. >> let me get the numbers on the screen, with john lawrence who served with nancy losey. ,epublicans, (202) 748-8001 democrats, (202) 748-8000, .ndependents, (202) 748-8002 there are 32 democrats. who voted no. and the caucus meeting to put her forward as speaker. how does she get those 32? suggest i'mt me to familiar with what she is doing at the moment. but i watched her over years. work with members who had problems with legislation, strategy, making sure factions in the caucus were represented and formulation of legislation. the way she does it is retail politics. she sits and talks to people and different groups within the caucus. she brought in some of those negative people who said there were been are problems voting for her and she turned them around. the problem solvers caucus. she said you want reform, we can do that. part of her job is to have everyone understand the nature of politics, of coalition politics is give-and-take. we campaign and poetry but govern in rpose --prose. what she had to say in the halls of congress -- that is what we need. it was a conversation. -- w

get ready for that approach, especially nancy losey becoming the top democrat.on with rudolph giuliani when he spoke on the sunday shows this weekend. does the how much inner circle talk about the changes in the white house. kevin: not much. staff withchief of something that was largely forecasted with the departure of john kelly. what interesting is the policy implications of mick mulvaney. he voted against raising the debt ceiling. he has a deep relationship with the freedom caucus. how is he going to work on issues like trade with steve mnuchin? beyond that, there is a lot coming down the pipeline. i mention the debt ceiling and the shutdown. nafta, that's and going to really escalate in the first quarter next year. tom: kevin, thank you. we move on to new york. excellente washington. this is on the policy. let's switch parties. nancy pelosi, does her term start sooner if there is a shutdown? thethe congress comes in at beginning of january. it does not start sooner. charge,congress is in the old majority in both houses is in charge of the current negotiation

. >> let me get the numbers on the screen, with john lawrence who served with nancy losey. ,epublicans, (202) 748-8001 democrats, (202) 748-8000, .ndependents, (202) 748-8002 there are 32 democrats. who voted no. and the caucus meeting to put her forward as speaker. how does she get those 32? suggest i'mt me to familiar with what she is doing at the moment. but i watched her over years. work with members who had problems with legislation, strategy, making sure factions in the caucus were represented and formulation of legislation. the way she does it is retail politics. she sits and talks to people and different groups within the caucus. she brought in some of those negative people who said there were been are problems voting for her and she turned them around. the problem solvers caucus. she said you want reform, we can do that. part of her job is to have everyone understand the nature of politics, of coalition politics is give-and-take. we campaign and poetry but govern in rpose --prose. what she had to say in the halls of congress -- that is what we need. it was a conversation. -- w

losey and schumer meeting with the president. it was a little uncomfortable in terms of the discussions going on. kevin: and that was sort of the ad hoc press availability where nancyosi and chuck schumer said, we could take this is saying, i trump will own this shutdown. it was some pretty remarkable political theater. one of the interesting thing here, speaking of nancy pelosi that i would love to get your insight on, now president trump is going to have a foe in the way that he has not had in congress until this point. a foe with some teeth. kevin: i think nancy pelosi really illustrated her political aptitude in the sense of how she was able to orchestrate not one, not only becoming the likely new speaker of the house, but two, bridging the gap between progressives and centrists, a theme that will follow the 2020 congressional cycle ahead. that also said, the president has had a long relationship with the senate majority leader chuck schumer, given the new york geography. all of this comes at a time in which the president faces a much different political forecast and the moving parts of all of these political dominoes are also want a collision course with the m