sort of cause in saturday and addiction to my thesis for the evening is it is that they feed it to people and then they get accustomed to it and ask for more and i think i don't think it's a chicken and egg thing i think the biggest there they lay it and basically that's all we have also they created expectation regardless of what caused it i think we have a clip of how folks handled their inability to get tickets to the casey anthony trial there was a bit of a scuffle i think we played our first like. i got i mean we're all just talk over there so obviously they're freaking out i mean i don't know do you think there would've been this kind of excitement for something so minute when there are so many big issues going on it wasn't on cable twenty first i thought well no i mean there's that and there's also this is a whole different kind of animal i mean if and i've said t

simpson trial you see the spin off with nancy grace i wonder this is kind of like a chicken or the end question what comes first people demanding this kind of news coverage or does the constant feeding of it on c.n.n. sort of cause instead of the end. of my nightmares my thesis for the evening is it isn't the spoon feed it to people and really get accustomed to it and ask for more i think i don't think it's a chicken and egg thing i think the biggest fear they lay it and basically that's all we have also they created expectation regardless of what caused it i think we have a clip of how folks handled their inability to get tickets to the casey anthony trial it's about there's a bit of a scuffle i think if we play that first like. i. was. my god i mean just talk over this obviously they're freaking out i mean i don't know do you think there would have been this kind of excitement for something so minute when there are so many big issues going on or it wasn't on cable twenty first i don't well no i mean there's that and there's also this is a whole different kind of animal i mean if and

. >>> and joining us again are now, the host of "nancy grace," nancy grace. on hln.ta. and our legal analyst. dan abrams back in the studio with us right now. the jury, nancy, heard a lot from casey yesterday, in those tapes. the defense already said she lied. what is the perception, now that they have actually heard her? what is the perception of her in that courtroom? >> you know, robin, you just hit the nail on the head. it's one thing to hear a reporter or a news anchor or somebody camped outside the courthouse, like i am right now. talk about casey lying. it's another thing altogether for the jury to sit there and hear hour after hour, of tot mom lying, indicating nothing to suggest that there was an accidental death. that caylee's actually dead. any fear for her father. or that she was ever the victim of sexual abuse. hour after hour, we heard that. and to hear her lead the police detectives on a wild goose chase, all the while knowing that caylee was literally rotting in a makeshift pet cemetery, is creepy. that's the best way to put it. and you know what else

nancy grace, the host of "nancy grace" on hln. and in our studio, our legal analyst, dan abrams.esterday, we saw the judge bring everybody in court for the motion on whether casey is competent to stand trial. it seemed to me like an ultimate hail mary pass. >> competence is a high standard. you have to literally be unable to understand the proceedings against you. it doesn't mean you're disagreeing with your lawyers. it doesn't mean that you're being ornery. it doesn't mean that you're being difficult. it means that you literally can't help in your defense. and that's a superhigh standard that i can't believe that anyone wasn't surprised to hear that casey anthony is competent. >> you have a pretty good bead on what is going on in that courtroom. a hail mary pass. let me tell you something. i've tried in competency trials. and dan's right. you have to show you have no idea what's going on. you can't help your lawyer in any way. this is no signal whether she will testify or not testify. i'll tell you this. that morning when she came back into court after the incompetency hail mary

nancy grace, host of "nancy grace" on hln. as well as our legal analyst here, dan abrams.eemed to be building to this emotional high point of the trial. >> they really did. and in the courtroom, you could have heard a pin drop. there were audible gasps. people were looking at the screens of caylee's remains on them, with their mouth hanging wide-open. at one point, it appeared that tot mom began to dry heave. caylee's clothes were there. you heard ashleigh say tattered rags of shorts and a top, which completely flies in the face of her defense. that in the wee hours of the morning, she gets out of bed and gets into the family poll. she would have had on her pajamas, not her street clothes. this totally torpedos the defense. >> i don't know if it torpedos the defense. according to the defense, it was george anthony disposing of the body. the bigger problem in my view, they're arguing that the crime scene was staged, as ashleigh was just pointing out. i don't see how that one really helps the defense, if george anthony is the one who put the body there. so, they're saying th

all right, ash, let's bring in nancy grace, the host of "nancy grace" on hln and here in the studio danan, let me start with you first. really big day for the defense yesterday. >> yeah, i mean this shows you how difficult the defense in is. i think the defense had a pretty good day and yet they didn't put a dent into the prosecution's case. meaning they were able to show that roy kronk, this meter reader made some inconsistent statements but they aren't able to show he staged the scene. they were able to pose questions about whether george anthony may or may not have had an affair but they weren't able to show he put the body there. they were able to pit lee anthony and cindy anthony against each other with regard to certain testimony but it still didn't change the fundamentals of the case in my view. >> despite the day they had it didn't change the force of -- >> it was the most substantive day the defense has had and i think they made progress with certain witnesses, but they still haven't demonstrated the fundamentals. >> that whoho day didn't amount to a hill of beans. come on. go

the most agitated and frustrated i've been even when i sat with jose and watched that episode of nancy grace and stuff being said about mom and being said about me and him and everybody else and stuff that i've heard. it's frustrated me but i've let it go. right now, i'm so hurt by everything. i don't even know what to say. i hate to say that. >> well, i'm not trying to upset you and neither is mom. we're not trying to. if we are, i'm sorry for that. >> i know that's not your intention. you have to understand where i'm coming from in this. obviously none of you are by expecting me still a month literally it of the loop to have some sort of new insight on stuff, i mean, really? >> okay. i realize this is hard for you to talk about, especially -- >> because i can't do anything. because i've done everything. i've said everything, i've thought about everything. that's all i can do is sit and think everyday. that's what i've done. any information that i've given has been passed on. i know that. >> okay. it's just hard, i know for you, and hard for us because none of us have ever been through any

nancy grace host of "nancy grace" on hln and legal analyst dan abrams.k you for both of you joining us again. nancy, let's start out. vasco thompson, who is he? why would the defense want to call him? >> well, he's a 52-year-old felon. he has a kidnapping conviction, several probation -- parole violation and another arrest. this is who he is. his phone number pops up on george -- father george anthony's cell phone about four to five times around the time caylee was reported missing. this is what i think they're going to do, george. they've got george anthony in their crosshairs. they're going to bring on or suggest -- make suggestions about thompson to suggest that george somehow utilized him in his plot to hide the body. that along with george's alleged suicide attempt, the other woman claiming george told her this was an accident that snowballed out of control, the protester that he pushed off his yard. put it together and they'll taint george anthony as the bad guy. the point, focus on george, focus off tot mom. >> trying to put george on trial. dan,

. >>> let's bring in the rest of our trial team, nancy grace from "the nancy grace show" on hln and ourma" legal analyst dan abrams. thanks for coming back today. we begin with that extraordinary moment when cindy got off the stand. >> well, it was an extraordinary moment. that's a good way to put it. cindy had been breaking down on the stand, crying a river. and in stark contrast, it was such a dichotomy because tot mom, casey anthony, sat there looking, let me say, bored and ill about the whole thing while her mother broke down over caylee. when cindy came down off the witness stand, this is now the third time she's had to endure the cross-examination. she turned to tot mom and said -- tot mom looked away with a little roll of the eyes. and i don't know if the jury saw it. everyone else in the courtroom did. >> yeah, that was some reaction. you mentioned casey looked ill, dan, maybe she looked ill or upset because the testimony of her mom. again, so devastating. talking about the items that were taken out of the house. >> well, and this testimony, this time, was also about what items

. >> the latest on this case is nancy grace of our sister network, hln. extraordinary recordings there. and it kind of explains, i think, why this case is capturing the interest of america. she seems so ordinary, this girl. she doesn't seem like your average psychopathic killer. and it's that, i think, it's the sheer ordinariness. she can be the girl next door. is it that that's drawing so much attention. >> as a matter of fact, piers, an excellent observation. thank you for having me. number two, we have just come out of the courthouse where we have been watching all day long as tapes like this one and many, many others are pouring in to evidence and the jury is actually transfixed. as a matter of fact, at one point, the judge said, do you guys want to go home today, and they're like, no, we'll keep watching. they are transfixed on all of this. this is what we have learned. at one point, she says, i'm the victim. in other words, she's the victim, not caylee. she loses control, goes viral, and rants on her parents about no one's listening to her. at one p

there was no nancy grace. so now -- now there's somebody there to remind you of it a lot.eir kids more. i mean, it's not a new thing. >> jimmy: when you were a kid, would you just -- you'd run around the neighborhood, right? >> we, you know. yeah. my kids go on play date. i have a relationship with the parents. i know who the kids are. they've been to my house. i've been to their house. i was just a kid walking around town. i was like 8 years old. younger than my daughter. just walking around. dude, in town. i would go to greg's house. my friend greg. my mother never met greg. no idea who he is. certainly never met his dad or whoever the dude was. i don't know who it was. when i went to greg's house, i'd knock on the door. this guy would come. always wearing -- some kind of weird top that look a little womany. >> jimmy: uh-huh. >> and hanes. he always had a snoopy glass with gin in it. and just hanes briefs. that were fighting with, you know. and then there was always a little brown spot on the front. yes. so i was contemplating does this guy poop out of his penis? those a

. >>> joining us now is the rest of our trial team, nancy grace, you know her as the host of "nancy gracedio is our legal analyst, good morning, dan abrams. nancy, let me begin with you. the two key moments from monday, the imprint of the heart-shaped sticker and the duct tape with no fingerprints. how damaging? >> well, i think that everyone wants there to be fingerprints. we've all been so brainwashed by what we see on tv that we expect that. we expect dna. we expect all sorts of bells and whistles to appear at trial. the reality is that thanks to tropical storm fay, caylee's little body sat in feet of water for weeks on end along with the duct tape. by the time you finally see the duct tape in trial, it's almost transparent, so nearly all of the back and the gooey part is gone. no way to get fingerprints off that. >> so they weren't too surprised that there were no fingerprints. >> it's not that unusual not to find fingerprints in a case like this. defense attorneys love to use it to their advantage. they love to say, where were the fingerprints, but the truth is what people don't know

it's like my 20-year feud with nancy grace. she knows what she did.said to be of natural causes, only surfaced today. but officials say she died this past december. well, in you ask me, trouble fell in love with her bodyguard, faked her death and now they're living large with the rest of her cash. as for leona, she may be six feet under, but tonight she lives again on the "ridicu-list." we'll be right back. host: could switching to geico really save you 15% or more on car insurance? host: what, do you live under a rock? man: no way! man: hey rick check this out! anncr: geico. 15 minutes could save 15% or more on car insurance. just don't feel like they used to. are you one of them? remember when you had more energy for 18 holes with your buddies. more passion for the one ya love. more fun with your family and friends. it could be a treatable condition called low testosterone or low t. come on, stop living in the shadows. you've got a life to live. [ male announcer ] so don't blame it on aging.

joining us for more, nancy grace and dan abrams.ashleigh was saying, the smell evidence cans. will they get to smell it? >> i think it would be a mistake. anytime you have the jurors play detective, you're getting into dangerous territory. one ruling from the judge that an appeals court says, it was too much. we're going to throw the conviction out. >> the judge has allowed it into evidence. what is to prevent him from saying, open up the can, and smell away? >> you're right. once something is into evidence, the jury has the right to test it, look at it, feel it, to smell it, to listen to it. that's why they have a right to look at fingerprint samples to hold bloody clothes belonging to a victim that are long-since dried and crusty. it's their duty to look and examine the evidence. how many times have i sent a cart load of evidence to the jury room? the more the defense attacks the air test, the more likely the judge will let the jury smell for themselves. i don't know if you have ever smelled a dead body. where you're a novice or h

. >>> joining us now, nancy grace. and here in the studio is our legal analyst, dan abrams. e start with you, nancy. good morning to you. the 911 calls. the prosecution, what were they trying to hope to show the relationship between mother and daughter. what was going on there? >> well, i don't know that the state was trying to bring in the 911 calls to show relationship so much, even though it did, as a matter of fact, do that. when i tried cases, that's one of the things i found juries loved the most. the 911 call. it takes you back to the accident. you relive in reality what happened. it's not someone's version on the stand. you hear what really happened as if you're there. and i think that's where the case really starts, is with the 911 calls. and they're going chronologically. >> it is chilling when you hear the 911 calls. you think there might be a problem of the playing of the tapes for casey? >> it's the fact that jurors are human. right? the judge will tell them that they're only to look at the evidence. and there will be all sorts of jury instructions that will come

. >>> back with us again, nancy grace and our legal analyst, dan abrams. voice on the tapes. the police giving her every opportunity to say, change your story. and she doesn't. >> it's different to hear about someone lying in a courtroom, than it is to actually hear the voice itself. the defense is conceding that she lied. and yet, when you hear her voice, to hear those words coming out of her mouth, to the police, so confidently, i think that is enormously valuable evidence for the prosecution. even though, at this point in the case, that's not at issue. >> nancy, it's that calm, calm tone, that really does set you off, as well. what was casey like as that was being played yesterday? >> well, interestingly, she was stone-faced the entire time. and we thought there would be some flicker of recognition. some interchange between her and lee anthony because if you think back to caylee's memorial, lee, her brother, stood by her. and he sent her several coded messages about how he loved her. he would never forget his promise to her. he broke down crying. and th

>> there is a special on the trial, tomorrow night, 10:00 eastern, but before that we will have nancy graceho has been following this case from the very beginning here with us to give us her thoughts. >>> meanwhile, we're standing by still. there is a house vote on libya funding, and we're waiting for that and we'll bring you the details of the boat as that continues. >>> and the president made a decision to release 30 million barrels of oil, and that has landed him in hot water. that's after the break. stay here. ir factories more environmentally friendly. producing products that save on fuel and emissions, and some that can be reused again. ♪ and promoting eco-friendly and safety driving campaigns. ♪ one team. one planet. bridgestone. >>> 19 minutes past the hour now. time to take a look at some of the stories making headlines. president obama's poll numbers have dipped in recent weeks. he's in pittsburgh to promote u.s. manufacturing. there is a new partnership teaming industries and universities and the government will create new jobs and put america on the cutting edge of technology. t

joining us gma legal analyst dan abrams and nancy grace in the atl. >> good morning. >> good morning you both. nancy, this mysterious halt, undisclosed legal matter, what do you think is going on here? >> well of course speculation started, robin, that there was going to be a mistrial a plea deal, not fast, this is what i learned later in the afternoon, the prosecutor does a deposition. to make a prosecutor trying this case for a long time to do a deposition, means why thing, trial by ambush again, in other words, bringing on a witness that they had not given noticed of. discovery rules very strict. you got to give the other sides a heads up to who you're calling. >> or it could be a new witness. that would be the strongest argument for the defense. bottom line is this better had been a big deal. this is a sequestered jury. they can't live their lives. they're sitting there on saturday, they're supposed to have a full day of testimony. for the judge to cancel that entire day, this better had been really important. >> second time that week there that there was no testimony. >> that's

. >> let's were in our team, nancy grace and dan abrams and, dan, you saw these expert witnesses allseeds of doubt. >> yeah. >> in the prosecution's case. >> this is much more of a classic defense theory, which is show what evidence they didn't find, meaning the prosecution wants them to focus on the evidence they did find and the defense is saying, wait a sec, you can't necessarily rely on that because of all the evidence they didn't find, the problem, of course, is that this isn't a classic defense meaning that the defense can't in this case simply say see all of our experts demonstrated, there wasn't a lot of evidence. there really might be reasonable doubt here. okay, in a classic defense case you might be able to do that. >> isn't that what you've been recommending them to do all along. >> of course, but they didn't do it so in their opening statement they made it clear they wanted to do a lot more than that. look, maybe they're shifting gears. let's see what happens if they put george anthony back on the stand. if they're shifting gears which would be smart in my mind away from

it's like my 20-year feud with nancy grace. she knows what she did. news of her death, said to be of natural causes, only surfaced today. but officials say she died this past december. well, in you ask me, trouble fell in love with her bodyguard, faked her death and now they're living large with the rest of her cash. as for leona, she may be six feet under, but tonight she lives again on the "ridicu-list." we'll be right back. host: could switching to geico really save you 15% or more on car insurance? host: do people use smartphones to do dumb things? man 1: send, that is the weekend. app grapgic: yeah dawg! man 2: allow me to crack...the bubbly! man 1: don't mind if i doozy. man 3: is a gentleman with a brostache invited over to this party? man 1: only if he's ready to rock! ♪ sfx: guitar and trumpet jam vo: geico. 15 minutes could save you 15% or more on car insurance. two of the most important are energy security and economic growth. north america actually has one of the largest oil reserves in the world. a large part of that is oil sands. this re

. >> reporter: hln's nancy grace says despite the defense's best efforts she can't see how anyone canweet looking, petite, she looks pale and frail with her hair back in a pony tail like a cheerleader and it's hard to take in and assimilate that what it you're seeing is not what the evidence is telling you. >> we want to get insight on the latest testimony and on how the trial is going, joining us is criminal defense attorney and former prosecutor holly hughes and holly, thank you so much for being here. casey anthony's brother, lee anthony, tell us about his testimony. were there any bombshells? what was the significance? did it help or hurt this mother's case? >> actually, suzanne, it was bombshell day, and it's funny because the prosecution had to really pull lee anthony, that's casey's older brother, to get him to give up some of these real gems for the prosecution. he didn't want to be there. he was nervous. he was reticent, kept saying i don't remember, they had to get out his deposition testimony and prior interviews, what we call refreshing recollection in the law and you're a

grace. >> for nearly a hundred years there was a station in the middle of san francisco. chinese were detained before being allowed to enter the u.s. in this reading, writer nancy om, takes the audience to angel island. >> palm trees faced us when we landed. they were like garred yens to pass the golden gate we told them what wement todd hear. on the island of desperate dreams we shed our skins and wore new ones. burned our parents name and let our pasts curl into smoke. >> no longer my father's daughter. no longer my husband's wife. only the sea gulls know who i really am. for months we were held in separate rooms. the dampness seeped through the bunks and gnawed or bones. at night the wales of ghosts kept us awake. 32 steps to my father's house, 4 windows facing north. 24 steps to my uncle's house, 2 doors facing south. i have 3 sisters, 2 brothers, 4 cousins on my father's side. now i store the memory in a drawer. along with bitter herbs and rhineos ris horns. we dine at restaurants on the better side of town with pink table cloths and real flowers in the vases. we hardly go to china town. >> in a casual way, they had fun with his body. they chained him to t

nancy pelosi and congresswoman jackie speier. those firefighters who didn't know him came but they all joined together to celebrate their lives. ♪ [ music ] the trumpet shall sound ♪ ♪ amazing grace do this together, honoring and remembering them because they taught us not just how to die but how to live. >> ave marie ♪ >> we were reflecting at the firehouse about the support we have received when one member mentioned how much vinnie and tony would have enjoyed this support. vinnie for all the food for he loved to eat and tony because he would love to talk to all of the people there. >> he was strong, aggressive the best. tony became a firefighter. he was a ponytailed hippie who called himself the people's paramedic. he was like mother teresa with a siren. [ laughter ] >> we volunteered at the haight- ashbury free clinic vision on the overdose team so we could get into rock concerts for free. ♪ [ music ] >> make no mistake, these men are gladiators. they fight fire, one of the most powerful forces created by god to save lives. to my brother, now you are free. i will see you again. but not yet. not yet. [ bell tolls ] >> reporter: after the 2.5-hour service, perez and valerio were

brown, congresswoman nancy pelosi and jackie speier, and thousands of others celebrated the lives of two heroes who will be missed. ♪ [ music ] >> the trumpet shall sound ♪ ♪ amazing grace do this together, honoring and remembering them because they taught us not just how to die but how to live. ♪ ave maria >> we were reflecting at the firehouse about the support we have received when one member mentioned how much vinnie and tony would have enjoyed this support. vinnie for all the food for he loved to eat, and tony for all the visitors because he would have loved to talk to all of them. >> vince was the fireman's fire man. he was big, he was strong, he was aggressive and he was one of the best. tony was a free spirited medic with the department of public health who eventually became a firefighter. he was a ponytailed hippie who called himself the people'she was like mother teresa with a siren. [ laughter ] paramedic. >> we volunteered at the haight- ashbury free clinic division on the overdose team so we could get into rock concerts for free. ♪ [ music ] >> make no mistake, these men are gladiators. they fight fire, one of the most powerful forces created by god to save

he called nancy pelosi and said, look at my polling, it's still holding up in my district. and she said take that as a sign that you can bow out gracely. >> well, it's a message that some members of congress are saying it's good to have friends. >> yeah. >> he found out he really didn't have friends in sort of the way he might butt into a press conference or do some things, clearly irritated nancy pelosi over the years. nobody felt the need to go out there. what i didn't understand is why he felt having yet another press conference, going in front of the cameras one more time was a good idea. it seemed like it only fed the worst parts of this scandal. y you're right about the media saturation. and by the way, i don't think in this environment, anybody -- i don't think david vitter would have survived in this environment. >> in this environment. what's sad about it, though, is we waste so much time in our political arena. we spent three weeks on weiner -- >> now i know why osama bin laden had his messages hand-delivered. >> right. >> but i mean, three weeks on weiner, three weeks on the birth certificate. we've got serious problems, as