programs to deal with medical liability issues, that the ama -- they want caps, but the president, nancy nielsen, said she did not expect him to support caps. it is different than president bush. it is a tough go politically, no matter who is in office, but the president is saying he is going to look at. it is a break from his predecessors, but what he said yesterday was not anything new, so it's sort of remains to be seen as to how comprehensive or aggressive of a plan he will support or put forward. so we will have to see. host: is it fair to say that no matter what type of health care legislation does pass, it is going to be doctors determining that its success or not? guest: they are going to have a big role. there are folks who believe that doctors are big alligators, meaning that if your doctor does not -- are big but alligatovali, that they either need the ama to say they support this waor just not to work against it. i think president obama went to chicago yesterday because he wants to get their support, and the house and senate are doing a lot to try to entice changing the medicare form